The Fight to Restrict Abortion Could Cost Republicans the 2020 Election



in the three years since President Trump took office women's rights have had some serious setbacks ten states have all but completely outlawed abortion and the clinics would provided a multitude of reproductive services have been shuttered the Violence Against Women Act expired and has not been renewed in Congress and of course the ER a the Equal Rights Amendment has yet to be passed the push for liberation and gender equality that started in the 60s and 70s seems to have reversed course and the hoped for equality and prosperity for men and women has been losing ground the dystopian fiction of The Handmaid's Tale seems to be becoming our new reality in order to discuss these issues and more I'm speaking with feminist icon Katherine Spiller she is the executive editor of MS magazine and co-founder and executive director of the feminist majority foundation Katherine thank you so much for joining us oh thank you now although I want to talk to you about the state of reproductive rights I was hoping our conversation could be a bit more wide-ranging and touch on some of the other issues feminists are engaging with today is that okay sure okay great now it seems that we're in the middle of a culture war with progressive ideas socialized medicine gun controls supporting LGBTQ rights on one side and more conservative and even regressive values on the other like restricting a woman's right to choose or Mike Pence's religious freedom laws which actually make it legal to discriminate against LGBT people and feminists find themselves right on the frontlines of this war our country feels like it's being pulled apart is this war on reproductive rights and abortion a part of this culture war or is it something deeper oh it's definitely part of the culture war that's being waged by overwhelmingly Republicans who hold disproportionate shares of our Congress and our state legislatures and some of the governorships but let's be very clear the American people long ago came to the conclusion that equality between women and men was a fundamental principle of our democracy and that women should have access to reproductive health care including abortion and birth control this is not a debate within the American public this is a debate by those men Republican pan overwhelmingly who hold power who are using their power in an effort to pass these kinds of laws at which I think is becoming increasingly clear that the laws are intended to punish women not to protect women not to achieve any kind of a health care outcome but simply to punish women now it's interesting you mentioned Republicans because nikki Haley former US ambassador took the stage at a keynote speech last week at an anti-abortion groups annual gala saying that allowing women to have autonomy over their bodies is quote not real feminism how do you respond to that I think feminists all across this country and frankly all around the world would significantly disagree having the ability to make decisions about your own health care about whether or not you're going to continue a pregnancy about whether or not you ever become pregnant is so fundamental to human rights and to women's autonomy in the rest of their lives how can you pursue an education if you might become pregnant and have to interrupt that education how can you pursue work how how can you chase your dreams if you don't have this most fundamental right to determine whether or not you're going to be pregnant so it she could not be more wrong and frankly the vast majority of people not only in this country but all around the world disagree with her she's out of step as our most Republicans in positions of power they're simply out of step with people now the most far-reaching of these laws is an Alabama where Republican governor kiv recently signed a bill making it a felony in the state for a doctor to perform at performing abortion in nearly all cases and nikki Haley herself signed a 20-week limit on abortions while she was governor of South Carolina what kind of impact do you see this happening having a women and what was it like when abortion was illegal in the United States well before Roe vs. Wade was decided by the Supreme Court a abortion was illegal in most states of this country and even in places like California or New York where abortion laws had been liberalized women still had to essentially say that if they weren't able to get an abortion they would commit suicide or there was mentally something wrong with that and so you had to humiliate yourself just to seek access to this fundamental health care we can't go back in fact we won't go back already there are many alternatives to back-alley abortions that women suffered through and risk their lives and some women gave their lives in pursuit of their own autonomy there's now medication abortion which are pills which are widely available all over the world and will become more and more available whether or not Republican governors sign these restrictive laws already women are receiving these pills through mail order and many women all over the world receive them through mail order so they can't stop abortion by simply passing restrictive laws all they can do is make women seek more desperate situations in some cases but women will seek abortion and women will have abortions the ten states with the most restrictive laws on abortion actually have the highest maternal mortality rates meaning giving birth is actually dangerous to women in those states and this number is particularly high for black women the CDC just released a report showing most pregnancy related deaths are preventable is closing these clinics in these states hurting women and how can these states that are pro-life of a fetus also be pro-life of a mother if they keep shutting down clinics that offered gynecological care well that's the hypocrisy behind these laws that are being passed you know up until just recently they kept saying that these were for the health and safety of women so that they could improve the medical conditions of these clinics which by the way abortion is probably one of the safest if not the safest of health care services in this country death or injury abortion is an complications very very very rare so they were already telling a lie that they were trying to make these services safer but now it's very clear that isn't even their goal they're shutting clinics everywhere so that women have no access in some parts of the country to reproductive health care services and they're putting in penalties of life imprisonment felonies for a woman in Georgia if this law was to become effective she can't even leave the state to seek an abortion in another state where abortion would be legal and that's the other point that I want to make is none of these laws are going to go into effect they're passing these laws as a message to their base but they're they are not going to go into effect these laws are unconstitutional they will be struck down as unconstitutional by district courts they will be struck down as unconstitutional by appeals courts and I doubt very seriously that Chief Justice Roberts of the Supreme Court wants to entertain one of these laws they simply want to keep chipping away of abortion they really don't want to have to deal with this question of outlawing abortion entirely so what you're describing to me is that these Republican politicians are passing these laws to pander their Vandor to their base this sounds like a really cynical political maneuver on their part they may think this is going to help their base but I think they've overplayed their hand with these laws what they have done is wake up women who maybe haven't voted before or didn't think their vote mattered very much and we're seeing in the public opinion polls there is going to be a severe backlash to