What makes Joker & Kendrick Lamar great art

Great works of philosophical or intellectual
art tend to share one enduring theme: they seek to explore people’s deepest convictions
in a way that provokes challenging questions. In this way, the artist channels his own internal
strife in his work. The complexity of human beings means that
great art should include their inner-struggle, and incorporates their flaws and blind-spots. Once touched by ideology, that work becomes
discernibly one-dimensional. From a technical standpoint it can still be
of high-quality, but it lacks the necessary component that ensures all people across time
can feel its message. Many people will think to themselves, rightly,
that not every artistic endeavour has to achieve this level of meaning. Clearly, things can be enjoyable just for
the sake of being enjoyable. A work of literature can be enjoyed on the
basis of its storytelling, a work of music for its thoughtful lyricism and well-crafted
production, and movies for their cinematography, acting and scripting. Similarly, politically propagandistic works
can be enjoyed on those same grounds. While shallow art produces something that
looks a lot like a simulation stocked with lifeless non-player characters, the great
artist wants to produce a world that feels alive-a world that is grand and morally complex. In order for such a world to feel alive, though,
the characters couldn’t be one dimensionally good or bad. They must undergo personal struggles as well
as mortal uncertainty, and the subject they are attempting to tackle should be seen through
the same prism of complexity. The answers and resolutions are not obvious
to the viewer or even the artist themselves. Even esteemed politically driven authors like
Orwell explained the difficulty in surpassing the simply political and reaching beyond for
something of psychological depth. He writes, “looking back through my work,
I see that it is invariably where I lacked a political purpose that I wrote lifeless
books and was betrayed into purple passages, sentences without meaning, decorative adjectives
and humbug generally…” For most, the political can be a powerful
motivator. It’s not just a set of ideas, but an identity,
and that loyalty to your identity clearly drives people to more bizarre acts than writing
a book. The rarity of artists capable of serious philosophizing,
though, is directly proportional to how many works of that caliber there are–which are
seriously few. If someone so high-attaining and worthy of
praise as Orwell can’t write without a political motivation, all that does is speak to the
temptation. Not only can political art be good, the political
statement itself can also be right–but it still prevents it from being truly great on
an existential level. The politics of the day change, but our shared
psychological conditions and inner conflicts don’t. And this concept, of course, isn’t restrained
to literature. Rap is a subject that, as we’ve talked about
extensively, can often capture this sentiment perfectly. Power, referenced in a previous 1791 piece,
saw Kanye struggling against his hypocrisies and runaway egoism, while offering a very
nuanced commentary on fame’s perils. On a similarly self-reflective level, listeners
can turn to Kendrick Lamar’s Blacker The Berry. Though Kendrick Lamar is often driven by the
same political ideals most in his industry hold, in this track he grasps at something
beyond the purely political and while many of his usual fans reacted angrily, this is
when Lamar reaches towards the transcendent. So don’t matter how much I say I like to preach
with the Panthers Or tell Georgia State “Marcus Garvey got all
the answers” Or try to celebrate February like it’s my
B-Day Or eat watermelon, chicken and Kool-Aid on
weekdays Or jump high enough to get Michael Jordan
endorsements Or watch BET cause urban support is important
So why did I weep when Trayvon Martin was in the street? When gang banging make me kill a nigga blacker
than me? Hypocrite! Many within his political tribe reflexively
saw this as a play toward what they call “Respectability Politics,” flowing from the belief that
his self-criticism is downplaying the role of slavery in producing violence in black
communities. At first listen, it’s easy to see how his
verses could be interpreted as a political statement–in the end, it really isn’t at
all. He explains that wasn’t his aim and reveals
it was a matter of expressing his own internal conflicts, rooted in his own experience. Abandoning the
one dimensionally political makes it understandably
human and, as a result, a wellspring of meaning. Now we can contrast Blacker The Berry, which
