Tech Billionaires: Life Is A Simulation, And We Want To Escape


ARE WE LIVING IN THE MATRIX? SOME OF THE BIGGEST TECH
BILLIONAIRES ARE SAYING IT IS POSSIBLE. THIS COMES FROM THE NEW YORKER. THEY ALSO CITE THIS ARTICLE
FROM THE INDEPENDENT. ELON MUSK HAS SPOKEN ABOUT THIS. SO, BASICALLY WE BETTER HOPE WE
ARE LIVING IN THE MATRIX OR ELSE THIS IS ALL COMING TO
A CRIPPLING END. DO YOU GUYS BY THIS? I JUST WATCHED WESTWORLD SO I AM
INCLINED TO BELIEVE THIS.>>I THINK THAT IS WHY THE
STORIES ARE COMING OUT, BECAUSE OF WESTWORLD. PEOPLE ARE LIKE WAIT A
MINUTE, IS THAT POSSIBLE? IT DEPENDS ON THE PERCENTAGE. ACCORDING TO THE
STORY, THERE IS A 50% CHANCE THAT WE ARE LIVING
IN A MATRIX WORLD. WHAT A BANK OF AMERICA ANALYST
IS DOING ANALYZING THAT, I HAVE NO IDEA.>>THERE IS 100%
CHANCE THAT WAS A WASTE OF TIME.>>I KNOW ELON MUSK IS SAYING
ONE IN BILLIONS, THERE IS ALMOST A ONE IN BILLION
CHANCE OF ANYTHING.>>I MISREAD THIS WHOLE THING.>>IF IT IS A ONE IN 1 BILLION
CHANCE OF NOT, THEN HE IS NUTS. ELON MUSK IS AN INTERESTING
CHARACTER BUT WE SHOULD TAKE WHAT HE SAYS A
LITTLE BIT SERIOUSLY. THE DUDE IS PRETTY DAMN SMART. HE IS THE ONLY GUY TO HAVE EVER
CREATED 2 BILLION COMPANIES. IS NOT LIKE THE GUY IS A
KNUCKLEHEAD, HE IS ABOUT AS BRIGHT AS IT GETS.>>YES, AND YOU SHOULD TRUST HIM. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BREAK US
OUT OF THE SIMULATION? WHY DO BILLIONAIRES ñ>>ELON MUSK IS THE BEST.>>IT IS LIKE BEING ON THE LAST
LEVEL OF A VIDEOGAME AND THROWING IT OUT OF A WINDOW.>>HE SAID THE CHANCE THAT WE
ARE NOT LIVING IN A SIMULATION IS ONE IN BILLIONS.>>I HAVE THIS THEORY, THE IDEA
THAT THIS IS OUR WHOLE WORLD, IT IS LIKE A SCIENCE PROJECT THAT
AN ALIEN DID IN HIGH SCHOOL. AND IT GOT A SOLID C, AND IT
IS JUST SITTING THERE. AND NEXT TO IT IS A WAY
BETTER SCIENCE PROJECT.>>EXCEPT THAT THE HUMANS THAT
THE ALIENS CREATED KEEP DESTROYING THE PLANET. THAT IS A BRILLIANT SEED.>>IT’S ALSO SOMETHING THAT AT
SOME POINT HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS COME UP WITH. SO YOU GUYS ARE ALL
PART OF MY CREATION. AND I THOUGHT I HAD THAT
SAME EXACT THOUGHT. IF YOU ARE A BILLIONAIRE, IT IS
AS EASY TO BE SELF-CENTERED AS I AM. SO YOU MIGHT THINK MAYBE THE
WORLD IS CENTERED AROUND ME. BUT I AM WITH YOU, THAT
IS A GREAT POINT. I WOULD LET IT RIDE
IF I WAS THEM. EAT THE STATE, IT IS DELICIOUS. FOR THE REST OF US WE HAVE
TO FIGURE IT OUT.>>THEY THINK THE SOLUTION IS TO
UPLOAD OUR BRAINS INTO A COMPUTER.>>OR TO UPLOAD IT INTO A CLOUD
SO WE CAN ALL LIVE LIKE JOHNNY DEPP DID IN THAT ONE
MOVIE CALLED ñ FOREVER. THAT WAS BASICALLY A MOVIE ABOUT
UPLOADING YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS TO A CLOUD AND THAT IS WHAT THESE
TECH BILLIONAIRES ARE SAYING. YOU SHOULD START
LOOKING INTO THIS.>>HE HAD SCISSORHANDS.>>I ALWAYS MESSED THAT UP. WAS IT EXTERNAL CONSCIOUSNESS
OR WAS IT SCISSORHANDS. THAT IS SO HARD.>>ONE SERIOUS NOTE ON THIS, THEY
SAY THE PLANET IS GOING TO END. THAT THEY ARE VERY RIGHT ABOUT. REPUBLICANS THE ONLY THING THEY
RESPECT IS BILLIONAIRES. HERE ARE BILLIONAIRES
SAYING WE ARE DOOMED. WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING TO
STRING AT THE PLANET RIGHT NOW OTHERWISE CROSS YOUR
SCISSORHANDS AND HOPE FOR THAT WE LIVE IN THE MATRIX. THAT IS OUR BEST CHANCE.