these Republicans who are passing these punitive restrictive bans on abortion 79 percent of people in this country do not want to see abortion made illegal and the strongest opinions on this the most passionate opinions are held among women and young people those are the constituencies that the Republicans have been losing an election after election women are voting against Republicans and four Democrats and young people vote by a two-to-one margin for Democrats these laws are scaring people they thought that the anti-abortion movement was just going to continue down a path of chipping away they have now revealed their hand and I think they've overplayed it and so I think this is going to show up in the 2020 elections in a major way Republicans are risking forever becoming the minority party in this country if they don't correct course and consider the impact that these restrictions have on women's lives all across the country now I'm glad you mentioned that they're women who are getting out to vote and that they're women who are interested in running for office because in the 1990s you launched an initiative the I think it's the feminization of power campaign and it was intended to inspire women to run for a political office and last year we saw this massive increase in women running for office so first let me ask you how important is female representation in Congress and second how close are we to gender parity in government well you're right the feminist majority started actually in 1987 with a campaign to encourage more feminists to run for office at the local level at that national level realizing how underrepresented women are at the decision-making tables when laws are passed when budgets are decided when social safety net programs are put in place are chipped away and without a vote at the table we can't have an impact on our lives as a whole and so encouraging more feminists and more women to run for office was critical we started in the late 80s early 1990s with women's representation in Congress at less than 5% that's now at about 23% but we're still not anywhere near parity and parity is 50 percent we're 50 percent of the people of this country we should have equal representation and does it make a difference you bet it does look at what's happening in Nevada for example women are now a slight majority of the entire legislature 52% it's the only state legislature in the country and in the history of the United States where women have had an equal voice of the tables let's know what are they doing they're addressing pay inequality they're addressing the lack of child care but most importantly in some ways they have gone the opposite direction of Georgia and Alabama and Louisiana they are putting in place stronger laws on abortion rights than they have historically had so that's the impact that equal representation will have and we see it in every issue in every state where women are underrepresented than most as in Alabama and Louisiana and Georgia these horrific laws get put into place where women have greater representation we have better laws that meet the needs of women throughout their lives now let me probable to Mai's this question what happens to the feminist movement when it's women like nikki Haley or governor Kate IV who are elected to office to represent women well look they're going to be women who feel it's in their interest to be the apologists for patriarchy for male-dominated laws and a system who are perfectly comfortable sitting on a cabinet president Trump's cabinet I think is down to three women out of the entire cabinet the the and when one or two people of color they're simply it's it's a bunch of old white men if you look at those cabinet meetings look around the room but they're perfectly comfortable because they don't they feel privileged they and frankly they feel you know what if I can make it anyone can make it not recognizing some of the privileges that they've had along the way so they become apologists and you know they're always gonna be apologists who want to explain why things are the way they are that men are just more equipped for public office that women really have this responsibility of child rearing that some from competition and after all that's the reason they're not getting paid equally which of course is not the facts so you know we just have to understand that that will happen but the vast majority of women in this country identify as feminists and the younger the demographic the more likely they are to not only identify as feminists but to want full equality and to want it now now the momentum from the year of the woman looks like it's going to continue into the presidential campaign but the Pew Research Center showed that the percentage of white women who voted for Trump was actually 47 percent compared to 45 percent for Hillary Clinton what would you say to those female voters to inform them to make sure they don't vote for president Trump again actually the white women split their votes those numbers are all within the margin of error there's no question they split their votes white women are more likely to be in higher income brackets and some of the voting patterns obviously are related to your economic status but the majority of women in this country especially women of color black women Latinas across the board have a very negative opinion of this president are likely to vote against him and against Republicans in this next election and the more they double down on these anti-woman laws the more they aggravate this base across the country especially among young women so it's we've just got to make sure that women understand what's at stake in this election and that without more women in elective office and and without Democrats both in the majority of the House and the Senate that we're going to continue to face these kinds of horrific laws that we all oppose so my last question to you is this we once again have a woman running for president in fact we have a couple women running for president which is historic in itself so is America ready for a female president and what kind of challenges do you think a female nominee might face and if you had any for them what would you give them well I will not even pretend to give advice to the likes and comely Harrison Warren and Amy Klobuchar and Kirsten Gillibrand they're running hard and they're running on the issues which is just critically critically important you know part of the problem is too often the media is chasing what they consider to be the leading horse and the horse race and so people are not necessarily getting to hear all of the arguments the extraordinary thing I think about the women who are running as lawyer they prepared they have they have gone overboard to make sure people understand what they stand for and what they're running on unlike some other of their male counterparts who are simply apparently running on their personalities but look I do think that women have been women and Americans generally are prepared to see women in the oval office as president we've elected more women as governors in this last round of elections than ever before women are winning these seats in Congress and in the house and in the Senate it was this huge pickup in women in the house that gave Democrats the majority we are watching as Speaker Nancy Pelosi just as extraordinary in terms of leadership and her exercise of power we really I do think that the more that we see women in leadership positions the more likely people are to vote for women and running for president and you know it's about time it is about time absolutely Katherine I want to thank you so much for joining me today well thank you so much these issues are so critical for people to understand thank you for the chance absolutely my name is taya Graham and I want to thank you for joining me at the real news network

