The National for Sept. 12, 2019 — First Debate, U.S. Politics, Vaping Fears


*)>>Adrienne: TONIGHT… THE FIRST DEBATE.>>Andrew: BUT NOT ALL OF THE LEADERS TAKE THE STAGE.>>The Hon. Andrew Scheer: I THINK THAT –>>Andrew: A FIRST LOOK AT THE CHALLENGERS AND FACT-CHECKING AND A LIBERAL PROMISE. AND ROSEMARY WITH THE “AT ISSUE” PANEL.>>SUB-QUALITY INVESTIGATION.>>Adrienne: IN THE U.S. A BABY STEP TOWARDS IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS.>>Andrew: FEARS ABOUT VAPING.>>IT JUST TASTES GOOD.>>Andrew: THE EVIDENCE IS MOUNTING. IS CANADA KEEPING UP?>>Adrienne: AND SHE WON OLYMPIC GOLD TWICE FOR CANADA, EVEN CARRIED THE FLAG. SO WHY DOES KAILLIE HUMPHRIES WANT TO COMPETE FOR THE UNITED STATES?>>>THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” (*)>>Andrew: IT’S A DAY OF FIRSTS IN THIS FEDERAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN. THE FIRST DEBATE TONIGHT AFTER THE FIRST FULL DAY OF CAMPAIGNING. FROM THE WEST COAST TO ONTARIO, THE MAIN PARTY LEADERS WERE OUT SHAKING HANDS, HOLDING PHOTO-OPS AND DODGING CURVEBALLS. WE’LL HEAD TO OUR REPORTERS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL IN JUST A MOMENT. BUT, ROSIE, WE START WITH MOST OF THE LEADERS IN ATTACK MODE TONIGHT?>>Rosemary: YEAH, WE’LL TAKE YOU THROUGH ALL OF THAT, ANDREW. BUT AT THIS FIRST DEBATE MUCH OF THE FOCUS IS WHO DIDN’T SHOW UP. AND TODAY IT WAS JUSTIN TRUDEAU WHO OPTED TO STAY OUT ON THE TRAIL TODAY. FOR THOSE WHO DID ATTEND THIS IS THE IMAGE THEY’D LIKE YOU TO REMEMBER — THE EMPTY PODIUM. BUT AS SALIMAH SHIVJI REPORTS, THEY THINK THERE’S A STRATEGY FOR THAT.>>The Hon. Jagmeet Singh: GOOD TO SEE YOU? YOU OKAY?>>Reporter: AFTER A COUPLE OF QUICK CAMPAIGN STOPS IN THE EARLY MORNING, THE THREE PARTY LEADERS HUNKERED DOWN FOR MORE LAST-MINUTE PREP AND WAITING TO HIT THIS STAGE.>>The Hon. Jagmeet Singh: WE KNOW WITH TAXES — MR. SCHEER’S TAX CUTS. THE TAX CUTS TO THE WEALTHIEST.>>Elizabeth May: MR. SCHEER HAS THE SAME BALANCE FOR BUDGETS.>>Reporter: ANDREW SCHEER IS AIMING TO LOOK CALM AND IN CHARGE. JAGMEET SINGH WHO SPENT WEEKS PREPARING.>>The Hon. Jagmeet Singh: I BELIEVE THAT IT HAS TO BE DIFFERENT AND WE CAN DO IT DIFFERENTLY.>>Reporter: ALL FOCUSED ON ONE GLARING ABSENCE.>>The Hon. Andrew Scheer: I THINK THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS AFRAID OF HIS RECORD AND THAT’S WHY HE’S NOT HERE TONIGHT.>>Elizabeth May: WE CAN AGREE ON THAT.>>Reporter: JUSTIN TRUDEAU SITTING IT OUT WAS A PRIME TARGET BEFORE THE DEBATES STARTED.>>The Hon. Jagmeet Singh: MR. TRUDEAU HAS NOT SHOWN UP FOR FOUR YEARS. AND HE’S NOT SHOWING UP TO THIS DEBATE.>>The Hon. Andrew Scheer: IF I WERE HIM I WOULD BE AFRAID TO SHOW UP TO THIS AS WELL. I THINK THAT CANADIANS WILL READ INTO THAT THE PRIME MINISTER WAS AFRAID OF HIS OWN RECORD. [Applause]>>Reporter: BUT WILL THEY? TRUDEAU IS BANKING ON “NO” AND CHOOSING TO PLAY OFFENSE, THREE STOPS IN THREE RIDINGS THAT HE HOPES THAT HIS PARTY CAN STEAL. TAKING ADVANTAGE TO ANNOUNCE MORE HELP FOR FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS IN CITIES WHERE THE MARKET IS HOT.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: OWNING A HOUSE SHOULD BE A REALISTIC LIFE GOAL.>>Reporter: STAYING AWAY IS ALSO STRATEGIC CAUTION, SOME SAY.>>TRUDEAU KNOWS THAT HE COULD BE ATTACKED AND THE LIBERALS WANT TO PROTECT THEIR LEADER A LITTLE BIT.>>Reporter: WHEN PRESSED TRUDEAU POINTEDLY TALKED ABOUT THE DEBATES HE’S GOING TO ATTEND ATTEND. TWO OFFICIAL ONES AND AN EXTRA IN FRENCH.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: VERY HAPPY TO BE CONTINUING TO TALK WITH CANADIANS AND, OF COURSE, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEBATE AGAINST MY FELLOW LEADERS IN THE THREE OCCASIONS THAT WE’LL BE DOING IN THIS CAMPAIGN.>>Reporter: THAT’S WHAT TRUDEAU IS BETTING ON — THAT THE VOTERS AREN’T YET PAYING THAT MUCH ATTENTION AND WILL FORGET ABOUT THIS ONE. HOPING THAT SKIPPING THIS FIRST DEBATE WON’T BE INTERPRETED AS IF HE’S AFRAID OF THE SCRUTINY. SALIMAH SHIVJI, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Rosemary: SO BACK TO THOSE CAMPAIGN STOPS. WHAT WERE THEY ALL ABOUT TODAY? WE HAVE REPORTERS TRAVELLING WITH TRUDEAU, SCHEER AND SINGH.>>Reporter: I’M KATIE SIMPSON IN DOWNTOWN TORONTO. CONSERVATIVE LEADER ANDREW SCHEER WANTED TO SPEND HIS DAY ATTACKING JUSTIN TRUDEAU FOR SKIPPING TONIGHT’S DEBATE. INSTEAD, HE WAS ON THE DEFENSIVE, KNOCKED OFF MESSAGE BY A STRATEGIC ATTACK FROM THE LIBERALS. SCHEER HAD A PHOTO-OP WITH HIS CANDIDATE RUNNING IN THE TORONTO RIDING OF YORK CENTRE. ABOUT AN HOUR BEFORE THE EVENT, THE LIBERALS TWEETED A VIDEO FROM 2017 OF THAT CANDIDATE ECSTATICALLY ADVOCATING FOR THE ANTI-ABORTION MOVEMENT. SCHEER WAS FORCED AGAIN TO STATE THAT HE WOULD NOT RE-OPEN THE ABORTION DEBATE. AND HIS CANDIDATE, RACHEL WILSON, HAD TO DISTANCE HERSELF FROM THE COMMENTS THOUGH SHE WOULDN’T DIRECTLY ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHETHER SHE MIGHT BRING FORWARD AN ABORTION BILL IF SHE WINS.>>Reporter: I’M HANNAH THIBEDEAU ALSO IN TORONTO BUT COVERING THE N.D.P. JAGMEET SINGH STARTED DAY TWO IN NEARBY BRAMPTON. ALL FIVE RIDINGS IN THAT AREA ARE CURRENTLY HELD BY THE LIBERALS, BUT SINGH IS HOPING TO MAKE INROADS. IT’S AN AREA THAT HE HAS ROOTS IN, PERSONALLY AND PROFESSIONALLY, AS A FORMER M.P.P. AT A NEWSER BEHIND SINGH, A ROW OF PEOPLE SYMBOLIZING CANADIANS WAITING IF LINE FOR HEALTH CARE SERVICES. AND HE SAYS IF HE BECOMES P.M. HE’D TRY TO BUILD A NEW HOSPITAL IN BRAMPTON. ALTHOUGH HE DID ADMIT THAT IT COULD BE A DIFFICULT TASK SINCE HOSPITALS ARE A PROVINCIAL JURISDICTION AND HE WOULD BE DEALING WITH CONSERVATIVE PREMIER DOUG FORD. HE REITERATED THAT HE WOULD PROVIDE PRESCRIPTION DRUG COVERAGE FOR ALL CANADIANS BY NEXT YEAR AND WOULD BE WILLING TO LOOK AT EXPANDING THAT CRITERIA FOR PEOPLE WAITING TO ACCESS DOCTOR-ASSISTED DYING. (*)>>Reporter: I’M DAVID COCHRANE WITH THE LIBERAL CAMPAIGN IN EDMONTON, WHERE JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS GOING TO HAVE TO WORK HARD TO HOLD ON TO THE M.P.s HE HAS IN THE FACE OF RISING VOTER ANGER HERE IN ALBERTA. BUT THIS RALLY IS BEING HELD IN AN ALBERTA RIDING THAT THE LIBERALS DO NOT HOLD THAT THEY THINK THEY CAN WIN. IT’S EDMONTON-STRATHCONA, AND THE INCUMBENT M.P. IS NOT RUNNING AGAIN. NOW TRUDEAU STARTED HIS DAY ON VANCOUVER ISLAND, WITH A PROMISE TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO BUY THEIR FIRST HOMES AND IN EXPENSIVE REAL ESTATE MARKETS LIKE VANCOUVER ISLAND, VANCOUVER AND THE GREATER TORONTO AREA. THOSE AREN’T JUST HOT REAL ESTATE MARKETS BUT THEY’RE ALSO KEY BATTLEGROUNDS IN AN ELECTION THAT IS ALL ABOUT THE COST OF LIVING.