The Holodomor – the Communists’ Holocaust | BETWEEN 2 WARS I 1932 Part 3 of 4

You’ve made your plans, and executed them.
Your big plans to industrialize your workers and collectivize your farms. But things go
against you- your internal policies work against you, your external policies work against you,
nature works against you until your agricultural plans have resulted in famine. And what do
you do then? You make it worse- you make it a famine of absolute nightmarish proportions.
You are Josef Stalin, and it is the Holodomor. Welcome to Between-2-Wars a chronological
summary of the interwar years, covering all facets of life, the uncertainty, hedonism,
and euphoria, and ultimately humanity’s descent into the darkness of the Second World
War. I’m Indy Neidell. It was as part of his first Five Year Plan
that Stalin and his government collectivized the farms of the Soviet Union. We’ve already
done an episode about that Five Year Plan, this is about the agricultural and some of
the social effects. Now, we’re going to talk about the Holodomor
and before we do that we need to understand a few things about the historiography. Until
just before the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 the events I will cover today were
known only from anecdotal and eye witness accounts. Starting already immediately in
the 1930s the Soviets went to extreme lengths to cover up what had actually happened. Even
knowing where any of the mass graves of the countless victims were could get you killed,
which is exactly what happened to the entire staff of the Lukianivske Cemetery in Kiev,
who were rounded up, tried on trumped up charges of treason and shot in 1938. Since the admittance by The Secretary General
of the USSR Mikhail Gorbachev that this happened in the late 1980s, the opening of the Soviet
archives, and the independence of the Ukraine the events have been researched extensively
and in extreme detail. And yet, today in 2019 it is sometimes publicly debated if the Ukrainian
famine of 1932 to 1933 was an act of genocide by starvation, or the collateral damage of
a plan gone-wrong. Among most historians both in the East and the West there is today little
doubt, if any that it was a deliberate act initiated by Stalin to use the already dire
situation created by the five-year plan to get rid of what he perceived as a threat of
renewed nationalist dissent in Ukraine. Much like Hitler will later do with the Holocaust,
Stalin never issued a direct order to starve the Ukrainian farmers to death. Much like
the Nazis, the Communists used euphemisms and convoluted, sanitized language in their
communication about the famine. And still… the events speak for themselves. The immense
disproportion between deaths in Ukraine and areas in Russia with mostly ethnic Ukrainians
against the deaths in the rest of the USSR is staggering. Proportionally more than ten
times as many peasants died in the Ukrainian regions. The gradual increase of oppression
and suppression of Ukranian culture is exactly parallel to the increasing measures that lead
to the famine. The repeated refusal to send relief to Ukraine despite calls even by Soviet
officials to do so, while relief is being sent to other regions. Finally, there is what
some historians consider the smoking gun; the telegram sent by Stalin to the Ukrainian
Communist Party on January 1, 1933, demanding that they enforce without prejudice and with
full force the 7 August 1932 edict that made even hiding grain for your own consumption
a capital crime. Now, you can ask questions, you can present
sources and you can discuss this in the comments if you like, but remember that the blanket
denial of these events will not be tolerated under our videos. If you have any doubt in
your mind about this, we recommend that you read Anne Appelbaum’s award winning book
Red Famine, Stalin’s War on Ukraine – it is a detailed, unbiased, but terrifying blow
by blow account of what we historians now know happened. In any case, Soviet farms had until the mid
and late 20s been small individual farms, most just doing subsistence farming, i.e.
growing enough food for the farmers living on that particular plot of land to survive,
but a big hope of the Five Year Plan is to combine many of these small farms into larger,
consolidated ones- collective farms- where agricultural machinery like tractors could
improve crop yields and feed the whole nation. Individually, Soviet farmers are too poor
to invest in such equipment, but if hundreds or thousands of them can share such things,
paid for by the state, agricultural output should increase dramatically. In reality, this turns out not to be the case.
With the elimination of the New Economic Policy once Stalin came to power- which we talked
about in that Five Year Plan episode- and the consequent elimination of the autonomy
of the peasants in favor of collectivization, resistance against the Soviet government grows.
And by collectivization, I mean that all farm lands, cattle, and equipment were to become
government property. This is a fairly good thing for the poorer peasants, but not at
all for the wealthier ones. They certainly don’t want to suddenly give away everything
