Study: US an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy


welcome to the David Pakman show it is
Tuesday Louis is back with us we will hear all about his big wedding
extravaganza and the big speech that he gave people are just up in arms the
National Speakers Bureau actually is having Louis maybe a be the keynote
speaker they were so impressed with the wedding speech that Lewis cable here
about all that later i wanna talk about a new study which if
we interpret it on colloquially if we interpreted in layman’s terms confirms that the
United States is not a democracy but rather an oligarchy this is a really entrance interesting study from this is
going to appear in the journal perspectives on politics in the fall and it finds essentially it
doesn’t use these terms I’m using these terms that the US is not
a democracy but instead and oligarchy and what are these terms
what are these terms mean a democracy would be a system of government by the whole population or all the
eligible members a vase state typically through elected
representatives in other words the will love the people the will of the
people is reflected in the system that a in the system of
government in the laws an oligarchy is when a small group of people have
control of the country organization or institution I’ve long argued that we have
essentially an oligarchy plutocracy in this country where those with money those with
resources have disproportionately more power and the laws judicial and political
systems reflected their desires and priorities far more than the average person and
what does the study say it says despite the seemingly
strong empirical support in previous studies for theories have
majoritarian democracy our analyses suggest that majorities of
the american public actually have little influence over the
policies are our government adopts Americans do enjoy many features central
to democratic governance such as regular elections I freedom of
speech and association and a widespread if still contested franchise but and
then they go on to say it is not true and that america’s claims
to being a democratic society are seriously threatened threatened by the findings in this
first-ever comprehensive scientific study which shows that the desires above the median voter there’s the
average voter are disproportionately under reflected
in the laws that are passed but the preferences of the elite the
preferences %uh the rich are far more likely to
eventually become law to eventually become policy to put it short we have a system where the elites and
the rich get their way so much more than the
average person this is not shocking Louis but it is
interesting that it has been scientifically analyzed and numbers have been put to this right
I I think it’s funny that people just assume that their
elected officials are somehow representing the well up the people that elected them when we
know that’s not really the case I mean you could just take at that the
corporate tax cuts and breaks to giving is big companies and I don’t think
anybody would agree with that with that stuff so that’s not true
though is there has been this what the Tea Party years and others who are
somehow convinced that it makes sense to support policies
that help rich people in big corporations and not then because someday they might benefit from
that stuff for because its ostensible freedom I don’t know I just think it’s their
spokespeople saying that a you you get into the the crowded had better
be different story but of course you don’t have these rich people actually
representing the country right their influence is just
overwhelming to put it another way the findings in
this study say that the opinion average citizens on a particular issuer
policy are mostly uncorrelated with the
probability that the policy will be adopted or that their view will
represent the eventual laws that are passed
however the opinions if the economic elites have a much stronger mathematical
correlation with the eventual laws that are passed
this is so important if we are to have change in this country
and when it comes to inequality when it comes to the plutocratic state of
affairs we aren’t going to necessarily have
change if people understand this dynamic that exists but if people are aware of this we
almost definitely won’t have changed because why would anyone try to change a system
that they think is completely fair so I think this is really important study very important study and it’s
interesting if you ask a conspiracy theorist and who’s in control because
you don’t tell you with an oligarchy to you but your program it just might be the
ideal domain ID builder purchase something maybe not oil
execs right now would be a different a the details would certainly be
different I think

Maurice Vega

53 Responses

  1. I am so grateful that wealthy people have allowed me and several generations of my ancestors to live as visitors in their country. 

  2. we have never had a democratic government, its been a republic the whole time. a republic is when you vote into office a representitive to represent you and decide laws. a democracy would be the people voting and deciding laws, large difference. harder to bribe millions than the few hundred politicians.

  3. So, I know most people on here's reaction to this is: "They really needed a study to figure this out?" But this is exciting guys! Now when conservatives call us conspiracy theorists we can point to a SCIENTIFIC STUDY because that worked so well to convince them about… evolution… and uh… climate change… shit.

    Well at least the scientists are on our side now. 

  4. That is to be expected… any systems regardless of ideology tended to lean towards aristocratic oligarchy over time. Like "helping out a friend"… or passing on influences for your lineage… that kind of thing & it all may start out innocent enough but it cumulate in time & the end result is the same.

    “Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class — whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy.” – Frank Herbert, Children of Dune

  5. time for mass boycotts and people helping each other get off the grid and lets create a real democracy……i wish

  6. It would be splendid if you could take this to heart in your reporting and start telling us about the actual politics happening in our society, start talking about the actual and theoretical ways we can create the economic pressure that's the only thing that matters, instead of just telling us the false "political" news of how they've decided to reflect those economics to us in the form of misleading speeches and false choices. 

  7. Oligarchy!? 
    How about the USA's military expansion, economic expansion, nationalism, abandonment of the poor, irrationality, authoritarianism, spying, anti-union, anti-assembly, corporatism, appeals to tradition/conservatism, fear-mongering, greater causes, constant war, newspeak, anti-liberalism, private power, etc, etc, etc,
    All the USA needs now is a dictator and it's completely a fascist nation, and there's a lot of people doing antidemocratic shtick, like Alex Jones and his uncritical clowns.
    The USA most closely resembles a fascist society.