>>Rosemary: TRUDEAU’S PLAN TO EXPAND THE FIRST-TIME HOME BUYER INCENTIVE PROGRAMME SO THAT PEOPLE WITH BIGGER MORTGAGES CAN QUALIFY TOO. HE ALSO ANNOUNCED A PLAN TO DEAL WITH SPECULATION BY FOREIGN BUYERS THAT IS DRIVING UP PRICES IN SOME MARKETS. THROUGH THE CAMPAIGN, CBC NEWS WILL WILL LOOK AT THE CLAIMS THAT THE LEADERS MAKE ON THE TRAILS AND EVAN DYER STARTS WITH THAT ONE.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: WE WILL ALSO INTRODUCE A MODEST 1% ANNUAL TAX ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES OWNED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CANADIAN AND DO NOT LIVE IN CANADA. WE HAVE SEEN FROM BRITISH COLUMBIA’S EXAMPLE THAT EVEN A MODEST TAX CAN HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON SPECULATION, FOREIGN SPECULATION IN HOUSING MARKETS. (*)>>Reporter: JUSTIN TRUDEAU CHOSE B.C., CANADA’S TIGHTEST HOUSING MARKET, TO MAKE HIS ANNOUNCEMENT ON A NEW TAX AIMED AT FOREIGN SPECULATORS. IT’S ALSO THE PLACE THAT ROAD TESTED A SIMILAR TAX STARTING LAST YEAR. AND AS LUCK WOULD HAVE IT, GAVE ITS FIRST PROGRESS REPORT TODAY.>>THE TAX IS WORKING AS WE INTENDED. IT IS, IN FACT, TARGETING SPECULATORS, PEOPLE LIVING OUTSIDE OF BRITISH COLUMBIA AND IT’S ALSO HELPING TO ENCOURAGE HOMES TO BE USED TO HOUSE PEOPLE.>>Reporter: B.C. SAYS THAT IT’S COLLECTING MORE MONEY FROM THE TAX THAN THEY EXPECTED TO. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY B.C. CALCULATES THE DROP IN AVERAGE HOUSE PRICES OF MORE THAN 5.5%. BUT NOT EVERYONE IS CONVINCED THAT SOMETHING SIMILAR SHOULD HAPPEN EVERYWHERE IN CANADA.>>WE WOULD WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THE REGIONS WOULD BE AFFECTED COAST-TO-COAST BEFORE WE COULD COME OUT AND SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHETHER THIS WILL CREATE MORE SUPPLY.>>Reporter: NOT EVERY MARKET IS RED HOT LIKE VANCOUVER OR TORONTO. THERE AREN’T MANY FOREIGN SPECULATORS LOOKING TO BUY IN MONCTON OR IN SASKATOON, SO THIS MEASURE WOULDN’T HAVE MUCH IMPACT THERE. BUT IN MARKETS THAT ARE OVERHEATED, B.C.’S EXPERIENCE SHOWS THAT THIS MODEL CAN PUT THE BRAKES ON RISING HOUSE PRICES AND EVEN ROLL THEM BACK. EVAN DYER, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Rosemary: SO ALREADY DAY TWO BUT WE’VE GOT A LOT TO TALK ABOUT WITH “AT ISSUE” TONIGHT. ANDREW, CHANTAL AND ALTHIA WILL JOIN ME IN ABOUT 15 MINUTES AND WE’LL TALK ABOUT THE FIRST DAY FROM START TO FINISH. AND FIRST BACK TO ADRIENNE WITH AN EXCLUSIVE STORY.>>Adrienne: ALL RIGHT, SO, ROSIE, CANADA IS LOSING AN OLYMPIAN. YOU CANNOT TALK ABOUT THE WINTER GAMES WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT KAILLIE HUMPHRIES, THE TWO-TIME GOLD MEDALLIST WAS THE FACE OF CANADIAN BOBSLEIGH. BUT TONIGHT WE HAVE LEARNED THAT SHE IS LEAVING TO REPRESENT THE UNITED STATES. DEVIN HEROUX SPOKE WITH HER AND SHE TELLS US WHY.>>I JUST FELT THAT MY ENVIRONMENT WASN’T SAFE FOR ME TO BE IN.>>Reporter: KAILLIE HUMPHRIES TELLS US IN A CBC NEWS EXCLUSIVE SHE NO LONGER FEELS SAFE COMPETING FOR CANADA. SHE’S ASKED TO BE RELEASED FROM THE TEAM, BUT HUMPHRIES SAYS THAT BOBSLEIGH CANADA WON’T DO IT. SO NOW SHE’S SUING. IN COURT DOCUMENTS OBTAINED BY CBC NEWS TONIGHT, HUMPHRIES ALLEGES THAT THE ORGINISATION BREACHED THEIR CONTRACT RELATING TO THEIR ATHLETE/COACH CODE OF CONDUCT. HUMPHRIES FILED A HARASSMENT COMPLAINT LAST AUGUST AND SHE’S BEEN WAITING FOR RESOLUTION BUT HAS LOST PATIENCE.>>THERE HAS BEEN NO INFORMATION PROVIDED THROUGHOUT THIS PAST YEAR ON HOW I CAN RETURN TO SPORT. I HAVE ASKED TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHAT I NEED TO DO, WHAT WOULD BE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK TO A SAFE ENVIRONMENT TO COMPETE FOR CANADA.>>Reporter: HUMPHREYS IS A THREE-TIME OLYMPIC MEDALLIST AND THE ONLY FEMALE BOBSLEDDER TO WIN BACK-TO-BACK GOLD MEDALS. SO ACCOMPLISHED, SHE WAS A CLOSING CEREMONY FLAGBEARER AT THE SOCHI OLYMPICS. HEARTBROKEN ABOUT LEAVING THE COUNTRY SHE’S ACCOMPLISHED SO MUCH FOR.>>IT’S REALLY HARD. IT’S HARD. THIS HAS BEEN — THIS HAS BEEN MY LIFE. IT’S BEEN A 15-YEAR CAREER. THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT I DREAMED OF SINCE I WAS A KID. AND NO OTHER COUNTRY HAS SUPPORTED ME SO STRONGLY. AND THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY HAVE BEEN SO GREAT.>>THE MOST DOMINANT FEMALE BOBSLEIGH PILOT…>>Reporter: AS HER BOBSLEIGH CANADA IN A STATEMENT TO CBC NEWS TONIGHT, IT SAYS “IT ABIDES BY ITS HARASSMENT AND DISCRIMINATION POLICY THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2006. OUT OF RESPECT TO ALL PARTIES INVOLVED WE WILL NOT COMMENT FURTHER ON THIS MATTER UNTIL THE PROCESS HAS BEEN COMPLETED.”>>Adrienne: SO I THINK, DEVIN, A LOT OF CANADIANS MIGHT HAVE A HARD TIME PROCESSING THIS ABOUT KAILLIE. WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?>>Reporter: WELL, ADRIENNE, FOR AS SLOW AS THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN TO THIS POINT IT’S ESCALATING. SO HUMPHRIES AND HER LEGAL TEAM HAVE GIVEN BOBSLEIGH CANADA ONE WEEK TO RELEASE HER TERRITORY TEAM. HER CITIZENSHIP IS GOING TO BE A BIG ISSUE IN ALL OF THIS. BUT NOT FOR VERY LONG — THIS SATURDAY IN SAN DIEGO SHE’S MARRYING AN AMERICAN, AND, ADRIENNE, IN ONE WEEK — TOMORROW — SHE PLANS ON BEING IN LAKE PLACID WITH TEAM U.S.A.