deals with the crisis of violence that black communities are gripped by, with a song that
tries to tackle the same subject–but from the vantage of an ideologue. This Is America sees Donald Glover in his
rap guise of Childish Gambino. He takes on the role of a shirtless, crazed,
shuckin-and-jivin Jesus. At first, all seems well: Gambino is dancing
blithely to the backdrop of a guitar. Progressively, the picture-perfect image of
what the title leads us to believe America is unravels. The video is embedded with progressive allusions
in every frame. The man playing the guitar who is shot as
well as the initially blissful America devolving to slaughter are just a couple of examples
that are pretty obviously meant to exemplify the black experience through a filter of social
justice. Those who agree with Glover’s ideology will
gawk at the tragedy of it all. It parallels and references Jordan Peele’s
Get Out, an equally ideological work. A plot that holds up the eyeroll that is widely
believed to be clever, Get Out turns the white guilt-driven identity politics on its white
liberal advocates. While Lamar in Blacker The Berry honestly
explores his inner conflicts, both Peele’s and Glover’s one-dimensional thinking only
manages to produce an onslaught of ideological talking points dressed up as artistic expression. The NPC meme has taken off for a reason, and
it is probably because it accurately satirizes those who find something so unoriginal and
contrived in its message so profound. You can appreciate its musical quality and
visual technicality, but that doesn’t alter its stale message and overall purposelessness. Ultimately, Glover’s music video is an opportunistic
affectation meant to exploit progressive trends–it isn’t his reality. Glover went to NYU, whereas Kendrick Lamar
was raised on the streets of Compton. That’s a reason Glover’s attempt to make
art on this topic falls dreadfully short of hitting the same note of emotional and moral
complexity–and why it skated by to uniform ideological praise, rather than the kinds
of criticism Kendrick faced. The internet’s most prominent music reviewer
talks at length about this insecurity-driven appropriation that drives Glover’s work:
https://youtu.be/EGFCKb5PfDA?t=148 In a similar way, Childish Gambino’s superficial
portrait of human struggle can be seen in the domain literature as well. For example, Ayn Rand, a politically driven
author, wrote several books using this same shallow style. In her book the Fountainhead, Howard Roark
is the clear hero, always embodying the ideal without fail, and Ellsworth Toohey is the
morally unambiguous villain. Toohey is literally based on Socialist activist
Harold Laskey-written after having gone to his lectures, and even changing his appearance
to mirror the actual man. Socialism is obviously a villainous ideology,
but her efforts throughout all of her fiction were not to reflect the persuasive psychology
that motivates the people that adhere to it, but rather to dismantle it. As a piece of political propaganda, this is
effective–and her argument is correct. But it doesn’t set out with the same ambition
of achieving great philosophical depth. One of the few authors who accomplished this
great achievement would be 19th century Russian author Fyodor Dostoevsky, who, if anything,
is obsessed with the duality of man. Having been a socialist, and later a strong
Orthodox Christian, few understand human psychology as thoroughly as he. His work The Double, for instance, is driven
by the psychological aspect of man’s dual nature. But what highlights this difference best is
probably his final, and possibly most praiseworthy work, The Brothers Karamazov, which sees the
character of Alyosha pitted against his Atheistic brother Ivan. Ivan’s rationalistic and moral arguments
against God are as strong in this work as people find them to be today, and Fyodor made
no attempt to diminish this fact even though Alyosha is the protagonist and represents
his deeply held religious convictions. Alyosha was depicted, despite the author’s
own beliefs, as being the inferior debater. The beauty of this move is that it allows
his position to be strengthened the more it is battered by a seemingly stronger argument. This crafting of morally complex landscapes
can be seen as well in acclaimed graphic novels like the The Killing Joke, and the film The
Dark Knight. In The Killing Joke, Batman represents one
set of moral ideals–fundamentally summarized as a belief in good, and the Joker another,
that there is no such thing and that anyone is just “one bad day” from falling into
the throes of evil. Joker’s argument is perhaps convincing,