they own. In protest, many of them slaughter their livestock and burn their fields. Livestock
populations sink to half what they had been in the 20s by 1933, which- other than the
food industry, affects other industries like leather and wool, causing shortages. There
are riots and acts of sabotage. So collectivization can only be just one part
of Stalin’s two-fold plan here. The more ideological part of the agricultural
transformation of the Soviet Union then must be the policy of “liquidating the kulaks
as a class.” The kulaks were those peasants who were, or were seen as, more affluent than
others and thereby constituted a social class of their own- those wealthier peasants. However,
the definition of kulak was often loosely defined and eventually became used as a flexible
excuse for crackdown by Soviet authorities. At times, the definition could even mean simply
having more cattle than a neighbor, but it was soon often applied to peasants who
were unwilling to hand over their grain to the government, which became the only authorized purchaser
of agricultural goods. Beginning in 1929, kulaks are further defined and given particular characteristics.
The Ukrainian Council of People’s Commissars, for example, issues a decree with a list of
“symptoms” that may apply to kulak farms. Among these are the capability of hiring labor,
having an industrial component like a tannery or a mill, or having owners who had an “unearned
income”, perhaps through trade or money lending. The “liquidation of the kulaks” is a policy
set by Moscow but implemented by local officials. And just like the Five Year Plan as a whole,
the kulak question is often settled by the establishment of quotas. The figures are set
by the secret police- the Joint State Political Directorate (OGPU), so the growing demands
made by Moscow result in anti-kulak rhetoric ratcheting up over time. For example, in January
1930, an OGPU agent uses the term “kulak-White-Guard-bandits”, branding them as enemies of the people, not
simply as class enemies as originally conceived. Being labeled a kulak is soon a social death
sentence resulting in the loss of property and legal rights. Homes and clothing belong
to kulaks are confiscated and even spontaneously auctioned off, while their lands are incorporated
into large collective farms. More and more often it’s not just a social death sentence,
but an actual death sentence. Two million “kulaks” are resettled elsewhere, particularly in northern Russia, Central Asia,
Siberia, and regions seen as underpopulated. Many die during the travel or the first winter
in their new “home”, since few, if any, provisions have been made for them; they are
sometimes simply dumped without food or shelter in a field or forest. Beyond the issues with kulaks and collectivization,
the Soviet Union has natural issues as well. Russia- and the USSR- has always had a history
of recurrent droughts. In the summer of 1921, for example, as much as a quarter of all grain
withered away during a drought that affected roughly half of all food-producing regions.
In 1931, parts of the country are now again affected by drought, but this also negatively
affects other regions. In October, People’s Commissar for External and Internal Trade
Anastas Mikoyan issues a declaration calling for that year’s production quotas to still
be met in spite of the drought. This is to be achieved by increasing the expectations
from non-affected areas, expectations which are already often impossible to meet, especially
with the kulaks and their labor now gone. On top of this, the Soviet Union had already increased grain exports, since they are a
means to accumulate the hard currency necessary to purchase foreign goods like weapons or
the machinery needed for the Five Year Plan. Just from 1929 to 1931, German imports of
Soviet grain tripled. Britain imported 26,799 tons of Soviet wheat in 1924, by 1927 it was five
times that- 138,486 tons. By virtue of being the sole communist country on earth, the Soviet
Union ended up exporting to a whole political spectrum of countries, from democratic Netherlands
to Fascist Italy. But the five year plan not only needs to further increase exports to get more hard currency,
concerns about the risk of American saturation of the grain market lead Stalin to write to
FM Vyacheslav Molotov in July 1930 that they must “force the export of grain… that
is the key.” While some economists advise that Stalin wait for prices to rise before
exporting more, their advice is rejected on the basis that the need for hard currency
is urgent and that without any currency reserves there is no time to wait. Grain exports go from 170,000 tons in 1929
to 4.8 million in 1930 to 5.2 million in 1931. That is a 30 fold increase in two years. There
is some awareness within the Soviet leadership about the need to limit exports; Molotov recommends
offering relief to Ukraine, and Lazar Kaganovich, with Molotov in charge of implementing collectivization, acknowledges
that Ukraine will suffer from shortages in 1932- though he does not propose how to fix
that. Some food relief is sent to urban Ukrainian areas like Kiev and Odessa, but in the summer