>>Adrienne: WOW, A BIG TURNAROUND. DEVIN, THANK YOU.>>Reporter: YOU’RE WELCOME.>>Andrew: LET’S GO TO THE U.S. NOW. LAWMAKERS HAVE JUST TAKEN A STEP TOWARDS IMPEACHING DONALD TRUMP. A SET OF PROCEDURES THAT HELP THEM TO CALL AND AGGRESSIVELY QUESTION WITNESSES. IT’S JUST A STEP. BUT AFTER TAP DANCING FOR MONTHS, PAUL HUNTER EXPLAINS THAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE NOW PUT IMPEACHMENT CLEARLY ON THE AGENDA.>>Reporter: AND SO IT IS THAT CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS INTO DONALD TRUMP’S PRESIDENCY ARE SET TO ACCELERATE.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE ARE 24 AYES AND 17 NOs.>>THE AYES HAVE IT. THE RESOLUTION IS AGREED TO.>>Reporter: TODAY’S VOTE BY THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE EFFECTIVELY SETS THE RULES FOR AN EXAMINATION OF THE PRESIDENT THAT COULD LEAD TO IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS. DEMOCRATS WILL DIVE INTO ALL THINGS TRUMP, ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.>>WE WILL BEGIN NEXT WEEK AN AGGRESSIVE SERIES OF HEARINGS, INVESTIGATING ALLEGATIONS OF CORRUPTION, OBSTRUCTION, AND ABUSE OF POWER AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.>>Reporter: KEY QUESTIONS — DID TRUMP IN THE EYES OF LAWMAKERS OBSTRUCT JUSTICE? DID HE WRONGLY PAY OFF STORMY DANIELS? IS HE PROFITING FROM HIS OWN PRESIDENCY? AND WHAT ABOUT HIS CAMPAIGN’S CONTACT WITH RUSSIA DURING THE 2016 CAMPAIGN? DEPENDING ON ITS FINDINGS, THE COMMITTEE COULD RECOMMEND IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS TO THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.>>WE ARE ON OUR PATH. WHERE IT TAKES US IS WHERE WE WILL FOLLOW THE FACTS. THAT’S WHAT IT IS.>>Reporter: REPUBLICANS, MEANWHILE, ARE PUSHING BACK HARD.>>YOU KNOW, I HAVE WANTED FOR A LODGE TIME TO BE ABLE TO SAY THIS — WELCOME TO FANTASY ISLAND.>>Reporter: INSISTING THAT IT’S ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS, THAT THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO LOOK TOUGH BUT DON’T ACTUALLY WANT TRUMP IMPEACHED BECAUSE, ACCORDING TO THE POLLS, NEITHER DO MOST AMERICANS.>>THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HAS BECAME A GIANT INSTAGRAM FILTER TO MAKE IT APPEAR THAT SOMETHING IS HAPPENING THAT’S NOT.>>Reporter: NONETHELESS, THE HEARINGS WITH WHATEVER EVIDENCE COMES FORWARD, WHATEVER WITNESSES HAVE TO SAY, WILL BRING TALK OF IMPEACHMENT TO CAPITOL HILL EVER MORE FORCEFULLY. FIRST UP NEXT WEEK, TRUMP’S FORMER CAMPAIGN MANAGER COREY LEWANDOWSKI WHO EVIDENTLY SAYS THAT HE’S HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS. PAUL HUNTER, CBC NEWS, WASHINGTON.>>Andrew: AND NOW THE DEMOCRATS ARE VYING TO TAKE ON DONALD TRUMP IN THE ELECTION ARE DEBATING AGAIN TONIGHT. AMONG THE HOT TOPICS — HEALTH CARE.>>COSTS WILL GO UP FOR GIANT CORPORATIONS BUT FOR HARD-WORKING FAMILIES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, THE COSTS WILL GO DOWN. AND THAT’S HOW IT SHOULD WORK UNDER MEDICARE FOR ALL IN OUR HEALTH CARE.>>Andrew: ONLY THE TOP 10 CONTENDERS WERE INVITED TO FACE OFF IN HOUSTON. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE LEADING THREE, JOE BIDEN AND BERNIE SANDERS AND ELIZABETH WARREN, HAVE ALL BEEN PART OF THE SAME DEBATE.>>>OKAY, STILL AHEAD TONIGHT…>>A DOUBLE DOSE OF STORIES ABOUT YOUR HEALTH. HUNDREDS ARE SICK WITH A MYSTERIOUS AND DEADLY ILLNESS LINKED TO VAPING. SHOULD THE GOVERNMENTS BAN IT?>>Adrienne: PLUS, C.B.D. OIL MARKETED AS A CURE-ALL. DOES IT DO ANYTHING? WE’RE BACK IN TWO MINUTES.>>Adrienne: ALL RIGHT, WELCOME BACK. LET’S GO TO “THE NATIONAL” NEWSROOM IN VANCOUVER WHERE IAN IS TRACKING OTHER STORIES ACROSS CANADA TONIGHT.>>Ian: AND, ADRIENNE, LET’S BEGIN WITH SOME DEVELOPING NEWS FROM KINGTON, ONTARIO. VIOLENT ATTACKS LEFT ONE VICTIM DEAD AND SENT OTHERS TO HOSPITAL AND THE ATTACKER SHOT BY POLICE. A BYSTANDER TOOK VIDEO OF SOME OF IT WHICH WE HAVE EDITED.>>[indiscernible]>>GET DOWN ON THE GROUND.>>Ian: YOU GET A SENSE OF HOW QUICKLY THINGS WERE DEVELOPING AS POLICE RESPONDED. THEY SAY THEY FOUND A 22-YEAR-OLD MAN ASSAULTING SOMEONE WITH A KNIFE AND THE MAN SEEMED TO START CHASING OTHERS DOWN. A SHOT WAS FIRED AND STRIKING HIM. WORD IS THAT HE ALSO STABBED HIMSELF WITH A KNIFE. HE WAS DEAD AT THE SCENE AND OFFICIALS SAY THAT A 40-YEAR-OLD VICTIM DIED OF HIS INJURIES. SEVERAL OTHERS TAKEN TO HOSPITAL. BUT WE HAVEN’T HEARD HOW MANY OR THEIR CONDITIONS. ONTARIO’S POLICE WATCHDOG IS NOW LOOKING INTO ALL OF THIS.>>>FOUR CHILDREN WERE TAKEN TO HOSPITAL AT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. A STUDENT FOUND A CAN OF BEAR REPELLANT IN THE SCHOOLYARD AND PULLED THE PIN. BESIDES THE FOUR TAKEN TO HOSPITAL WHO WERE VOMITING AND COUGHING, 18 STUDENTS WERE TREATED AT THE SCHOOL.>>>AND AN OTTAWA CITY COUNCILLOR IS ACCUSED OF ASKING A JOB APPLICANT INAPPROPRIATE ANSWERS. SHE WAS ASKED BY RICK CHIARELLI IF SHE WAS WILLING TO GO TO WORK NOT WEARING A BRA. AND SHE ALLEGES THAT HE SHOWED HER PHOTOS OF EMPLOYEES IN REVEALING OUTFITS.>>I FOUND THE WHOLE ACCOUNT VERY DISTURBING AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL HAS GONE TO THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER.>>Ian: IF CHIARELLI IS FOUND TO HAVE VIOLATED THE CODE OF CONDUCT HE MIGHT HAVE TO FORFEIT 90 DAYS’ SALARY.>>>THERE’S CONCERNS IN THE BAHAMAS ABOUT ANOTHER APPROACHING STORM AND I’LL HAVE MORE ON THAT IN ABOUT 20 MINUTES MINUTES.>>Andrew: IN RUSSIA THERE WAS SAID TO BE A MONEY LAUNDERING INVESTIGATION. BUT THOSE HOMES AND OFFICES BELONGED TO WELL-KNOWN KREMLIN CRITIC ALEXEI NAVALNY AND HIS SUPPORTERS. AND AS CHRIS BROWN TELLS US, THE RAIDS FOLLOW HEAVY LOSSES BY VLADIMIR PUTIN’S PARTY IN RECENT LOCAL ELECTIONS.