no matter how sympathetic nearly all of us are to the idea of absolute good. It ends on a note of ambiguity, where we aren’t
sure if Batman gives in to Joker’s nihilistic worldview by snapping his neck–hence, “The
Killing Joke.” The point of this is to display how obviously
villainous ideas are depicted with as much weight and persuasion as they realistically
have, driving the reader, listener, or what have you to question their own values. Two other parallels to rap can be made: Joyner
Lucas’s popular but somewhat controversial track I’m Not Racist, as well as Kanye West’s
Ye Vs. The People. The first saw a stereotypical depiction of
Trump’s fat quasi-racist supporters struggling against an equally stereotyped dreadlocked
black man. Though his depiction of the Trump supporter
was intentionally unsympathetic, the fact that he made a few convincing arguments made
that irrelevant to many of its critics. It seemingly humanized his position when,
after emotionally expressing their respective sides’ point of view, they hugged it out. It was essentially put down for engaging in
“Respectability Politics”… which you might recall being a point of criticism against
Kendrick Lamar. At the core of those who evoke the idea of
“respectability politics” is an ideological hostility to serious engagement with uncomfortable
disagreements. Naturally for many, this level of self-reflection
is exhausting. The very idea that our difficulties can be
resolved through dialogue itself apologizes for the position they oppose, according to
this line of thinking. It doesn’t matter if that position is held
by someone on the left or the right, even if it’s obviously most often the latter. Art that attempts heartfelt, genuine thought
of human issues runs afoul of this ideology, which makes it one of its targets. That is the central point Kanye West strives
to make in his spur-of-the-moment rap battle with T.I. Kanye is clearly not a political actor. He has only ever tried, and succeeded, to
make meaningful music that uplifts his listeners. That’s what motivated tracks like Jesus
Walks and Ultralight Beam. It is likewise what motivates him to write
lyrics such as: “I know everybody emotional
Is it better if I rap about crack? Huh? ‘Cause it’s cultural? Or how about I’ma shoot you? Or fuck your bitch? Or how about all this Gucci, ’cause I’m fuckin’
rich?” A lyric like this reflects on what has and
always will drive Kanye to write music–it is in’t political, it is meaningful and
often self-contradicting. Sometimes, but rarely, those two motivations
coincide. Nevertheless, the political will always run
secondary to philosophical depth. Almost everyone will see that Kanye is by
no means perfectly spoken, but what can be seen in spite of his mistakes is that his
efforts are motivated by a sincere conviction to address his critics with honesty and to
grasp at something he likely doesn’t fully understand–as nearly every true artist does
in one way or another. Only when he was pushed by a political ideologue
in the direction of mouthing political talking points similar to Gambino did his authenticity
and impact fall into question. Candace Owens, spokeshole of Turning Point
USA, foolishly believed that she could exploit his celebrated artistic career to sell political
merchandise. Naturally, Kanye objected, and pulled away
from politics altogether, which was never his motivating impulse to begin with. It only became his motivation when he saw
grave dysfunction and a bullying bias within the political sphere. And despite being well integrated in an obviously
left-wing musical and entertainment culture, he was able to identify his conflicting feelings
on the issues surrounding the black community as did Kendrick Lamar in Blacker The Berry. Thinking is itself struggle, while nothing
is more self-assured than ideology. When it comes to ideology, the positions have
already been thought up for you and are assorted neatly, not having to be seriously thought
through. Ultimately, if your work aims to talk directly
about the human condition, it should reflect the reality that you don’t have all of the
information, and that your perspective isn’t absolute. This is what strikes at the core of the human
condition. Short of that, you have little more than a
work of well crafted propaganda, that leaves your target audience in thrall, because they
haven’t heard anything they wouldn’t have elsewhere. And the ability to introspect this honestly
is a rare quality, which is why this type of art is only very rarely created and encountered. Spanning every domain of art, this can be
seen and few artists have achieved this feat.