of 1932, Stanislav Kosior, Ukrainian Communist Party Secretary, informs local Ukrainian
party leaders that just 20 districts of a total of 600 will get any sort of relief.
And the export of grain is enforced by Ukrainian officials, who are told things like they will
be “made personally responsible for the export of rye from the Odessa port.” So the exports and the requisitions have led
to shortages for the locals, and when you combine that with a drought, you get famine. The Soviet authorities institute a series
of policies intended to contribute to requisitioning which also contribute to the worsening of
the famine. In November and December 1932, comes the issuance of chorna doshka- blacklists,
literally “black boards”, which list individuals and villages that are insufficiently productive.
This is also a ban on private trade of goods between farmers. The state is the only authorized
purchaser of farm production, but there had been plenty of small scale local trade going
on anyhow. The new edict results in a total ban on trade of meats and farm goods between
farmers and farms if they are unable to meet their production quota. This is extended to
flour and even to seeds, and this policy is strictly enforced by local police, effectively
dooming Ukrainian farmers living on underproducing farms, which is most of them because of the
wildly unrealistic quotas and the lack of manpower. And the famine becomes the horror of the Holodomor,
which means death or murder by starvation, from the the Ukrainian words holod- for starvation
or famine, and moryty- to cause death. The absence of any food surplus, and then any
food at all because of requisitioning and lack of relief, results in starvation and
total desperation. Peasants, with no other alternatives, eventually resort to eating
dogs, rats, or insects. Boiling grass is not uncommon. There are cases of cannibalism.
For millions of people, there is no hope of survival and they die one of the cruelest
deaths there is, death by starvation. A Soviet official who works in Ukraine on the confiscation policy has this to say: “All
alike: their heads like heavy kernels, their necks skinny as a stork’s, every bone movement
visible beneath the skin on the arms and legs, the skin itself like yellow gauze stretched
over their skeletons. And the faces of those children were old, exhausted, as if they had
already lived on the earth for seventy years. And their eyes, Lord!” The roads leading to Donbass are described
by a lucky survivor: “Dead villagers lay on the roads, along the road and paths. There
were more bodies than people to move them.” Government forces also actively prevent rural
peasants from trying to escape the horror by fleeing to a city or town. You are stuck
in the countryside, and you have no food and no real hope of food. Vassily Grossman, Red Army WW2 correspondent
and novelist, writes in “Everything Flows”: “And we all thought that no fate could be
worse than that of the kulaks. How wrong we were… After the dispossession of the kulaks,
the area of land under cultivation dropped sharply, and so did the crop yield… our
village was given a quota it couldn’t have fulfilled in ten years… Everyone understood
very well: if you fail to fulfill the plan, you’re a kulak yourself- and you should
have been liquidated long ago.” Starvation also impacts the ability to digest food, which results in some people dying from
the act of eating itself, even when they do manage to find food. The hunger also affects
the psychological state of being, destroying group bonds such as those of the family. There
are many cases of family members kicked out of their houses because of the lack of food.
Often, there is a reduced response to the death of relatives. This results in parents
taking food from their children or committing infanticide in extreme cases. Paranoia and
suspicion between starving neighbors becomes the norm. Iaryna Mytsyk notes that while families
had often kept their doors unlocked even during the revolution and the civil war, they stop
doing so during the famine. Ukraine is the place most identified with
the Holodomor. Well, Ukraine is the most agricultural part
of the Soviet Union and has a proportionally larger peasant population, and was traditionally
the breadbasket of the Russian Empire. And many authorities in Moscow also view Ukrainian
peasants as the greatest potential internal political threat to the state, and if the
famine happens to neutralize that threat, so be it. But Ukraine is not the only area to experience
famine and suffering. Central Asia also experiences collectivization and hunger. Food shortages, child starvation, laborers too
weak to work, and a slow agonizing death are seen in places like Kazakhstan, the Volga
Region, and beyond. Actually, the famine is catastrophic for the Kazakhs. Soviet policies
of requisitioning and forced settlement have a devastating impact on Kazakh nomads, with
approximately one third dying, while at the same time having little impact on Slavs in
the Kazakh A.S.S.R.. According to some historians, this is part of a wider effort at Sovietization.