>>Reporter: THE SECURITY CAMERA MAKES IT SEEM LIKE A ROBBERY, BUT THIS WAS A STATE-SPONSORED BREAK-IN. “GET ON THE FLOOR,” SCREAMED THE MEN IN MASKS AND THE MILITARY FATIGUES. MILITARY SERVICE PERSONNEL SURPRISED THE ACTIVISTS HERE AND IN MORE THAN 40 SPOTS ACROSS RUSSIA. INCLUDING VLADIVOSTOK WHERE THEY TOOK A CHAINSAW TO GET INTO ONE OFFICE. THE TARGET OF THE RAIDS WAS FOR THE POLITICAL NETWORK OF THE ANTI-CORRUPTION CRUSADER AND PUTIN ARCH RIVAL, ALEXEI NAVALNY NAVALNY. “IT’S OBVIOUS THAT THE OPERATION OF THIS MAGNITUDE COULD ONLY BE AUTHORIZED BY VLADIMIR PUTIN, BECAUSE THE UNITED RUSSIA LOST A LOT OF SEATS,” HE SAID. PUTIN’S UNITED RUSSIA SUFFERED SIGNIFICANT LOSSES IN LAST WEEKEND’S MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS. AND SO NAVALNY SUPPORTERS WERE DISQUALIFIED AND HIS CALL FOR PEOPLE TO CHOOSE ANYONE BUT A KREMLIN-BACKED CANDIDATE APPEARS TO HAVE RESONATED. THE CAPITAL WAS ROCKED ALL SUMMER BY STREET PROTESTS LEADING UP TO THE VOTE WITH MASS ARRESTS AND SOME PROTESTERS THROWN IN JAIL FOR YEARS. CRITICS ACCUSED THE GOVERNMENT OF RESORTING TO STALIN-ERA TACTICS TO QUASH DISSENT.>>[SPEAKING RUSSIAN]>”WE’LLCONTINUE OUR FIGHT AGAINST ELECTION FRAUD,” VOWED AN ACTIVIST TODAY IN ST. PETERS BURKE. THIS ANALYST WITH CLOSE TIES TO THE KREMLIN OFFERED UP A PREDICTABLE CHARACTERIZATION OF PUTIN’S OPPONENTS, SUGGESTING THAT NAVALNY IS A TRAITOR AND THE CRACKDOWN IS JUSTIFIED.>>EVERYBODY KNOW THAT ALEXEI NAVALNY IS A POLITICAL AGENT FOR THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. WHO CLAIMS THAT RUSSIA IS THE ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES.>>Reporter: PRO-PUTIN COMMENTATORS ALWAYS POINT OUT HOW INSIGNIFICANT NAVALNY IS AND THAT THE WEST GIVES HIM FAR TOO MUCH CREDIT, SUGGESTING THAT HE PROBABLY IS A FAR GREATER WORRY THAN THE KREMLIN WOULD EVER ADMIT. CHRIS BROWN, CBC NEWS, MOSCOW.>>Andrew: NOW TODAY, ANDINGLY, I HAD A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN WITH GARRY KASPAROV, KREMLIN CRITIC AND PRO-DEMOCRACY ACTIVIST AND ALSO HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THE BEST CHESS PLAYERS OF ALL TIME. HIS TAKE ON THE RAIDS TODAY IN RUSSIA — VLADIMIR PUTIN IS RUNNING OUT OF MOVES.>>THEY’RE THE ONLY ONES THEY COULD BLAME. THEY COULD BLAME THE ENEMIES IN THE COUNTRY AND THEY COULD BLAME ENEMIES OUT OF THE COUNTRY, BUT NOW HE’S DEALING WITH YOUNG POPULATIONS WHO ARE JUST IN THEIR 20s WHO HAVE NO FUTURE FOR THEM. PUTIN HAS BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS AND THEY WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY CAN MAKE THEIR LIFE. HE HAS RUN OUT OF OPTIONS, SO THAT’S WHY IT HURTS TO SAY, BUT WE’LL SEE MORE AND MORE OF THESE KIND OF AGGRESSIVE ACTIONS FROM THE GOVERNMENT.>>Andrew: TELL ME MORE ABOUT HOW YOU SEE THE ENDGAME PLAYING OUT. BECAUSE IF YOU SAY THAT THIS REGIME COULD GET TOUGHER AND TOUGHER, AT LEAST DOMESTICALLY. HOW DOES THAT LOOK? HOW MUCH WORSE DOES THIS GET?>>I CAN TELL THAT YOU THINGS WILL BE GETTING WORSE AND WORSE AS LONG AS PUTIN STAYS IN POWER. AS SOON AS PUTIN GOES, IT WILL BE FILLED. AND I DON’T KNOW THE ENDGAME AND IT’S BAD NEWS BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW HOW AND WHEN IT HAPPENS. THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT PUTIN DOESN’T KNOW IT TOO.>>Andrew: THAT WAS A FASCINATING CONVERSATION AND WE SPENT A GOOD CHUNK OF TIME THIS AFTERNOON, KASPAROV AND I TALKING. ALL SORTS OF THINGS FROM TRUMP TO DEMOCRACY TO RUSSIA TO PUTIN AND TO ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. A FEW INTERVIEW IN A FEW WEEKS’ TIME RIGHT HERE ON “THE NATIONAL.”>>Adrienne: I AM SURE IT COULD FILL THE ENTIRE HOUR.>>Andrew: PROBABLY, YEAH.>>Adrienne: SO STILL AHEAD ON TONIGHT’S “NATIONAL”…>>>ROSIE IS BACK WITH THE “AT ISSUE” GANG. AND ONE DEBATE DOWN AND ONE LEADER MISSING. (*) (*)>>Rosemary: THE FIRST LEADERS’ DEBATE OF THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN JUST WRAPPED UP “MacLEAN’S” AND CITYTV HOSTED THIS ONE BUT JUSTIN TRUDEAU DECIDED TO SKIP IT. WILL IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? “AT ISSUE” IS BACK FOR YOUR POST-DEBATE REACTION. CHANTAL HEBERT IS IN MONTRÉAL AND ANDREW COYNE IN TORONTO, AND ALTHIA RAJ IS HERE WITH ME TONIGHT. GOOD TO SEE ALL OF YOU. IT’S THE FIRST TIME THAT WE SAW A DEBATE WITH ANY OF THESE PEOPLE BUT TWO OF THE LEADERS ON THE STAGE FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER. LET’S DO AN OVERALL ASSESSMENT OF WHAT STRUCK YOU AND WHO PERFORMED WELL, CHANTAL?>>JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND HIS ABSENCE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT ELIZABETH MAY AND JAGMEET SINGH WERE VERY EFFECTIVE AT EVERY TURN, AT ARGUING TO ANDREW SCHEER THAT HE WAS ACTUALLY WORSE THAN JUSTIN TRUDEAU.>>Rosemary: YES.>>AND ANYONE WHO WAS WATCHING WOULD HAVE COME AWAY THINKING THAT IF THIS IS A TWO-WAY RACE THAT THE TWO LEADERS WHO ARE NON-CONSERVATIVES ARE BASICALLY SAYING THE DEVIL YOU KNOW IS NOT AS BAD AS THIS DEVIL THAT YOU DON’T KNOW. I THINK THAT JAGMEET SINGH PROBABLY HELPED HIMSELF MORE THAN THE OTHERS, POSSIBLY BECAUSE HE WAS UNDERESTIMATED GOING IN AND HE HELD HIS OWN. I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS AN INTERESTING DEBATE OVERALL.>>Rosemary: I TOO HAD A COUPLE MOMENTS WHERE I THOUGHT, DOES JAGMEET SINGH WANT TO HELP THE LIBERALS RIGHT NOW? OR THE SAME WITH ELIZABETH MAY.>>I HAVE A QUESTION ON MY PAD ABOUT THE TWO OF THEM. AND IT SAYS “WHAT IS THE GAME PLAN?” [laughter]>>Rosemary: I DON’T KNOW. ANDREW, WHAT DID YOU TAKE AWAY FROM IT?