Maurice Vega

100 Responses

  1. This video is ironic (lol) is seems to me you are letting your ideology blur the video’s analysis by being ironically and I think unintentionally yet critically one sided to the point where you are letting your own view on a work of art effect your explanations. I don’t think I’m going to give you a chance and watch anymore of your videos because if your by any chance doing this on purpose it is propaganda and I think that’s a shame because you seem to have valuable views and seem smart but you are tainted

  2. The opening to this video resonates with me so much, when I first started rapping my ideas we’re very one dimensional and straight forward due to my beliefs and ideology. But the further I explored music and myself I found controversy and conflicting emotions on certain topics which forced me to look at problems or situations in a different light.

  3. Jesus Christ u have a beautiful mind bruh! I need more of this pronto. It's so hard to find good music breakdowns that also make u feel intellectually fulfilled

  4. 9:58 ….wait, y’all do know Childish is actually from the hood, right? His insecurity with himself is gained from growing up in that environment and not fitting in, in general. He is basically complaining about not being one of the cool kids/“normal” kids except in black culture the term is rather pejoratively called “not being black enough”. He said it a lot because he was reminded of it a lot.

  5. This is America was supposed to a superficial talking point. It’s why the video has such clusterfuck of references to everything and nothing. It’s why the music starts with an African gospel vibe and the switches gear hard into trap Grime percussion. It’s why his lyrics sound like (and are occasionally quite literally) a generic trap pop hit mad lib sessions that only makes sense in pieces and is English rhythmic gibberish when put together.

  6. To whom is the quote around the 16 min mark ("Thinking is itself struggle, while nothing is more assured than ideology") attributed?

  7. I think it’s pretty funny he used an old video of TheNeedleDrop to speak on the shortcomings of Childish Gambino, when present day he praises his music and especially This Is America for being great and an evolution of what Gambino used to be. Seems to be a poor support for the argument.

  8. Just sayin, Fantano gave ‘This is America’ the #1 Best song of the year. It seems a little misrepresentative to simply give one weird video of him roasting Gambino from 2011. He clearly no longer thinks this way. Anyways, I liked parts of this videos, hated others.

  9. The best song on this topic and that I feel would've provided a great counter point is "White Privilege" by Macklemore

  10. 'likewise political propaganda can be enjoyed in the same way'.. SHADE!! also i need this intro music for when i begin working on my magnum opus

  11. Donald Glover grew up in Atlanta. He heard that he "wasn't black enough" coming up alot in that community. The fact he made it to NYU wasn't guarenteed. Everyone IN the culture supports him. Don't assassinate his character to people who will never look in any further. Y'all cornball bitches should keep rap out ya mouth 💯

  12. Interesting, i have a song with kendrick lamar's labelmate/big bro Jayrock
    these niggas are legends in the making.b I might make a video on my experience working with Jayrock

  13. so punk with the potential to sccamble thoughclusters of others to be rearanged anew is no meaningful art in itself? isnt duality something to accept not to understand

  14. This is very true. Real art is complex and meaningful and not fake or superficial. It is to share our struggle in our emotions and/or cognition to others by sight. Its not all aesthetics. The way you explain it and present it is just phenomenal.

  15. Amazing video. I love how independent people are capable of such incredibly beautiful things. Can you imagine this kind of content being played on mainstream TV? Unfortunately I can't. Nothing but propaganda.

    If people started reflecting on their own existence, what drives them and what it actually is that they want, society would be very different..

  16. every time i watch one of your videos i come out more prepared more awake its like im waking up from a bad dream but i never went to sleep in the first place in layman's terms that's some deep shit.

  17. 8:50 Bruh, you understand you talked about This Is America. Then you add a review of camp. Those on the fence of the culture are seen as trying to one up both sides. When in reality. Neither side will accept them for their mind and what they are. Bad work. Bad work. If you don’t understand, raise your colored(or Mexican) child in a white neighborhood and then see how they react when you put them with hood kids, or Spanish speaking kids respectively. The child is a middleman.

  18. Kendrick's works are so nuanced and complex and tells his honest experience and ideas, and that alone makes him one of the greatest contemporary artists to date. His works are not one dimensional, and his rapping prowess is on another level.

  19. I usually can't listen to rap music. It just doesn't appeal to me. I listened to "I am not racist." and "blacker the berry." and they're now in my list of songs I quietly enjoy for the messages. They're actually incredible.

  20. It's so fucking hard to focus on what you're saying whe you're distracting me with some Avant Garde Vaporwave bullshit as visuals. Seriously my eyes can only handle so much color.

  21. Get Out is breaking new ground for horror films and besides that its social commentary doubling as ACTUAL important plot points is arguably genius. The uncomfortability expressed in the early parts of the film is something that not only black people experience. Jordan Peele knows that your skin colour does affect how you feel and interact with a group that you are not homogeneous to. Asian people feel this, even within each other's different cultures.
    White people also feel this when they are dropped in a similar situation as the protagonist of Get Out.

  22. idk. i thought childish gambino's this is america was pretty good, despite disagreeing with some of what it was saying.

  23. Hi, big Kendrick stan here to tell you how this video is wrong.

    The whole message behind TPAB is self worth. Kendrick is saying the reason blacks are killing each other is because they do not respect nor love one another & themselves. The reason they don't is because of systematic oppression. The pain and suffering they go through causes them to turn to a life of crime and violence; the environment they are surrounded by. It's impossible to be yourself when you do not love yourself. They get consumed by their environment.