Maurice Vega

100 Responses

  1. Brilliant 5 minute discussion on a subject without even mentioning the hypothesis upon which it is based, nor outlining any relevant information about it. But hey, it sounds kind of funny, so it must be zany! Soundboard! Give us money!

  2. Great to see Grace on the show! Would be ideal replacement for Anna who cannot get to the end of a sentence without "lidderally" and "a sense of". You can't have intelligent debate with that level of English.

  3. Elon Musk is bat shit insane and he isn't really that smart. The hyperloop is a load of pseudoscience bunk that cannot work. He got lucky with Tesla.

  4. if this is all a simulation then the physics of that simulation will preclude ways to 'escape' the simulation….

    also how do we know that we are selves are not simulations so where would we be escaping to?

    we'd be programmes no bodies nothing to escape to….

  5. What i got in the most resent comments, Elon Musk = got lucky, insane, crazy, chipmunk.
    He's iQ is probably higher than all of yours combined.
    The guy basically tough himself rocket science, Wrestled the biggest and oldest car manufacturers and came out on top with his new car company, because he had the foresight to invest in better and cleaner technology.
    Co-founder of Paypal, owner of SpaceX and Tesla motors.
    He does what he does to make the world better, not just for the sake of wealth.

    If Elon Musk thinks we live in a simulation, I wouldn't be surprised if we actually do!

  6. I'd like to point out that people were shocked to learn about quantum physics, and that our reality is not similar to that of objects on a quantum scale, which was hard to believe. Most people would say 'These physicists are crazy, the world doesn't work that way!'. Then experiments were slowly slowly imagined, developed, and executed. The results could have gone in any direction, but many of the 'guesses' were correct. This is called Science. Make a guess, based on evidence or thought experiments, then gather data through experiments, have them confirmed, and make conclusions about the natural world.

  7. So what's the point of trying to save the future of a simulated world by starting companies like SpaceX and Tesla? Couldn't they just find some way to disable climate change in the settings?

  8. GTA V simulates an entire city with traffic, pedestrians, cats, birds, and sharks to provide a realistic background. Make that shitloads more real. Make zillions of copies. Which one are we in.

  9. Um… Possible? Yes. If true, can we do anything about it? Probably not. This is literally people pouring money into solipsism.

  10. People love to talk about the unlikely set of coincidences which would make our reality possible, and how it's all so incredibly unlikely. But if you approach the problem from the other end (or the infinite universe theories) in a universe with laws of physics like ours, and an earth like ours, which was capable of forming intelligent life, there is an excellent chance they would be asking these questions about their origins.
    And we are living in that universe

  11. life IS a videogame, only that we :

    1. You have to go trough an 18 years tutorial which u cant skip, and then you dont get to use any of that later in the game.

    2. Only get one life (except if you are budist)

    3. We grind endlessly to get stuff we want.

    4. There are TONS of microtransacctions

    5. The orgasm minigames are almost impossible to unlock.

  12. I think they're close to the mark, but if we do indeed exist in a simulation, then we exist as PART OF IT, not IN IT.

    Think of reality like a video game (I'm old school, so I'll use GoldenEye on N64 for example). Within this game, there are environments with rules governing what can and does occur; in essence, these rules are akin to our reality's physical laws. For example, game sprites can't walk through walls. The environment has been "programmed" to make walls impenetrable.

    Now let's imagine for the moment that the game sprites can think for themselves, and are self aware….

    They do not perceive themselves as "game sprites" in a "video game." The only existence they know is the confines of the game environment. Thus, this is what the consider "natural." Likewise, they themselves are polygonal caricatures with blurred, textured features. This too, while abnormal to us, is what is 100% "natural" within their environment. Therefore, the only "existence" they know is one of a confined building where people are polygonal sprites. They cannot comprehend that in reality, they could exist in any environment – even one of pink clouds with red hills of grass, rainbows and magical unicorns. Their "reality" is what it is because that's how the simulation was programmed. While walking through walls to them seems like a physical impossibility, it is in fact, merely down to a programming preference.