>>WELL, I AGREE IN PART. I DO THINK THAT JAGMEET SINGH DID HIS CAUSE THE MOST GOOD TODAY, PARTLY BECAUSE HE WAS — HIS PERFORMANCE WAS GOOD, HE WAS FOCUSED AND HE WAS WELL BRIEFED AND HE WAS COMPETENT. WHEN YOU’RE THE KNOCK AGAINST IS THAT YOU’RE NOT FUNDAMENTALLY COMPETENT HE’S EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS AS THEY SAY. AND HE ALSO — AND I DISAGREE A THE LITTLE BIT WITH THE PREVIOUS COMMENT IT’S HE DID MAKE THE COMMENT FOR DISAFFECTED LIBERALS AND WHY THEY SHOULD LOOK AT THE N.D.P. HE WAS MORE ON POINT OF HIS CRITIQUES OF THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT. AND MISS MAY WAS HER AUTHENTIC SELF AND IT WILL BE THRILLING TO HER EXISTING SUPPORTERS — I’M NOT SURE THAT IT WOULD HAVE EXPANDED HER BASE THAT MUCH. AND I THINK THAT ANDREW SCHEER, WHO HAD THE LEAST TO GAIN TODAY, I THINK THAT HE DID GOOD IN THE SENSE OF NOT GETTING CAUGHT UP IN THE FRAY WITH THE OTHER TWO CANDIDATES WHICH HE’S NOT REALLY BATTLING FOR VOTES AND KEEPING HIS FOCUS ON JUSTIN TRUDEAU, WHICH HE IS BATTLING.>>Rosemary: EVEN HIS BODY LANGUAGE, IT WAS CLEAR THAT HE WAS TOLD TO NOT TURN AND ADDRESS EITHER OF THEM AND KEEP IT STRAIGHT AT THE CAMERA. ALTHIA?>>I LOVE IT WHEN WE ALL KIND OF DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT.>>Rosemary: YEAH.>>AND WE DO. ANDREW SCHEER WAS A LITTLE STIFF. AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HIM I THINK GET MORE COMFORTABLE IN THE POSITION DEBATING WITH THE OTHER LEADERS. IT WAS CLEAR THAT HIS MESSAGE WAS REALLY DIRECTED AT PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY FRUSTRATED WITH JUSTIN TRUDEAU. HE MENTIONED THE LIBERAL LEADER MORE THAN 20 TIMES. AND HIS MESSAGE WAS REALLY FOCUSED, YOU KNOW, “US VERSUS THE LIBERALS.” AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO SEE MR. SINGH AND MISS MAY DEBATE EACH OTHER. AND I WOULD GIVE ELIZABETH MAY THE UPPER HAND HERE. SHE TOOK AN ATTACK ON A NUMBER OF FRONTS WHETHER ON THE INDIGENOUS FILE WHEN SHE ASKED HIM, YOU KNOW, VERY POINTEDLY, WHO DO YOU THINK THAT PROVIDES THESE SERVICES? AND PUBLIC TENDERING DOESN’T MEAN THAT THEY DO IT, AND ABOUT L.N.G. AND SHE SAID A FEW TIMES YOU’RE LIKE A GREEN BUT YOUR TARGETS ARE TOO LOW. THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN’T KNOW WHO JAGMEET SINGH IS AND HE’S A CHARMING FELLOW AND THAT CAME ACROSS. SO THERE WAS DEFINITELY TWO VERY DIFFERENT AUDIENCES. YOU KNOW, MR. SCHEER WAS TALKING TO CANADIANS WHO ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR TAXES AND MONEY COMING INTO THEIR POCKETS. AND ELIZABETH MAY AND JAGMEET SINGH WERE KIND OF OFFERING CANADIANS THAT NEW NATION BUILDING PROJECT AND DREAM WITH US AND IT WAS VERY STRIKING.>>Rosemary: IT WAS HARD TO SEE I THINK THAT TRUDEAU WAS — YOU KNOW, SEVERELY DAMAGED THOUGH AFTER THAT DEBATE. I’M NOT SURE THAT YOU ALL WOULD AGREE. BUT I WANT TO PULL OUT HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE DEBATE AND ONE THING THAT ANDREW SCHEER SAID ABOUT BALANCING BUDGETS, BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE NEEDS FURTHER QUESTIONING. SO I’LL JUST PLAY WHAT HE HAD TO SAY AND YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK.>>The Hon. Andrew Scheer: THEY’LL CONTROL THE RATE OF GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND THAT’S HOW WE’LL GET BACK TO BALANCED BUDGETS. WE HAVE SEEN RECORD LEVELS OF SPENDING AND THEY’LL MAINTAIN THOSE LEVELS.>>Rosemary: YOU CAN HEAR ELIZABETH MAY GO AH, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THEY’RE SUGGESTING THAT ANDREW SCHEER WILL DO, MAYBE NOT MAKE CUTS BUT IF YOU RESTRICT SPENDING IT MEANS THAT SOMETHING HAS TO FALL BY THE WAYSIDE. CHANTAL, DID THAT PERK UP YOUR EARS AT ALL, THAT COMMENT?>>A BIT. BUT I AGREE WITH YOUR PREFACE THAT IT MAY CREATE MORE QUESTIONS RATHER THAN PROVIDE A REAL PICTURE. I HAVE TO SAY THAT I HEARD IT BUT IT DIDN’T STRIKE ME AS A BIG MOMENT WHERE SUDDENLY –>>Rosemary: BEING REVEALED.>>WHERE SCHEER IS MORE DEFINED BY WHAT HE CAME UP WITH. I HAVE TO SAY THAT GOING BACK TO WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED, THAT SCHEER WAS CLEARLY PLAYING FOR THE CLIPS THAT YOU WILL BE PLAYING.>>Rosemary: UM-HMM.>>THIS IS ONE OF THOSE. [laughter]>>Rosemary: WELL, THERE YOU GO. I’VE DONE THAT FOR HIM. ANDREW?>>WELL, RESTRICTING THE RATE OF GROWTH OF SPENDING THAT IS ALREADY AT ALL-TIME RECORD HIGHS IS NOT WHAT I THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD CALL “AUSTERITY.”>>Rosemary: NO.>>SO I’M NOT SURE THAT I SEE THE AH-HA MOMENT THERE, TO BE FRANK.>>Rosemary: BUT CAN YOU SEE HOW IT GETS TURNED INTO SOMETHING?>>EVERYTHING GETS TURNED INTO SOMETHING. [laughter]>>Rosemary: OKAY.>>NOT BY US.>>Rosemary: NO, NOT BY US. SO LET ME PLAY A LITTLE CLIP OF WHAT ALTHIA WAS REFERRING TO THERE AND WHAT WE ALL SPECULATED ABOUT BEFORE THE DEBATE, AND THIS IS THE INTERACTION BETWEEN SINGH AND MAY. THIS WAS THE ONE SORT OF CHIPPIER MOMENT AND IT’S SUPER INTERESTING TO LOOK AT. SO HERE’S WHAT THAT SOUNDED LAICH…>>The Hon. Jagmeet Singh: WE HAVE A SOLID POSITION, UNLIKE THE GREENS, ON A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE.>>Elizabeth May: THAT’S NOT TRUE.>>The Hon. Jagmeet Singh: WE HAVE A BELIEF THAT WE CAN’T LEAVE WORKERS BEHIND AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD NOT PUT MR. SCHEER IN THE PRIME MINISTER’S SEAT, UNLIKE MISS MAY AND THE GREEN PARTY WHO BELIEVE THAT IS THE RIGHT CHOICE.>>Elizabeth May: EXCUSE ME. THOSE ARE ABSURD STATEMENTS.>>Rosemary: ALTHIA, YOU START OFF.>>YEAH, I MEAN, THIS WAS REALLY I THINK THE KNOCK OUT PUNCH THAT JAGMEET SINGH WOULD GET ON ELIZABETH MAY BY RAISING THESE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE MEDIA. THE FACT THAT WE HAD NANTEL RUNNING FOR THE GREENS SAYING THAT HE’S A SOVEREIGNTY AND MISS MAY SAYING THAT I DON’T THINK THAT HE IS REALLY. AND THE ABORTION ISSUE, AND ON WHETHER BACKBENCH, I GUESS THEY’LL ALL BE BACKBENCH, BUT TO RESTRICT A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE. AND SHE JUST KIND OF LAUGHED IT OFF. CLEARLY, TRYING TO JUST STARVE THIS ISSUE OF ANY OXYGEN. AND DOESN’T WANT TO GET INTO IT. BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE ONLY CONTENTIOUS MOMENT THAT WE REALLY SAW MR. SINGH LAND AGAINST ELIZABETH MAY.>>Rosemary: ANDREW, WHAT DID YOU THINK OF IT, THAT DYNAMIC?