Resistance anywhere to the government policies is pronounced “counterrevolutionary” or
anti-Soviet. The Red Army is sent to suppress such anti-government actions. And the concern that Ukrainian national identity
can contribute to the downfall of the Soviet Union has far-reaching effects. Decrees intended
to combat “Ukrainianization” are not limited to Ukraine but also the northern Caucasus
and Central Asia, both of which have a significant Ukrainian presence. Ukrainian cultural institutions
are closed down, Ukrainian language newspapers are forcibly shut down, and so forth. This
is a reversal of earlier Soviet policies that permitted multilingualism and even encouraged
multiculturalism. In 1920, Lenin sent a telegram to Stalin instructing him to hire Ukrainian
interpreters for the Red Army and to permit the use of Ukrainian on official documents
in order not to lose Ukraine. So that’s gone 180 degrees in the opposite direction. The exact number of people, who died in the
Holodomor has been estimated with low end and high-end estimates between 1.5 million
to as many as ten million deaths. Different regions have differing practices
in terms of record keeping, and you can’t always differentiate between who emigrated,
who died, who moved within a region, who was sent to prison, who died in transit, and who
was forcibly resettled. Also, although records are kept fairly accurately in 1933, future
Soviet demographers will falsify records in order to minimize the number of deaths reported. Recent
studies have used cross referencing to zero in on a number that is now accepted as very
close to accurate; 3.7 million deaths in Ukraine and about 800 thousand in the rest of the
USSR, bringing the total figure to 4.5 million women, men, and children killed. You just have to look at the famine’s effect
on life expectancy to get a feeling. Before 1932, urban Ukrainian men had an average life
expectancy of 40-46 years while that of rural men was 42-44 years. For those born in the
year 1932 this is just 30 years, and for those born in 1933, average life expectancy is 5
years, regardless if one is from the city or the countryside. 5 years. By May 1933, the Kremlin authorizes food
relief to Ukraine. There is also a shift away from a requisitioned quota towards a tax on
the total harvest, though this will be applied unevenly. There is also a decrease in the
number of arrests, partially because of the difficulty of imprisoning the hundreds of
thousands already in detention, but also as a general policy change in order to have sufficient
manpower needed for future harvests. In October 1933, Kosior requests a reduction in Ukraine’s
grain target for the following year. This is approved, and the famine, the Holodomor,
will end. Collectivization, the famine, even the five
year plan- you can look at these and say that this was a war by Josef Stalin’s government
against the people of the Soviet Union. He had defeated his political enemies in the
late 1920s, but he still had- in theory- internal ones. The kulaks, the wealthier farmers unwilling
to bow to collectivization, they are now gone. The ethnic minorities like the Kazakhs and
Ukrainians that may threaten his state? They are annihilated and neutralized by the famine.
And Stalin now has hard currency from exports to equip his army, the army that brutally
suppresses any local dissent or uprising. But as the decade unfolds, Stalin will realize
that the only possible remaining internal threat left to his power is that army, and
yet he will need that army if he is to expand his power and influence to the former territories
of the Tsarist Empire, to East Asia, and beyond, and that dichotomy will guide his actions
and his thoughts as his regime becomes ever more paranoid, ever more ruthless, and ever
close to violent conflict with the outside world. If you want to learn more about why Stalin
was so worried about Ukraine, check out our episode about the Polis-Soviet war and the
attempts of the Ukraine to stay independent right here. Our patron of the week is Debra
Kirschner. Thanks to Debra and the TimeGhost Army, we can make more videos just like this.
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  1. This might have been one of the hardest episodes we have written, both historically and emotionally. Nothing could ever do justice to the millions of men, women and children who suffered, starved and died during this episode of history. Let us never forget them. We acknowledge that this topic is surrounded by many opposing agendas, myths so that talking about it can get emotional. This is why, as should be known by now, will UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES tolerate any kind of Stalinist apologism, falsification of known facts, or outright denial of the Holodomor. The sources, which are clearly presented in our video, the description and in this comment, are unequivocal about the events covered in this episode. Anywhere were there is an assumption based on deduction from these facts, we mention it. Keep that in mind when discussing this under the episode. We will moderate any comments that can’t abide to these clear and simple rules.