    Throughout the album, Kendrick talks about his rise to fame, his misuse of his influence, his suicidal thoughts, his feeling of being institutionalized (ghetto), his views on the pursuit of wealth, politics, and his "coming home" (trip to Africa that showed him how he was going down the wrong path).

    Everything he talked about was to show everyone how he is just like you. He goes through the same trials and tribulations as everyone else. Regardless of his success, he still is held accountable for his actions. Whether that be his greed, selfishness, or other things that tempt him; he is still human and he suffers at the hand of god.

    That being said, the concept of blacker the berry is, yes, to self reflect and be the change you want to see in the world. But this comes towards the end of the album. It is intended to be heard right after you hear Complexion, which is a song about embracing and loving who you are. Kendrick even says in complexion, "beauty is what you make it. I used to be so mistaken by different shades and faces." Kendrick used to not love his own complexion. He was not proud to be black. Coming to the conclusion of blacker the berry cannot be done without complexion. You must love yourself first.

    Furthermore, the track following blacker the berry is titled "you ain't gotta lie". This track is about how those who do not love themselves and are insecure are constantly trying to fit in and be someone they are not. You ain't gotta lie to kick it. You don't have to gang bang.

    Kendrick then finishes the album off with an interview with the one and only Tupac (who preached all of these sentiments long before Kendrick) and a poem about a caterpillar (impoverished black kid in America) attempting to fit in and survive. On his journey to success, however, he learns to love himself and adopts a newfound perspective. Thus transforming him into the butterfly (successful and wise black man). "Although the caterpillar and butterfly are different, they are one in the same."

    TPAB is meant to be listened to as an album, not a playlist. It is a meditation on self worth. Blacker the berry shows the hypocrisy of the black community, but the album gives an explanation on why they feel that way, and then provides a solution.

    The media loves to use big words and misuse context. Anybody who has listened to this whole album could see the lack of context provided.

    And since we are on the topic of Kendrick, I would love to see this channel do a video on How Much a Dollar Cost 🤗

  24. Calling Get Out or This Is America useless or contrived is fundamentally misunderstanding their purpose in the horror genre. That's like calling The Shining or The Exorcist uselss or contrived. They derive from the same horrific visualization of trauma. That trauma has a different shape, color, and feel from person to person.

  25. Few books capture this better than the two iconic works from CS Lewis:
    (1) The Great Divorce
    (2) The Screwtape Letters

    If you haven't read either of these, do so. They are uniquely profound in how CS Lewis is able to identify fundamental truths of particular spiritual realities and then demonstrates how they manifest in the human experience, specifically in ways that are existentially relatable to the reader.

  26. damn, this channel really sucks its own dick huh. Real subtle there at 1:16 with the channel logo floating in the background of the "good art" representation after the "1D" art representation with the fighting NPCs. ironic considering how you mention that ideology flattens artistic expression at the start of the video. but it's usually those who think themselves free from ideology who are most susceptible to it's wiles.

  27. This entire video is an attempt to frame your own implied ideology as unideological. The history of Ideology Theory supports the concept that no ideology is unideological, but rather one so entrenched that you cannot see it.

  28. I thought Get Out was an incredible film, but any time I tried to talk about it with someone, they wanted to bring up those talking points that the movie was meant to create. Sucks man.

  29. Wonderful video! It successfully highlights the spirit of profound dialogue our societies truly need and lack.

  30. I do think that your definition of good art is limited. It is true that art in the form of realism needs to show multiple perspectives and show why the chosen position is correct or only showing the ambiguity of the problem, leaving no given solution to the reader(thus representing dualities and such), but only considering that as good art is ignorant. It is not a problem if your preferences lean more towards realism, but presenting good art as objectively just that ignores anything close to the abstract or the abstract itself.

  31. i think you missed the mark on childish gambino, i dont think thats a correct example. i mean the use of blatant imagery analog or metaphors in the video is one thing but the tune always felt like a really pure abstraction of that world of thought re gun violence black america bla bla bla, kind of a novel approach to something that is otherwise quite rote, and i think blacker the berry is absolutely more rote, at least, in comparison so im not sure why you say this. it's practically a song full of ad libbing, there isnt much in the way of a coherent obvious narrative where blacker the berry is so obviously an internal dialogue back and forth (which to be fair allows for quite free expression itself, im not trying to say blacker berry is cringe. come on guys

  32. Yea hate&love always been here never going end even after death…
    Until Robots take over and the last human is gone- Artwork for AI in the future thousands years from now…

  33. Right on, this is such an important thing to understand about art, yet few seem to grasp it. I'd add on Orwell — he is a brilliant essayist. He wrote a handful of great novels, but that doesn't mean they were great art — if you remove the political commentary from Animal Farm, you are not left with a stirring farmyard drama. He wrote essays in the superficial format of novels.