>>THEY WERE EFFECTIVE POINTS AND THEY WERE POINTS ON WHICH SHE’S BEEN ON HER BACK FOOT FOR A WEEK OR TWO NOW. AND THE TROUBLE IS THAT IT WAS AN HOUR INTO THE DEBATE WHERE TWO-THIRDS OF THE AUDIENCE PROBABLY LEFT. AND SO HE NEEDED TO DO IT EARLIER AND FOLLOW IT UP. THAT WAS BASICALLY THE ONLY TIME THAT HE RAISED THOSE POINTS.>>Rosemary: CHANTAL?>>WE TALKED ABOUT PLAYING FOR THE CLIPS AND I’M SURE IF THE N.D.P. COULD PICK A CLIP TO PLAY, BECAUSE ANDREW IS QUITE RIGHT THAT IT CAME LATE AFTER MINUTES OF OTHER DEBATES, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU’RE PLAYING THAT CLIP AND THAT IT WILL PLAY MEANS THAT IT WASN’T A WASTED MOMENT.>>THE CLIP –>>Rosemary: FOR THE RECORD NO ONE IS CALLING ME AND TELLING ME WHICH CLIPS TO CHOOSE. [laughter]>>IF YOU WERE THEM, YOU WOULD SAY MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.>>Rosemary: YEAH, YEAH, ANDREW?>>IT SEEMED THAT THE MOST JAW-DROPPING MOMENT, AND NOT A GOOD ONE FOR, LI FOR ELIZABETH MAY IS ON WHEN THEY GAVE WEAK ANSWERS ON WHAT THEY’D DO ABOUT BILL 21, EFFECTIVELY, VIRTUALLY NOTHING. BUT MISS MAY ADDED THAT SHE’D HELP RELIGIOUS MINORITIES IN QUÉBEC WHO COULDN’T FIND JOBS BECAUSE THERE IS NOW A RELIGIOUS HIRING BAR IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE, OR MUCH OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE. THAT SHE’D HELP THEM TO FIND JOBS OUT OF THE PROVINCE. ALL THREE LEADERS THREW RELIGIOUS MINORITIES UNDER THE BUS. SHE’LL BUY THEM BUS TICKETS.>>Rosemary: THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE CLIP THAT I WOULD HAVE TAKEN. SO LET’S GO BACK TO JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S ABSENCE. SO THEY HAD THAT PODIUM AND A COUPLE OF TIMES SINGH GESTURED TOWARDS IT. AND HE CERTAINLY CAME UP DURING THE S.N.C. AREA IN PARTICULAR, A COUPLE TIMES ON CHINA. BUT, I DON’T KNOW, SHOULD I BE SURPRISED THAT HE WAS NOT ATTACKED MORE, CHANTAL?>>I MEAN, THE DYNAMICS OF THIS — THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE THAT ARE ANSWERING QUESTIONS AND THE CAMERA SHOOK, AND YOU BARELY SAW, IF HE CAME IN AFTER THE FIRST FIVE MINUTES HE PROBABLY WOULDN’T HAVE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS AN EMPTY PODIUM. I AM NOT SAYING IT’S A BAD THING, BECAUSE I THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE WHO WATCHED IT DID NOT WANT TO SPEND AN HOUR AND A HALFLINNING TO TRUDEAU BASHING ANYWAYS. A LOT OF THOSE LINES HAVE BEEN HEARD BEFORE. IF THEY’RE GOING TO VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE THEY NEED TO HEAR SOMEONE ELSE TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.>>Rosemary: YEAH, ALTHIA, HOW DO YOU THINK THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU CAME OUT OF THIS, GIVEN THAT HE WASN’T THERE?>>IT WAS A STRATEGIC MOVE TO NOT PUT HIM IN THE DEBATE. SO AS A JOURNALIST AND A CITIZEN IN THIS COUNTRY I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN HIM DEBATE FOR DEMOCRACY. HE DID RUN IN 2015 TALKS ABOUT HOW MUCH HE’D PUT HIMSELF IN FRONT OF THE MEDIA AND THE PUBLIC AND SO IT’S DISAPPOINTING TO NOT SEE HIM THERE. BUT I THINK THAT IT’S A CLEAR FRONT-RUNNER STRATEGY. INSTEAD HE SPENT THE DAY COURTING VOTERS IN UNHELD RIDINGS, GETTING, ONE ASSUMES, PRETTY FAVOURABLE MEDIA COVERAGE WITH LOCAL MEDIA. AND THAT MAY BE WORTH MORE THAN THE SEVERAL THOUSANDS, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, MAYBE WHO WATCHED THIS DEBATE IN THE G.T.A., THE ONE THAT WE’RE MOSTLY LOCATED IN OR CITYTV IS LOCATED IN. AND IT WAS ODD BECAUSE WE DID — AT THE BEGINNING WE MENTIONED THAT HE WASN’T THERE BUT THEY NEVER SHOWED THE EMPTY PODIUM AGAIN. THAT BEING SAID, MR. WALLACE, A MODERATOR OF THE DEBATE, BROUGHT UP POINTS THAT MR. TRUDEAU WOULD HAVE MADE ABOUT BREXIT, FOR EXAMPLE. AND ELIZABETH MAY BROUGHT UP POINTS AGAINST ANDREW SCHEER THAT PROBABLY JUSTIN TRUDEAU WOULD HAVE DONE WITH REGARDS TO CHINA. SO IN SOME WAYS HE DIDN’T NEED TO BE THERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF, SOME PEOPLE WERE DOING THAT JOB FOR HIM.>>Rosemary: ABOUT 4 45 SECONDS FOR YOU, ANDREW.>>IT WORKED TOWARDS THE EXTENT THAT IT STARVED THE DISCUSSION OF OXYGEN. IF THE EMERGING ISSUE AROUND TRUDEAU IS CREDIBILITY AND IF YOU CAN TRUST HIM, IT DOESN’T LOOK GOOD WHEN YOU’RE NOT SHOWING UP FOR DEBATES, WHEN YOU’RE REFUSING TO ALLOW CABINET CONFIDENTIALITY TO BE WAIVED IN AN RCMP INQUIRY. YOU CAN START TO PUT THOSE PIECES TOGETHER. WHERE THESE THINGS BECAME SALIENT IN A PUBLIC MIND IS WHEN A BUNCH OF SEPARATE ISSUES CONGEAL INTO ONE ISSUE. IF THIS ADDS TO THAT IMPRESSION THAT HIS CREDIBILITY IS ON THE LINE, THEN THAT CAN HURT HIM, EVEN IF THIS PARTICULAR DEBATE DIDN’T DO THAT MUCH DAMAGE.>>Rosemary: OKAY, WELL, WE WATCHED IT, SO THAT’S GOOD. [laughter] AND WE TRIED TO SORT IT OUT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE WHICH IS WHAT WE WANTED TO DO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR STAYING UP LATE AND WATCHING THAT WITH US AND FOR US. I APPRECIATE IT. WE’LL TALK AGAIN SOON, BUT NOT TOO SOON. BEFORE WE GO, SUBSCRIBE TO “AT ISSUE” THE PODCAST EDITION AND LOOK FOR IT ON iTUNES AND ANY MAJOR PODCAST APP AND OUR WEBSITE CBCNEWS.CA/THENATIONAL. AND CHECK OUT THE NEW PODCAST CALLED “PARTY LINES” AND ELAMIN ABDELMAHMOUD AND I AM THERE TOO WILL GET YOU ELECTION EVERY THURSDAY. AND A NEW EPISODE IS OUT NOW.>>Andrew: BACK IN TWO MINUTES WITH A STORY WHO EVER TRIED C.B.D. OIL FOR THEIR HEALTH. IT’S BEEN RECOMMENDED TO TREAT EVERYTHING FROM ANXIETY TO CANCER, BUT DOES IT REALLY HELP? NEXT. (*>>Andrew: CANNABIDIOL OR C.B.D. IS HAVING A MOMENT. IT’S SHOWING UP IN ALL KINDS OF PRODUCTS AND CELEBRITIES ARE ALL IN ON THE HYPE. WILLIE NELSON LAUNCHED A LINE OF C.B.D. INFUSED COFFEE BEANS AND MANDY MOORE TALKED ABOUT USING C.B.D. CREAM FOR FOOT PAIN. BUSY PHILLIPS SAYS SHE CARRIES C.B.D. GUMMIES TO EASE ANXIETY. AND KIM KARDASHIAN HAD A C.B.D.-THEMED BABY SHOWER WHERE THEY MADE C.B.D. OIL BATH SALTS AND BODY OIL.>>SHE’S INFUSING IT WITH THE C.B.D. RIGHT NOW.