Maurice Vega

29 Responses

  1. The laws are not just to punish women. Mainly they are to increase the white population. Note that the new laws have been passed in whiter states.

  2. "Feminist icon" for whom exactly? Ms. Magazine was used by the CIA for decades to take the radical class consciousness out of feminism. Seems like little has changed for Spillar as she praises corporate slime like Nancy Pelosi and Kamala Harris who oppose bills that would help women on the regular. If this is iconic of feminism then count me out.

    "The vast majority of women identify as feminist" is also a desperate self-serving delusion; Gallup polls demonstrate on a regular basis the decline of the feminist movement since the early '90s. It ranges from a very weak majority to not even a majority at all. It's clear that "what happens to the feminist movement" when corporate bootlicking females are elected to office while feminism pretends they speak for all women is that it makes vast numbers of people disillusioned with feminism. In the real world established by numerous opinion polls, the younger the woman the LESS LIKELY she is to identify as a feminist. A strong majority of Millennial women do not identify as feminists.

  3. Women do not have a right to murder! A baby in the womb is a separate life from the mother. If a woman does not want to get pregnant, she can use one of many types of birth control. It is her responsibility to use birth control or abstain from sex if she does not want to get pregnant. Once pregnant, regardless of how it happened, she must protect her baby from harm the best that she can. If she does not want the baby, then she should put it up for adoption. Engaging in abortion is not birth control, it is 'premeditated first degree murder' of an unborn child. Life is the most precious thing that exists, murdering a baby for convenience is an abomination against the precious experience of life. The only one’s supporting abortion are those already born; if they were in the womb, they would not support the barbaric act of abortion. If you do not want to get pregnant, use birth control. Murdering the precious life of a baby for your irresponsible sexual activity is a crime beyond words…

  4. The one billion humans without the intelligence to earn a living wage, why are they allowed to slowly starve to death? Because seven billion sinners refuse to feed them.
    Why do we have a 50% working poor? Because we have a greed driven more intelligent upper-half of society hoarding all the land, wealth, political power and healthcare.

  5. There is a simple solution that is rarely mentioned and not mentioned in this video…the point of contention is having Taxpayer Money fund abortions. Everyone knows abortions will continue, its not possible to stop nor desired to be stopped. Its ONLY the Funding that makes many people feel as though they are being forced to support abortion by forcing their money to fund. This all could simply come to an end by removing the taxpayer money angle

  6. Should the rich go to jail for refusing to give nourishment and shelter to the homeless in their mansions? And so, let us end the hypocrisy of declaring that women must give nourishment and shelter to the unborn in their bodies to fulfill a legal obligation.
    For in the eyes of heaven and man's law, child bearing clearly is a freewill act of love.