    If, hypothetically, a game sprite could come to the realization of it's own existence and comprehend it, seek out means to access their reality's source code, read it, understand it, and then make changes, they could actually alter their reality's physical laws so that walking through walls is possible. (This is akin to Neo programming his abilities in the Matrix). In effect, walking through walls would become the new "natural," because as with any simulation, what can and does occur is only limited by the laws governing it. It's a tall order, to say the least.

    Another point to consider is that even IF the game sprite could understand what it is, there's simply no way possible for it to truly ever comprehend the TRUE REALITY of it's existence – that it' and it's universe are actually just an electronic game operating on a home gaming console, while a flesh & blood person sits on a couch with a remote in his or her hands manipulating the events of the sprite's world.

    One final point I'll mention…game saves.

    Anyone who's played an RPG game knows how game saves work – you play the game, save your data, and turn OFF your console. Afterwards, you can turn the console back on, load your game and pick up right where you left off.

    Think of how this must seem to the game sprite, who's very existence is contingent on whether or not your game is loaded or not – From the sprite's point of view, there is no "off" time; in fact, the saving, turning off, turning on, and loading of the environment is completely beyond the sprite's ability to perceive, because these actions occur outside the bounds of the sprite's environment.

    Now applying this logic to the Simulation Theory, it's very possible that our reality is turned "off" and "on," "saved" and "loaded" on a regular basis, and we'd never be aware of it, nor could we be.

    As for "escaping" the simulation, that to me is simply an impossibility. It would be like the game sprite attempting to escape their reality. They exist as digital sprites; they cannot exist in outside of their natural environment. AT BEST, a robot could be developed in our realm and the sprite's "conscious" transferred to the robot so that it could perceive and interact without our realm.

    Food for thought.

  13. If TYT isn't going to take a serious look at the story, why do it at all. There is a lot more bones to this story. It's not two guys sitting around smoking weed thinking, "hey man, like, what if life isn't like, real". This is the kind of disrespect a lot of breakthroughs in science initially received in their time.
    That doesn't make this fact, but it definitely doesn't mean it's a thoughtless hypothesis…

  14. Laugh it up Cenk.  Just wait until you learn that the government elite have been hiding the truth from us for 75 years now.

  15. during the peak of my 6 gram mushroom trip i felt like everything was a simulation and all my past memories were pre-programmed. but yeah i was probly just having weird trip. cheers

  16. When Elon Musk says that it's extremely likely that we are living in a simulation, he talks about it in the context of what is known as the Fermi Paradox.

    The Fermi Paradox is a theory that explains that with our current understanding of science, physics, the age of our galaxy, and the number of planets in it, it is extremely likely that at least one space faring civilization would have colonized the entire galaxy. Yet we see no evidence of aliens, so where are they?

    This leaves us with a variety of possibilities to explain what we observe:
    1) There is an extremely hard to overcome barrier to life achieving space travel. This barrier could be behind us, i.e.:
    – It is extremely rare for life to start at all.
    – It is extremely rare for life to evolve from single cell organisms to intelligent life.
    – It is extremely rare for intelligent life to live long enough without a cataclysmic event destroying it (think dinosaur meteorite)
    – It is extremely rare for intelligent life to discover nuclear power and not nuke itself back to the stone age (repeatedly).
    In all of these cases (except maybe the last one, jury's still out on that, at least till we are multi-planetary), humanity is golden, and we're on our way to becoming galactic overlords (and I tremble for any aliens we encounter)
    2) There is an extremely hard to overcome barrier to achieving space travel, and it's ahead of us. i.e.:
    – It is almost impossible for intelligent life to travel to another star system without being destroyed on the way (by debris, by radiation, w/e)
    – Intelligent life almost always enter in interplanetary war when they start to colonize their star system, and nuke each other into oblivion by throwing giant rocks at each other at cometary speed.
    – When intelligent life discovers how to fully harness the power of their star, they create a Dyson sphere, and use the infinite energy to create an automated utopian simulation in which they can live out their lives for eternity in relative safety (and don't colonize the galaxy).
    3) There's no barrier, we're just the first to get there.