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    – Watstein, Joseph, 'The Role of Foreign Trade in Financing Soviet Modernization,' in: The American Journal of Economics and Sociology 29-3 (1970) 305–319.
    – Wolowyna et al., ‘Regional Variations of 1932–1934 Famine Losses in Ukraine’.

  2. Living in Eastern Europe sucked so much back then. Even if u managed to survive the horrors of the famines and purges you are more than likely going to either be conscripted to fight the Axis or be executed by them.

  3. Picture @17:05 is from great Deccan drought brought about by Britain by following exact same policy when exporting grains at the peak of drought. You can clearly see that by Indic feature and dress

  4. As high as 10 million deaths is just unbelievable. The Soviets just let or forced their country to starve because of quotas that were impossible. And on top of that, eventfully the purges by Stalin will make the number even higher than that of the Holocausts. Its makes you speechless, and no way to defend the USSR. History is truly the greatest ally today, when people try to denied stuff or don't know what they are talking about.

  5. I'm just wondering how people could live through horrendous stuff like this and not get fed up and revolt. Even with literal pitchforks and nothing else.

  6. Guys, could you provide actual numbers of 3% of Russian farmers and 14% of Ukrainian farmers? How many people exactly you are talking about? I'm not really into arguing about Holodomor, it is useless, but this argument you mentioned looks strange. Take 3% from let say 50 millions and 14% from 7 millions, you get about 1,5 mln and 1 million. The actual number may be vary different due to climate and cultural differences between two countries. Ukrainians might simply have more farmers than Russia because it is more profitable in there. Next you have to know the dynamic of this rural population, for example in Russia people flew from villages to cities so it resulted in some cases to local government to issue measures to prevent them to move to the city. So communist party had to declare that they had not to interfere to that process, it helped to perform industrialization plans. The famine was everywhere that time, you could not expect it not to be, since the revolution civil war and oppression by new regime.

  7. It's sad that you have to put a use info spot about denying this stuff.
    Hey! Can you imagine collectivist musicians? "Da! All play same song. Once more with feeling…or die".

  8. The two most destructive forms of piracy in modern times are crony corporatism and crony collectivism. Both proxies for what Owell exposed as oligarchical collectivism.
    You could add militarism or imperialiam but that would complicate the point that a a left boot
    or a right boot stomping on a human face forever.
    are equally sadistic variants. Orwell knew before anyone that hitler was financed to be the greater evil losing to stalin's lesser of evils and promoting corporatism as the least barbaric evil.

  9. This is such a tragic episode for Ukrainian farmers and others that suffered the famine. We also have to put blame on the ones who denied the existence of the man made famine. Like Walter Duranty of the NY Times, and other westerners such as George Bernard Shaw and H. G. Wells, or French Prime Minister Édouard Herriot.

  10. 😢 What happened during this period of history is beyond our understanding, not having lived as part of the Soviet Union. Stalin saw the need to modernise agriculture which had remained very much on medieval thinking of individual farms. Thus the principle of creating larger farms was sound, much as had happened in Britain during the Agricultural Revolution of the 18th century and elsewhere during the following century. However, the means of implementing the five year plan were grotesque in the extreme and completely indefensible. When politicians assume to themselves all understanding of human behaviour the result is paranoia taken to the ultimate level. Stalin was one such politician unable to free himself from his status as a non Russian, leading to his mental collapse into fear and desperation. Few of us in the West know just how much the people of Russia and the later USSR have suffered in the last century and a half due to internal failings and external attacks. Yet it was due, in large part, to the efforts of Soviet military forces that the evil of Nazism was defeated. History is never clear cut with good always on one side and bad always on the opposite side.

    P.S The sudden appearance of advertising in the middle of your lecture was disruptive to the narrative. Given the appalling nature of the subject being presented, being urged to accept modern commercial activities is most unfortunate.

  11. Thank you, Indy and the TimeGhost team for this video. My grandfather was the only family member of 11 who survived Holodomor. He was 9 and he lived next to Cherkasy in central Ukraine. My grandmother spent her childhood next to the border with Western Ukraine that was a part of Poland. Her family managed to remain alive thanks to the Ukrainians who secretly brought food through the underground tunnels bypassing the border control. Germans were Nazi in 40-s but then they publically acknowledged their crimes. A century after the Holodomor, neither the Soviets nor their successors have ever confessed to the atrocities they committed.

  12. My Father as a POW during the Second World War … In Germany they ate what ever protein the they could get.

  13. So …only allowed to comment as long as we COMPLETELY agree with your point …. no questioning …only agreement …. I just unsubscribed this

  14. Indy good job, your work is very valuable, I know that the subject of Holodomor is controversial, depressive, and a lot of people live in denial of its existence.
    Stalin was horrible, pro-Russian propaganda try by all means to discredit the Holodomor by caricaturing that all Ukrainian was the collaborator of Nazi, while the truth is much complicated, and I hope you will highly this in future videos, especially when boarding the UPA.
    Ukrainian never forgets this to this very day, it one of the most painful episodes of Ukrainian history, if not the most painful.
    Greetings from Ukraine. by the way, I am not Ukrainian just an expat living there, and married to Ukrainian.

  15. Will we get a video about Lapua movement (fascist movement) including their attempt to commit coup on the Finnish government in 1932

  16. My grandpa‘s family (he was 12 in 1933) survived Holodomor in Ukraine only because the grandpa’s deaf-mute uncle was brave and smart enough to play insane when Communists would come to take food from his house. He literally did run around the house with an axe in his hands pretending a psycho. And then during the night he used to bring some scarce food he managed to secure this way to my grandpa‘s family. Thus they survived. I remember stories of whole Ukrainian villages empty after this Genocide made by Communists.