    As you point out, for a great novel to work as art, it needs to come from a place deeper than politics. Politics is firmly in the realm of the already expressed — art aims to hint at the inexpressible.

  34. I think you have achieved this feat. At least I hope so. I consider these videos to be a form of art so why not.

  35. Have been subbed for a while, but I came back for this video. Im a musician, and music is everything to me. You guys worded this video so perfectly. Same with the Shapiro response about rap. I hope to see you guys around for a while. You guys are great writers, these videos are gold

  36. Brilliant. Glover’s a spoiled dumpster fire. Why would being a victim be cool? What is “not black enough?” All media driven trash.

  37. Trump supporters don't care about race, they are opposed to the ideological bullying identitarian censorious authoritarian left, to identity politics, to cancel culture, to socialism, to those who knowingly depict them as quasi or total racists for the purpose of scaring people who have been the target of racism or discrimination in their lives, to the people who say "you'll only be safe with the democrats in power, we protect marginalized groups, all conservatives are racist homopobic trans phobic bigots, but not us, just give us power and we'll give you free stuff, just give up your free speech and your right to self preservation and we will protect you from the mean words and people who want to hurt you and your family", and to the ivory tower journos who dig up every post someone has ever made to destroy their career and ostracize them from society but cry foul when it's done to them, it's called media journalism, to the people who think it's their job to tell you what to think and how to feel instead of presenting all the facts and truthful information and letting you make up your own mind, to the people who think they are better than all of us and that they know what's best so we should just shut up and get with the program,
    supporting Trump has nothing to do with race or any arbitrary characteristic, it's taking a chance supporting someone who is not the establishment because the establishment has failed us all. So when I see establishment media saying somone is so terrible all the time, using evidence that's debunked under the slightest scrutiny, I have to wonder, why are they so invested in this? Is it because they are just so upright and virtuous?
    Why have I caught them telling obvious lies over and over?
    Think for yourself.

  38. I was trying to listen to this in the background, nope, can't do it. Your videos are on an entirely different level.

  39. Recombinatory Complexity gave us our brain, and what do we find in science, a Recombinatory frequency at meiosis of 22 to 24. Mutation about 2.

  40. Very enjoyable video.

    I'd just like to say, I don't know anything about Kendrick Lamar, but the lyrics you analysed made me think what he meant… that he's done bad stuff and is realising that. It's interesting how people seemed to take it..

    Also, so much yes about Ayn Rand.

  41. Batman doesn’t snap the Joker’s neck in The Killing Joke. That happens in The Dark Knight Returns. A graphic novel released in the late 1980’s actually right before The Killing Joke.

  42. Fantastic. As an artist who is rarely satisfied with his work, I totally feel this.
    I feel my art only has true depth and quality when it doesn't reflect the world outside, but my inner experiences instead.
    Lately my attention has been drawn too much to the world outside and has shifted away from my inner experience:
    It's because inside I have very difficult emotional, moral and intellectual struggles going on and quite frankly those inner struggles are the seventh circle of hell.
    So I've been seeking distraction from that inner hellfire in the world outside.

    It is only when I have a moment of inner peace that I can reflect on those inner struggles in a calm and clear way; And only then can I turn them into great musical and visual art that really reflects those inner struggles and complexities.

    This may just be the very best video I've ever seen on youtube. Make more content, 1791. Your channel is gold.

  43. Dostoevsky is so great, He's tops, CS Lewis my favorite of all time. Breakdown the abolition of Man by CS Lewis,
    How shall we then live by Francis Schaeffer. As or more relevant to the times then 1984 or Brave New World, it doesn't have to be one of the other it could be a mix of both, or hints of both but there's still a greater truth that those diverge off of.

  44. Kendrick talked about how blacker the berry was all about him for 3 minutes and then you said it was his conflicting feelings on the black community? Am I missing something

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