    Options 1 and 3 are both statistically incredibly unlikely. The likelihood of our civilization being the first to make it to this point, or the only one to make it past the barrier is incredibly small. Ironically, any civilization who made it to this point would also think the same thing, so it is still possible. However, option 2 is the most likely, statistically speaking, so we should take whatever steps we can to reduce the number of possibilities that end with us destroyed. This is also why Elon Musk is working so hard to get us to Mars. Beyond all the scientific advances and all other advances that would come with such a feat, it removes the possibility of the extinction of our species through a cataclysmic event like a giant meteorite destroying the Earth, or a nuclear war.
    Either way, Elon Musk is covering his bases to try and ensure the survival of humanity.

  17. Well there is the famous argument that if we're able to create a believable simulation that can contain another believable simulation, then we might as well be living in a simulation. And from a physicists standpoint, there is a famous theory that the entire universe is a projection from a different universe. Which is something we're at this point unable to either prove or disprove.

  18. That 'science fair project' is almost exactly what one of my book series is going to be about. I have been writing many stories on a world where 'student deities' created the world specifically to impress their teacher. The world has some sloppy 'copy/paste' issues and other things the deities put in just because they thought it was cool. They even had to patch the world just 70 or so years after they put people on it.

  19. The best argument I've ever heard that we are NOT living in a simulation came from Dr. Richard Carrier. His argument was that any civilization sufficiently advanced to create a life-like simulation would have to be highly moral or it would have destroyed itself already. Creating a simulation with suffering is an immoral proposition. Even if you morally justified it as necessary for research purposes, you wouldn't need more than a thousand simulations to get the data you're seeking. This makes the likelihood that we're living in a simulation much lower. Of course, the simulation could be the work of a single, immoral AI that doesn't have to answer to anyone else but still, this is the only argument that has ever given me pause.

  20. The idea is out there for newcomers but its entirely possible

    However, i dont think its provable and if we do exist in a sim, we cant escape. Elon Musk's certainty about this puzzles me but he is smart… Ambitious and idealistic but smart.

  21. It depends on what we would be escaping to. It might turn out to be preferable to stay here but sweeten the simulation.

  22. This is basically new age religion. "You can't prove its not happening" is basically the premise the idea is based on. Are people allergic to occam's razor? Isn't it possible that the earth simply exists as a part of the universe and on this earth there developed a phenomenon called life and one development of that phenomenon is human beings? Isn't it possible that humans are just an outgrowth of earth's nature? It might not be as wacky and out there and fun as Musk's theory but it definitely seems more plausible considering we have, you know, EVIDENCE for it.

  23. The simulation hypothesis that physicists are talking about, is a real thing, but a tiny, minute possibility. Leonard Susskind and Brian Greene wrote books on this. they were about the possibilities of more spacial dimensions which are very likely when dealing with very small, or very large (and I don't want to overuse the word, but in a trumpian fashion, very, very small, like the Plank length, or very very large like the star betelguese) there still is no one way to describe these things that correlate with the laws of physics. we're getting there. we're close, but to say our reality is a simulation is a fascinating concept, a tiny possibility that it is technically possible, but please, just be decent to people, until there is no conversation left. if you haven't convinced them, no fact that you can tell them will change their mind. After that, well, history will decide. and hopefully those historians will be interested in truth, not politics.

  24. This is what happens when you take billions of dollars out of the middle class and redistribute that to only a select few. they run out of things to spend their money on and they have to come up with nutty stuff like this. How about using your money to solve problems that are impacting people today? That is just a sci fi wet dream for these guys.

  25. Any one working in computer programming may have that sensation that this all life is a simulation. I also have it.

  26. so if this is a computer simulation of advance humans bit of a coincedence their simulation evolved with astoroid wiping out the dinosaurs and humans evolving to then invent the microchip and then pong and then computer graphics simulations. thats to big a chance. more likely not an advance humans and something else

  27. I'm familiar with and enthused by this idea. I'd like to share an experience I had in 2006 which may actually count if true.

    I began by darkening a room and removing anything unsafe; laying down pillows and blankets in case I fell. I smoked a very powerful concentration of Salvia Divinorum. I used a lot of it and held the smoke for well over 40 seconds. You have to understand that it only takes about 10 seconds to forget your own name. I had experimented with almost a dozen psychedelics at the time; Salvia is unique in so many ways, even its botany. After 40 seconds almost every layer of your ego is stripped away.