>>Andrew: SO IS C.B.D. AS HARMLESS AS IT’S MADE OUT TO BE? HEALTH REPORTER CHRISTINE BIRAK LOOKS AT WHAT THE SCIENCE SAYS.>>PULL OUT WHAT YOU NEED.>>Reporter: ONCE DAILY, MARTHA GLENY DROPS A DOSE OF CANNABIDIOL, OR C.B.D., UNDER HER TONGUE. SHE SAYS IT EASES HER INTENSE NERVE-RELATED BACK PAIN.>>IT HAS NOT REMOVED THE PAIN 100%. IT HAS MADE DAYS WHERE I DON’T HAVE ANY PAIN.>>Reporter: C.B.D. IS A SISTER COMPOUND OF T.H.C. THAT CAN OFFER HEALTH BENEFITS WITHOUT MAKING PEOPLE FEEL HIGH. BUT ROUGHLY $100 A BOTTLE, IT’S BEING PUSHED AS A HARMSLESS CURE-ALL FOR A LONG LIST OF CONDITIONS INCLUDING CANCER AND ANXIETY AND CHRONIC PAIN AND OPIOID ADDICTION. WHILE IT DOES HOLD PROMISE AS A MEDICATION, ASIDE FROM TREATING EPILEPSY, DOCTORS SAY THAT THERE ARE FEW GUIDELINES FOR PRESCRIBING IT FOR ANYTHING ELSE.>>IT’S TRICKY. IT IS ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES THAT I THINK THAT IN CANADIAN HISTORY, YOU KNOW, WHERE A MEDICATION HAS MADE IT TO THE POPULATION WITHOUT THE SCIENCE LEADING US THERE.>>Reporter: A RECENT REVIEW FOR DOCTORS LOOKED AT THE MEDICAL EVIDENCE AND RECOMMENDED THAT “CARE MUST BE TAKEN WHEN DIRECTING PATIENTS TOWARDS C.B.D. PRODUCTS.” NOTING THAT THERE’S “LITTLE REGULATION”. STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT SOME BOTTLES CONTAINED NO C.B.D. AT ALL AND MOST CONTAINED T.H.C. AS WELL. AND LARGE TRIALS OF C.B.D. TREATMENT FOR EPILEPTIC TREATMENTS SHOWED SIDE EFFECTS RANGING FROM SLEEPINESS TO DIARRHEA TO PATIENTS HAVING LIVER TOXICITY.>>ANOTHER PROBLEM IS THAT THE CANNABIDIOL CAN ALSO INTERACT WITH OTHER DRUGS THAT YOU TAKE AT THE SAME TIME.>>Reporter: DR. GABRIELLA GOBBI IS STUDYING C.B.D. FOR SLEEP DISORDERS IN McGILL. THERE’S EARLY RESEARCH, MOSTLY ANIMAL STUDIES, AS A TREATMENT FOR INFLAMMATION AND ANXIETY AND EVEN PSYCHOTIC SYMPTOMS. DR. GOBBI HAS THIS ADVICE FOR THOSE LOOKING TO GIVE C.B.D. A TRY…>>THIS MUST BE DONE WITH THE HELP OF A DOCTOR AND YOU CAN’T JUST TREAT YOURSELF WITH THE MEDICAL CANNABIS OR CANNABIDIOL.>>I HAVEN’T NOTICED ANY SIDE EFFECTS DOING THIS DOSAGE.>>Reporter: GENNY SOUGHT OUT CLARKE FOR HELP WITH HER BACK PAIN. HE SAYS THAT MOST PHYSICIANS ARE OPEN-MINDED ABOUT PRESCRIBING C.B.D. BUT MOST WANT TO SEE THE EVIDENCE BACKING IT UP.>>LET’S FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE USE. LET’S FIGURE OUT WHAT THE LEVELS ARE IN THEIR BODY AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING HELPED AND WHAT ISN’T. AND ONCE WE GET TO THAT PLACE AND THE WORLD IS LOOKING TO CANADA IN THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS.>>Reporter: FOR AS LONG AS IT WORKS, GLENNY SAYS THAT SHE’S JUST HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO DO EVERYDAY THINGS. CHRISTINE BIRAK, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Adrienne: STILL AHEAD… HEALTHY KIDS TURNED GRAVELY ILL FROM VAPING.>>>TONIGHT NEW CALLS TO BAN THE ADDICTIVE PRODUCTS. BUT FIRST… (*)>>”IN CASE YOU MISSED IT” THIS IS THE NEWEST LOOK OF THE HONG KONG PROTEST MOVEMENT. (*) (singing)>>Adrienne: THOUSANDS ARE CONVERGING ON MALLS, ON TRAIN STATIONS AND TO STADIUMS BELTING OUT A NEW ANTHEM OF SORTS. A RESISTANCE SONG CALLED “GLORY TO HONG KONG.” (*) (singing) THERE’S EVEN A MUSIC VIDEO OF MUSICIANS OUTFITTED JUST LIKE THE PROTESTERS. THE LYRICS ARE A VOW NOT TO SURRENDER IN THE FIGHT AGAINST BEIJING FOR DEMOCRATIC FREEDOMS.>>I THINK THAT THE SONG GATHERS PEOPLE REALLY NICELY. THEY’VE REALLY SHOWN PEOPLE THAT THEIR OPINION TOWARDS THE WHOLE MOVEMENT IN HONG KONG. (*)>>Adrienne: AT TIMES THERE’S ALSO CHANTING AS PROTESTERS REITERATE THEIR FIVE DEMANDS. NOTABLY, NOT FAIR THAT UNIFORMED POLICE WHO SHOW UP IN FORCE AT OTHER DEMONSTRATIONS. BUT THERE IS PUSHBACK. TODAY COUNTERPROTESTERS SHOWED UP AT ONE MALL WAVING CHINESE FLAGS AND SINGING THE ACTUAL NATIONAL ANTHEM. THEIR CHANTS WERE EVENTUALLY DROWNED OUT. ELSEWHERE A MUCH MORE TENSE MEETING OF THE TWO SIDES. THERE COULD BE MORE TO COME. POLICE HAVE BANNED ANOTHER MAJOR RALLY PLANNED FOR THIS WEEKEND. BUT ONE OF THESE FLASH MOBS ENDED WITH SHOUTS OF “SEE YOU AT VICTORIA PARK.” THAT’S WHERE IT’S SCHEDULED TO START.>>Ian: WELCOME BACK TO OUR NATIONAL NEWSROOM. LESS THAN TWO WEEKS AFTER BEING BATTERED BY HURRICANE DORIAN ANOTHER STORM IS HEADED TOWARDS THE BAHAMAS. IT’S NOT EXPECTED TO HIT HURRICANE LEVELS BUT THE WINDS AND THE HEAVY RAINFALL THAT IS FORECAST WOULD BE HITTING AN AREA THAT IS STILL STRUGGLING. OFFICIALS SAY THAT 1,300 PEOPLE ARE STILL MISSING. THAT’S A MUCH LOWER NUMBER THAN YESTERDAY’S ESTIMATE.>>>AND ALMOST 150 BUSINESS LEADERS IN THE UNITED STATES ARE STEPPING INTO A VERY CONTROVERSIAL DEBATE. THEY’RE CALLING FOR, QUOTE “COMMON SENSE GUN LAWS.” A LETTER TO THE U.S. SENATE CALLING FOR EXTENDED BACKGROUND CHECKS AND NEW WAYS TO PREVENT ACCESS TO FIREARMS. THE LIST INCLUDES HEADS OF MAJOR TECH COMPANIES, INCLUDING UBER, AIRBNB AND TWITTER WHO CALL THE SITUATION AN URGENT PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.>>>”THE NATIONAL” IS BACK IN TWO MINUTES WITH AN IMPORTANT STORY ABOUT KIDS’ HEALTH. VAPING IS POPULAR WITH TEENS. THAT POPULARITY IS HELPED BY FRUITY FLAVOURS. WELL, TONIGHT NEW FIGURES ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SICK FROM IT. AND NEW CALLS TO BAN IT. THAT’S NEXT. (*)>>Adrienne: TEENS WITH COLLAPSED LUNGS, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN THE U.S. HOSPITALIZED, ALL BECAUSE OF VAPING. NOW THE EXACT SOURCE HAS NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED BUT TODAY THE C.D.C. ANNOUNCED THAT THERE ARE 380 CONFIRMED AND PROBABLE CASES OF LUNG DISEASE LINKED TO e-CIGARETTE USE. SO THAT HAS PROMPTED CALLS TO BAN THOUSANDS OF FLAVOURS THAT ATTRACT YOUNG PEOPLE. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS REALLY CONSIDERING IT. AND AS KAREN PAULS TELLS US, IN CANADA IT CAME UP TODAY ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.>>THAT IS VERY SOUR.