  17. I am a Texan who has lived in Kyiv and I have heard first hand from the actual survivors of "Stalin's favorite and first Atomic bomb" the Holodomor, those stories that I have had told to me tell of Horrors Far Far beyond the scope of what has been touched upon in this video and when I hear some Millennial, snowflake or other communist sympathizer talking about their modern communism I so Deeply want those individuals to spend One Hour with those jewels of Ukraine so they might Truly and Fully comprehend the reality of communism!

  18. We should be naming roads, schools and universities after people like Indy! Thank you again for hard work you do

  19. Very informative video. Also, I heard that before the Holodomor, Ukranian intellectuals in Kiev were arrested by the soviet government.

  20. Marxists have issues following these few simple rules:

    Honour thy mother and father. (only love the state and its dictates)
    Thou shalt not kill. (kill class-based enemies of the state)
    Thou shalt not commit adultery. (only love the state and its dictates)
    Thou shalt not steal. ("OUR state owns everything, comrade!")
    Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. (collective guilt for all enemies of the state)
    Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife. (only love the state and its dictates)

    Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods. ("OUR goods, comrade–OURS!")

    Of course, they also fail to follow the other three rules:

    I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not take strange gods before thee. (worship wealth, over against one's self as dumb, blind, deaf matter)
    Take not the Lord thy God's name in vain. (2 + 2 = 5, after state dictated Truth, where "speech = violence" under Dialectical Materialism)
    Keep holy the Lord's day. (work is rest, as work is no longer defined under state Truth)

  21. This was one of the hardest things I've ever watched. I feel so emotionally drained and needed a hug throughout the entire video. Yet I've never heard anything about this before, and that's almost as tragic.

  22. My Oma was a child when this happened. She had to flee with what was left of her family because my Great-Opa and her brothers were killed for owning a mill.


    Interesting speech by Putin and Chabad about Holodomor

  24. This has little coverage. The atrocities of Stalin and the Communists in general are overshadowed by the Nazis. Not much on Japan's massacres either.

  25. My question is why do schools ignore this? Why does the Holocaust get so much attention yet this atrocity gets ignored? My only guess is because teachers tend to lean left and want to avoid ANY topic that makes socialism look bad.

    Also we STILL see the effect of this atrocity today, it's the reason Eastern Ukraine is majority Russian and why Crimea is now apart of Russia.

  26. Greetings, TimeGhost History team. As always, thanks for an interesting episode. I have a small question about terminology. You say that denial of Holodomor is not allowed and it's, in fact, understandable. So, i'd like to ask your opinion about official position of today's Russia about this topic. Russian officials mourned the victims and condemned the policy of soviet leaders of that time, but at the same time they refused to accept that it was an intentional genocide. They claim that it was a tragedy of all soviets, while West mostly talks only about Ukraine*. On the one hand, they don't deny that it actually happened. On the other hand, they disagree with your main** point of an episode. So, do you view that as a denial? Or is it an alternative opinion?

    * Some may argue that it's because (as you've shown in the episode) Ukraine lost much more people in comparison to other territories. This argument is understandable, but considering current Russia-Ukraine relationships, some may dismiss it as politicized.
    ** The way i see it (and i may be wrong, feel free to correct me), you concentrate attention on the idea that it was an intentional genocide, which is also proved by "Holocaust" in the title and "famine, designed to kill millions" in description.

  27. Making money off of the starvation and death of millions of Russians, and then that communist government became the ally of the United States. This sheds new light on those old photographs of Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin. I AM SURE SATAN WAS SMILING.

  28. This is turning out to be such a fascinating series. And this video has definitely influenced my view of history, leading me to firmer conclusions in places where I had previously been more inclined to give the Stalin regime the benefit of the doubt.

    How this plugs into my overall world view: Hard-line, dogmatic adherence to ideologies—ANY ideologies—is absolutely deadly. In fact, it was probably the deadliest element in human behavior throughout the Twentieth Century.

  29. Commies been trying to cover this up and deny it for years. Control of history is how they control the mind. They have our youth believing that Trump has murdered more people than Stalin. These terrible events unleashed upon mankind by communists and socialists in the 20th century murdered hundreds of millions and this is not taught in schools. They still teach our children that "National Socialism" was a right wing idea.