    One of the first things I experienced after losing touch with my immediate senses was the notion of viewing the entire universe. As I watched the big bang happening backwards (I assure you this is not something I can usually understand) I witnessed spatial systems giving way to planar and then linear systems as the dimensions unfolded… it's hard to remember after ten years. But as I witnessed this whatever was left of my ego forced me to question how I could witness the universe, ie. "everything" as though I was not a part of it. Normal psychedelics do not produce visions anything like this, and quantum mechanics I've read up on since then completely check it all out.

    What happened next I usually explained to myself as a religious experience (I was 100% athiest when this happened.) My mind felt like it was breaking as I tried to rationalize where I could be, and I "awoke" in an incredibly bright, bright place. I was in a sort of box or coffin, sarcophagus-type thing. I wasn't experiencing five senses, but one almost 'baser' form of information – just pure photons streaming through my consciousness. Like taking five computer programming languages and writing them in binary instead. I sat up and tried to get out, like a bed after a night of sleep. I saw others, and they saw me. I would have called them angels except for wings they had white coats with long tails.

    When I say "they saw me," I mean they actually did double-takes. I've never read anywhere about a psychedelic trip being "as afraid of you as you are of it," but there you go. The message delivered was completely unexpected: 'He's up! Stop! You don't know what you're doing – you're making a mistake, you're ruining it. You need to go back down. Now, trust us.' Basically, I didn't listen. The rest of what happened is between me and whatever's going on. I was shown that consciousness as I knew it just repeats infinitely and to give up looking for an easy way out, to go back in and learn my answers the only real way there is.

    It bears mentioning that as I initially took this form (or re-took, as it felt) I realized that I was not young at all – the first words that came to me were "unspeakably ancient." I could see everything below in the lower four dimensions – from a 5D perspective. Allegorically, the experience of seeing all of this at once is both heaven and hell depending on your role in what you see. You're not you, but a much wiser being who apparently participates in a ritual which simulates mortality. Maybe lighting a fire under our butts is how we got so wise, maybe there are others, who knows? Billionaires, you have your answer. I could also be crazy. Maybe you need to have both.

  28. Funny how a bunch of uneducated idiots are making arrogant comments dismissing the probable realities proposed by humanities greatest minds

  29. You guys are severely over simplifying a very technical theoretical physics concept. The most current and accurate mathematical theory In physics posits 11 dimensions that vibrate like strings and, most shockingly, actually MAYHEMATICALLY points to our existence as an advanced simulation. You should educate yourselves on certain topics before asking people for membership money. Perhaps check out the 2016 Isaac Asimov Debates, which this year dealt with the Simulation Hypothesis. There you'll see all of the brightest minds in physics, all pretty much agree that we are more likely in a simulation than not.

  30. It matters because of the implications, to some extent. Obviously if you're starving this is of little consequence, but I'm assuming those with computers to watch this aren't starving. So, implications of beliefs matter.

  31. Because Elon Musk is such a genius many people will take this seriously, and many people who would normally laugh at this idea will at least acknowledge. Personally, I really think it's not true, and there is no evidence at all.

  32. lol "if its 1 in a billion that were not he's insane" mmmk pretty sure his iq is double the 3 of you combined and cubed.

  33. Imagine if you went back to the stone age with today's current technology. Now imagine if you put a VR headset on a caveman, how he'd react to what he sees – he'd probably think you were some godlike magician. It hasn't even been 200 years since the computer was invented and look at how far that has already taken us.

  34. what a bunch of tools, they only read quotes? Get an education and read some damn research sometime, it goes way beyond a few assertions.

  35. they are so dumb they didn't even listen to the interview with elon before making a video about it just to clarify elon says it is a 1 in over 1 billion chance that we are NOT in a simulation. elon thinks we are simulated

  36. Rather than breaking out of the simulation, I'd rather have super powers like Neo in the Matrix. Imagine the women you'd get!

  37. You have to ask yourself this. ' Are the ruling elite part of a master plan and know exactly what they are doing and know how things are going to pan out, or are they a clueless bunch of idiots and have no idea what to do ?' Either choice is chilling and unfortunately the only options we have.

  38. Cenk is wrong in calling Musk nuts. But, I think Musk hasn't given the full set of evidence for his theory. Which is probably based upon his own personal experiences.

  39. It is one in billions that we are in base reality. Is what Elon said. Meaning that if a civilization continues to advance in tech that they would create simulations with people in it with free will. So those people in the simulation decide they want to make a simulation. Then those people make simulations. And it continues. So there could be billions of simulations. What are the odds were in the original universe. One in billions. Not that difficult to comprehend.

  40. these 3 ass clowns joke about this issue because they are scared of the truth. and thats ok, be scared and keep living a lie. the simulation is real.

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