  7. Banning abortion is beyond government interference. Removing citizen rights is authoritarianism 101. If you can't even trust your fellow citizens to make choices about their own families and health, then you have no place in America. There's nothing moral about criminalizing abortion. We already went through that nightmare and realized legal access to abortion was a not only a right but a moral obligation. After Roe v Wade, the number of dead women and girls ceased nearly overnight. No more finding dead mothers in alleys, hallways, cheap motel rooms, even in their own homes as they bled to death because of botched abortions, sometimes with husbands and male partners who had tried to assist. If you want a return to that, there is something very wrong with you. Especially when you consider that most people having abortions already have children. Birth control is not always effective. Health risks arise. Stop presuming you know what's best for others and you have the answers for them. You don't and you're not morally superior to anyone. Everyone loves their family. You're not some holier-than-thou exception. You know what's best for your family only. If you want to survive under religious tyranny and moral hypocrisy, there are other countries you can do that. This is America. We prefer democracy, self determination, free will, and allowing people to make their own choices about what works best for their families and health.

  8. I wish she would mention progressive woman candidates like Tulsi Gabbard; or progressives like AOC, Rashida Tlaib, or Ilhan Omar

  9. "Women" like the governor of Alabama, Ayn Rand, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, etc., set women back 60 years, when we were subservient to men and/or tried to emulate them. They do NOT represent true feminine values, which are for basic human rights and fiscal policy for public purpose.

  10. Making Progressives The Enemy
    "The truth of the matter is that the Zionists are hell-bent on moving the world backwards: back to the days when racist conquest was mistaken for the spread of civilization, when efforts to institutionalize standards of human and civil rights were seen as impingements on sovereignty, back to the days when no one gave a second thought to oppressed peoples (including oppressed Jews)."

    http://tothepointanalyses.com/making-progressives-the-enemy/?fbclid=IwAR0ebXAngJpSZY0-WdB-zOgfqWnGsmYzqkYMP4A69kqbHrTI6WqjSpWM4Ow

  11. Bollocks! Social abortion (well over 90 percent of all abortions) is a form of legalized murder. Why can't we have socialism without the infanticide.

  12. I loved everything this woman said until she praised Nancy Pelosi. It makes me really wonder about her now! Only because Nancy Pelosi is one of the biggest problems that we have in our government right now! No she is not doing anything right! Please don't be the kind of woman that's going to praise all women just because they're a woman! There are some evil women out there too just like the men!

  13. This lady is really on the ball I swear she really understands what's going on! Thank you so much for having her on the show. And thank you to her for coming on and spending her time with us. Thank you thank you thank you for all the information.

  14. This is the thing it's like she says 79% of the people want to be able to keep these abortion laws in operation they don't want them stopped! When are we going to have a government that listens to the will of the people!? Not their fucking donors!

  15. Yeah it's almost like the Republicans forget that half the population are women! And we are finding our power! These asshole Republicans need to wake up to the fact that they can't take our rights away! Not without actual retribution!

  16. Decades ago I went to PPH for all types of services for women by women. I received birth control pills there, blood work etc. they used a sliding scale for payment. You showed prove of income for payment and that is where I would get birth control. PPH is not just about having an abortion it's about preventing pregnancy. What I'm confused about is closing these facilities will make it hard for women who can't afford healthcare from a primary doctor. The hypocracy of being pro-life, but the Republicans have no problem killing children and condoning rape when the US goes to War under the guise of "Democracy". You can't have it both ways. Saying rape and incest are ok and you must have a child you don't want is just crazy. What will they do with their mistresses?

  17. This is a completely false narrative. This will NOT cost the Republicans the election. SB0025 will cost the Democrats the election. 9 month abortions are atrocities against humanity. Before this "unbiased" reporting gets this bullshit narrative rolled out, consider who paid for SB0025. Yes…mental health of the mother? Surely the Chinese Communist Party that paid to get SB0025 passed along with the other pieces of shit Commie Democraps.
    Now just imagine Killary won the election and allowed the Chinese to invade (see 100,000 troops in the San Madres Mountains) and what these wonderful lads would do to political dissidents.
    Winner winner chicken dinner: yes they can declare the men and women mentally ill and now they have control over your body and they can abort your baby for you. How convenient for them.
    Fuck those baby butchering scumbag Democraps taking $$$$$$$$$$ from the Chinese. And fuck their 9 month abortions. They should be the ones locked into FEMA camps so they can be reeducation to become human again.
    I want to see them get Chris Hedges on here to defend SB0025
    GTFOH

  18. There's an actual study that stated that if abortion was illegal the black population would be more than double and Republicans would pretty much never be elected ever again.

  19. There are no rights that men have that women don't. And keep in mind that nearly half of all women are pro-life.

  20. Too many women (mainly conservative and religious right) willing to vote against their own reproductive rights, I don't see it tilting the election.

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