  30. I think the ethnic 'Ukrainian genocide' argument falls apart when putting together the facts from this very video only.
    1) You yourself mentioned that Ukraine had the highest proportion of agricultural population, and that the other areas were also badly affected
    2) The output goals for each farm were set by the local (Ukrainian) government
    3) The laws were enforced by the local (also presumably Ukrainian) police force
    4) The relief effort when it arrived (late) was organised by the central govt. Why would they call the 'planned' 'genocide' off?
    5) "All official records were falsified" argument is something that the Holocaust deniers would use, but here we are. Even if they falsified some for show, they had to have some for themselves for actual statistical inference.
    I think drawing the false parallel between all mass death events in history and the genocides like Armenian or Holocaust devalues the latter and does a disservice to history. I'm awaiting to see whether this channel will also try to spin the Bengali famine as a Holocaust of 'disloyal Indians', otherwise I'm calling hypocrisy.
    Also on the comment policy: "this is a highly politicised complicated issue" … "that's why we have picked a side and will ban all the comments that don't agree with the sources we have arbitrarily selected!"

  31. Time Ghost Story,what do you mean by 'the hardest episode'? You are saying that millions of people were died for Operation Holodomor,yet you are commanding us to stay polite!? Indeed,you haven't the power and courage to tell the truth simply,that's why you think it is the hardest. It means you don't respect the innocent people's souls who died for the deliberate famine. The great people like Comrade Trotsky and Comrade Lenin fought hunger and tyranny. Just think,if you can't get food for 1 week,what will happen,you will be mad for hunger,the ideology and other pseudo honesty will disappear in one second and you will start thinking only about food. Holodomor is a great scandal for humanity and Communism. After reading this,you can delete my 'damn' comment but I don't care.

  32. Sadly this is happening again in China against a number of Ethnic Groups including Uighar Muslims. Concentration Camps now exist, a Sterilization program seem be going into practice, and even 'forced' marriage with non muslim Chinese men, let alone the numbers that are directly killed, and even used for the sadly confirmed organ harvesting program going on in China. Where they use live political prisoners for "fresh" organs, ie they kill them.

  33. This episode literally brought tears to my old eyes; to see these extremely hardworking honest people denied the most basic human rights, to be starved to death by communist cowards who turned their backs on their own people, hurts my heart! As a boy I knew hunger all too well, not the type of hunger that killed these millions, but I did go without food for weeks at a time. Even though I was starving, I never once stole food, I did however, (much to my shame) eat out of trashcans to survive, more often than not I only got sick from the putrid food. In real life you never come across one of those kindly people that you see in the movies that offer you half of their sandwich, you just get suspicious and disgusted looks from them. When I was a boy I lost my family, in turn causing me to be homeless and, in a short time I was literally starving. (I won't get into the details of how this all came about, as the causes are truly reprehensible) Although this occurred in "The Land of Plenty", AKA The United States of America; to my knowledge, in those days there were little to no real obtainable governmental programs for situations of this type, (even if there were, how would a homeless child go about resourcing them?!) Sadly, the reality is that when you are a homeless child not even your blood relations what to know you any longer, much less help you. Although I was allowed to stay and even eat at two of my cousins homes for a short time, I was told to leave for various reasons; truthfully, no one really wanted the burden of another mouth to feed , nor did they see it as their responsibility. Or, to Paraphrase Cain: "to be their brothers keeper".  Thankfully, I was able to find a technically illegal job, (as I was well underage) at a local filling station with "under the table" wages and was able to sleep in the backroom after working hours. Although I only had enough money to eat three out of seven days, the job did lead to better opportunities and my story had a relatively happy ending, unlike these criminally treated innocent Ukrainians! If you have never been hungry, or starving this is what happens; you can actually feel your body "screaming" out for food! Then, when that abates, you can actually feel your body feeding off of itself… it only worsens from there. Ever since my days of severe hunger, when ever I saw/see a beggar I ALWAYS offer to take them for some coffee and a hot lunch or dinner, if they only want the money then they aren't really hungry or starving, just scamming. Beginning in the '80's at Christmas time I started to run a free food service for the homeless, I wish I could afford to do it all year, but I simply can not.

  34. As a Ukrainian I would like to say big thank you to you Indy and to everyone who worked on this episode.
    The whole generation was wiped away by the brutal Stalin regime and yet there are people here in Ukraine who are completely ignorant of that and who are brainwashed by the Soviet and Russian propaganda to the point that they miss Stalin as a true leader of the nation.
    I hope more people will become aware of the atrocities our nation went through. This horrific page of our history must never be forgotten

  35. My Ukrainian grandparents who are still alive had to escape both the russians and the nazis, eventually settling in Brazil where my dad was born and met my mother.