>>Reporter: KEITH BYRNES LOVES THE VARIETY, 170 e-JUICE FLAVOURS ARE MANUFACTURED AND SOLD HERE. HE DOESN’T WANT THEM BANNED UNTIL THERE’S PROOF THAT THEY’RE CAUSING RESPIRATORY ILLNESS.>>THEY DON’T KNOW HOW PEOPLE ARE GETTING SICK.>>Reporter: PEOPLE, LIKE 21-YEAR-OLD ELIJAH MCCLURE, WHO WENT FROM BEING A HEALTHY FORMER HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETE TO NEEDING A VENTILATOR AND BREATHING TUBE TO STAY ALIVE.>>HE STARTED VAPING AT 15.>>THE VIOLENT WRETCHING AND THE DRY HEAVING AND THE VOMITING AND THE PAIN THAT HE WAS GOING THROUGH, IT REALLY SHOOK ME TO MY CORE.>>Reporter: MCCLURE IS ONE OF THE HUNDREDS OF CASES OF LUNG DISEASE ASSOCIATED WITH VAPING IN THE U.S. THERE ARE SIX SUSPECTED DEATHS. NO SINGLE DEVICE OR PRODUCT IS TO BLAME, ALTHOUGH MANY CASES INVOLVE MARIJUANA VAPING.>>PEOPLE ARE DYING. SO WE’RE LOOKING AT IT VERY CLOSELY.>>Reporter: THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS PLANNING TO REMOVE ALL FLAVOURED e-JUICE FROM STORE SHELVES. THE FIRST STEP IN WHAT MAY BE A COMPLETE BAN OF MINT, CANDY, FRUIT AND ALCOHOL FLAVOURS. TOBACCO FLAVOURING WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED. IN CANADA, OTTAWA RECENTLY PASSED LEGISLATION BANNING THE SALE OF VAPING PRODUCTS TO ANYONE UNDER 18, AND RESTRICTING ADVERTISING. HEALTH CANADA HAS ALSO STEPPED UP INSPECTIONS OF VAPE AND CONVENIENCE STORES. THE QUESTION OF A BAN CAME UP TODAY ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.>>The Hon. Andrew Scheer: CERTAINLY WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: BUT OUR DECISIONS WILL BE MADE BASED ON EVIDENCE.>>The Hon. Jagmeet Singh: WE SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL TO ASSESS ANY SORT OF INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.>>Reporter: IT’S HARD TO GET TRUE STATISTICS BECAUSE ALL OF THIS IS SO NEW. BUT ONE STUDY IN 2015 IN THE U.S. FOUND THAT MORE THAN 80% OF UNDERAGED TEENS WHO STARTED VAPING STARTED WITH FLAVOURS LIKE THIS, PACKAGED TO LOOK LIKE CANDY. NOT SURPRISINGLY, THE VAPE INDUSTRY IS RESISTING ANY TALK OF BANNING FLAVOURED PRODUCTS.>>THERE’S A LOT OF RESEARCH THAT SAYS THAT ADULT SMOKERS THAT HAVE STOPPED SMOKING BY USING VAPING ALSO USE FLAVOURS. SO I’M NOT SURE THAT AN OUTRIGHT BAN ON ALL FLAVOURS IS THE RIGHT THING.>>Reporter: THIS e-JUICE MANUFACTURER AGREES.>>THE PROBLEM REALLY ISN’T FLAVOURS AND THE PROBLEM IS THE ACCESS THAT PEOPLE WHO SHOULDN’T BE USING THESE PRODUCTS HAVE TO THESE PRODUCTS.>>Reporter: KEITH BYRNES SAYS THAT A BAN ON FRUITY FLAVOURS WOULD MEAN HE’D HAVE TO FIND WHAT HE WANTS ON THE BLACK MARKET. KAREN PAULS, CBC NEWS, WINNIPEG.>>Andrew: OKAY, NEXT ON “THE NATIONAL”…>>>A MOMENT FROM THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL THAT SEEMED AWFULLY FAMILIAR TO ONE FROM ANOTHER LIBERAL TRUDEAU>>Rosemary: THIS WAS LIKE NOT A GREAT “MOMENT.” THE OFFICIAL LIBERAL CAMPAIGN PLANE WAS GROUNDED TODAY BECAUSE OF THIS UGLY LONG SCRAPE ON THE UNDERSIDE OF ITS WING. IT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT, THE WOUND IS SELF-INFLICTED. THE SCRAPE CAME WHEN THE PARTY’S MEDIA BUS WENT UNDER THE WING. ARE YOU FEELING A SENSE OF DÉJÂ-VU MAYBE? THIS MAY EXPLAIN WHY. IT LASTED ONLY A DAY AND THEN IN CAME THE REPLACEMENT PLANE. THE BRANDING A LITTLE LESS LIBERAL BUT THIS ONE AT LEAST COULD TAKE OFF. NOT A GREAT CAMPAIGN MOMENT, BUT, CERTAINLY, NOT THE FIRST OF ITS KIND. THERE WAS THAT TIME MICHAEL IGNATIEFF’S BUS BROKE DOWN. I REMEMBER THAT ONE. AND THE TIME THAT PAUL MARTIN’S WAGON WHEEL WENT FLAT. BUT THERE’S NO COMPARISON QUITE LIKE THAT TIME THAT ANOTHER BUS HIT ANOTHER CAMPAIGN PLANE BEING USED BY ANOTHER TRUDEAU — QUEUE THE ARCHIVAL REPORT.>>IN MANITOBA TONIGHT A BUS ORGANIZER IS LOOKING FOR A NEW JOB. THE LIBERALS WEREN’T TOO PLEASED HOW THE BUS DROVE INTO A CHARTERED JET MOMENTS BEFORE TAKEOFF. NO ONE WAS HURT BUT THE PLANE WAS GROUNDED AND THE LUNCHEON GATHERING WAITING IN ONTARIO NEVER GOT TO SEE TRUDEAU.>>Rosemary: BY THE TIME THAT PIERRE TRUDEAU GOT TO THE MIKE HE HAD HIS POLITICAL BURN READY TO GO.>>I FELT FOR A MOMENT WHEN THE PLANE DIDN’T TAKE OFF HOW MR. CLARK MUST FEEL WITH HIS WHOLE CAMPAIGN, WHICH NEVER TOOK OFF. [Cheers and Applause] [laughter]>>Rosemary: THAT’S CLASSIC TRUDEAU RIGHT THERE! I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETIMES IT ACTUALLY WORKS OUT. I WAS COVERING A QUÉBEC ELECTION WITH JEAN CHAREST AND HE’S STARTING TO TAKE OFF IN THE POLLS AND HE WAS GOING TO WIN AND HIS BUS WENT ON FIRE ONE NIGHT. SO THEN THAT WAS MY OPENING CHEESY LINE, JEAN CHAREST IS ON FIRE. [laughter]>>Ian: SO NICE TO SEE THE ANN MEDINA STORY. AND IT MADE ME THINK IF TRUDEAU’S SON OR DAUGHTER ENDS UP BECOMING PRIME MINISTER IN 20 OR 30 YEARS “THE NATIONAL” PEOPLE WILL WATCH PROBABLY ON THEIR CONTACT LENSES, THEY’LL PLAY THIS TAPE AND SAY REMEMBER WHEN FOUR PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AT THE END OF THE SHOW? THAT’S THE LAST TIME THAT A BUS HIT A PLANE.>>Adrienne: YOU STOLE WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. BECAUSE TO HEAR ANN MEDINA’S VOICE WAS FANTASTIC. I’D LOVE TO THINK WHAT SHE THOUGHT OF TODAY — I MIGHT CALL HER LATER TO FIND OUT. AND I WAS THINKING WHAT IF SOCIAL MEDIA HAD BEEN LURKING IN THAT ERA AND THE MEMES THAT WOULD HAVE COME OUT OF THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN UNBELIEVABLE.>>Andrew: I FEEL THAT I WAS ALONE IN THIS ONE. IT WAS JUST ME OR WAS THE MOST FASCINATING THING ABOUT THIS MOST RECENT CASE IS THAT THE BUS EXACTLY FIT UNDER THE WING OF THE PLANE?>>Ian: THAT’S JUST YOU.>>Adrienne: I AGREE, IT DID UNTIL IT DIDN’T.>>Andrew: I THOUGHT FROM A PHYSICS STANDPOINT THAT IT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING.>>>THAT’S “THE NATIONAL” FOR THIS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 12th. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.>>Rosemary: GOODNIGHT.>>Ian: GOODNIGHT.>>Adrienne: GOODNIGHT

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