    Their stories about hiding from nazis, getting caught at one point and being sent to a work camp, being separate for months at a time…
    My great grandfather also told us when we were kids about how he was forced into the ussr army

    It honestly just gives me such an empty feeling. For one race of people to take away the food and nearly make another extinct, it's just a shame.

    If God exists, I hope he can find some way to forgive humanity's inhumanity

  36. My Grandfather had said that BEFORE communism, grain from Ukraine, fed the entire Mediterranean region. After the communist take over it didn't. Ukraine was one of the wealthiest regions Of the world.

  37. Please re-upload as I am finding it difficult to run. All other episodes are glitch free. Thanks for this wonderful series.

  38. Stalin was a complete traitor to the revolution, and to Lenin. As you can see in this video, Stalin went completely 180 on many of the things Lenin and Trotsky believed in. Just try to imagine how the world would’ve looked like if Trotsky became leader, and Soviet Democracy and pure Democratic Centralism continued?

  39. Oddly I remember being taught about the extermination of the Kulaks in the Ukraine, Belorussia and Russia while I was in high school in the US in the 1960's. We were told that the death toll ranged from 2 to 5 million people. Some of this information was released as part of Khrushchev's campaign to discredit Stalin, some was gleaned by western historians. The concentration of deaths in the Ukraine was not taught.

  40. Similar situation occurred in capitalist America in the same time period, this was the depression era. Millions also dies of starvation, deaths of despair, suicide here in America, though the US govt has tried to whitewash how bad it got, especially for folks living in rural America. Millions of farms were seized by the banks because of unpaid debts due to the depression. Situation was made worse because while people were starving the excess food was destroyed to protect business interests. Woo hoo capitalism!
    The situation was just as complicated in Soviet Union/Ukraine.

  41. This was such a grim episode. In fantasy we always try to make things as grim and dark as we can so we can be "realistic". But man… reality will always trump anything man can conceive and make it grim and dark beyond imagination.

  42. History Matters also has a video on the Holodomor and he mention's that many kulaks and other Ukrainians were sent to gulags and ironically got bigger rations than those left in the Ukrainian cities.

  43. The People talking about Holodomor of 1932-33, but let's not forget that there was Holodomor in 1921-23 and 1946-47. My grandmother have born in 1940 near Kharkiv city. She told me some stories from Holodomor in 1946 right after WW2. The First story was like a Soviet police came into the house to my grandmother and they were looked for grain because some local people had said they cut off spikelets of grain and took it back home. Next story was about like they didn't had what to eat and every children from the family ( back then Ukrainian families have around 6-8 children's in average ) went around and looked for some food at the field. Also she told like great-grandmother cooked some bouillon or soup from the grass and the all family ate such food. After what my grandmother came through she always have a piece of bread on the table in memories of what had happened. Thank you for great video

  44. Do you know of any studies trying to compare the Holodomor with Mao's Great Leap Forward? Because what you've described here, sounds awefully familiar to what the Chinese Communits did between 1958 and 1962.

  45. The ripples of this has expanded to the present in that the land was transferred to those that Stalin approved. This was partially finalized when Putin sent in the Red Army. Will Putin tolerate a NATO member in the Ukraine?

  46. I don't know who would deny this historical event? Turks weren't involved, and the Russians tend to recognize the horrible atrocities of the former Soviet regime. I wish you would have the same zero tolerance for the Armenian Genocide, which has many more deniers.

  47. I own a 1940 Russian rifle. Communism built it and used it to oppress people. Now capitalism gave me the opportunity to purchase it, and use it to defend my freedom. I often think of this when I hold it as my ancestors are from Ukraine.

  48. Man, I have tears I my eyes, God bless the souls of those who died under such horrible circumstances. Thanks for honoring the memories of these unknown communist's victims.

  49. I know when I present this information to my "Democratic-Socialist" friends, they will say that the Holodomor was a result of Stalin executing an unspoken war against those who he thought could stand up to him, and not Socialism. What would you say to them?

  50. And the media attempts to claim the U.S. is a police state . These U.S. people will truly weep if they ever see a police state and the ones promoting this lie in the U.S. will deserve it .

  51. Good to see this video is back. I wanted to share it with someone and YouTube had it removed for "violence". What a joke… it was probably a disgruntled Antifa member LOL

  52. Stuff Youtube for taking down this video and for deleting anti-Soviet comments. The extent to which the genocides of the first half of the 20th century are obfuscated disgusts me.

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