  8. I said this the second I was doing AP Government summer work and learned the word "oligarchy." I even wrote that on the summer work.

  9. It took this long go announce the obvious. The wealthiest oligarchy supplies 60% of both parties left right liberal conservative democrat republican is BS to keep the rubes occupied with bickering amongst themselves

  10. America is a democracy in the form of a republic. Meaning we have democratic rule and elect our leaders and have good deal of freedom over our own lives. But we are not a pure democracy in the majoritarian sense where the majority always rules and can always rule over the minority. 

  11. How "scientific"? In what way "scientific"?

    Political science isn't like biology or physics; there are no well-defined categories of analysis, nor "standard models" of methodologies and presuppositions; controlled experiments are nigh-on impossible, and in terms of analysing policy, there is little distinction between rational self-interest of evil bureaucrats and the ideological beliefs of true believers in the system–and its supposed "naturality"–that influence action.

    Also, no poltical system is ever totally weighted towards the interests/beliefs one social class; compromise is always afoot somehow; the masses must get something out of the system or else there would either be no participation whatsoever, or there really would be violent revolution.

    Doesn't anybody read Robert Dahl anymore?

  12. Whoa!  David, Lewis and staff!  Is it open season?  Of course Conspiracy Theorists have the same view, they know exactly what and who the Oligarchy is.  Like you said at the start, it is the Joe Schmos who haven't a clue.  That's why CTs are so pissed off and upset with mainstream society.  You are the last people I would expect to put tin foil hats on these concerned underdogs.  I would love to see a short apology video.  That kind of ridicule is not cool guys.  Not cool at all.  It's not funny to make fun of people who are open to greater ideas.  Doesn't matter if they are right or wrong, you don't make fun of them.  That's emotional and peer pressure blackmail.  Think like us or we are going to laugh at you and call you stupid.

  13. This is especially so now, after citizens united (i.e. corporations untited to f**k over everyone in the US).   Someone confirmed this huh?  What a shock…

  14. The US was founded as an oligarchy, with only wealthy, white  males allowed to vote (there were wealth provisions as well for running for office in most state legislatures and these legislatures elected the US Senators). And just in case the voters got out of line in the Presidential election, there was the creation of the Electoral College. There was no American Revolution, it was, rather, a war of independence, through which power was transferred from the English oligarchy to an American oligarchy.

    Over the years these voting restrictions were dropped and the electorate expanded (though the Electoral College remains and we have it to thank for GW Bush's presidency), but the oligarchy has found various means–mainly through economic power and threats and control of the media, sometimes brute force, and, more recently, campaign finance, to remain in control.

    There have been brief periods when democracy threatened to break through, such as during the populist era and in the 1930s as a result of the Great Depression. But the oligarchy has always triumphed, and the great take-back by the wealthy oligarchs that began in the 1970s it what we're living now.

    Do we have it in us to fight for a real democracy in the US? I think it depends, in part, on how greedy the oligarchs become, partly in how much social media and the internet have really changed things, and partly on what Millennials are truly made of

    (Much of the "millennial bashing" these days in the media is actually prompted by the great fear of the oligarchs that this is the most diverse, socially and politically liberal generation in decades–and they must be discredited and marginalized)

  15. Yeah, it is either oligarchy or republic.
    Since people cannot make up their minds and be educated, both of which are necessary for a true Democracy to happen, they have let their voted scbumbags to make the decision for them.
    Of course, Oligarchy is most profitable over choosing Republic system.

    If USA is an Oligarchy, so is the rest of the world too.
    If you know your current affairs somewhat well, you know this. 

  16. as long as millions of idiots watch Fox News they will continue to believe that this is a functioning republic which is only threatened by 'liberals', 'gays' and 'muslims'.

  17. Did anybody really believe that these multi-million dollar campaigns were put together by all the loose change in-between the average American's couch cushions?

  18. ok, no. the us is a democracy. by the definition david gives even. any republic, as the us is, could be classified as an oligarchy if one stretches the definition. this does not; however, mean the 2 terms are mutually exclusive. to think they are is… let's say naive.

    now, all that said, the american system is not perfect. the economist lists the us as 21st in its 2012 assessment of most and least democratic countries, just below south korea. 21/167 isn't horrible, just not good enough perhaps. the least democratic thing about the us, as it turns out, isn't the effects of money, but rather the lack of voter participation(dismal) and the fact that the government can't do simple things like pass a budget/keep itself working.

     there are 200,000,000+ eligible voters in this country. if say at least 70% of them actually went to the polls regularly(ie. not just once every 4 years the money problem i suspect would become significantly less so). blame the rich for corruption all you want, but who voted for the corrupt in the first place?

  19. The problem with hyper-capitalism or unrestrained neo-liberal capitalism with its single goal of maximizing wealth and power is in conflict with other Goods of society, that is why government is needed and that is why conservatism and its half-sibling libitarianism does not work because it does not recognise that wealth is power nor are their other Goods in society. Similarly pure socialism does not recognize that living standards can not be raised by faith in the good nature alone of people. The optimum is social democracy that harnesses the warmth of the fire of capitalism without burning down the house. A democracy that recognizes other social goods such as health, working conditions, education, fairer wages and taxes, etc. while allowing each the freedom to live the lives they want as long as they do not impose theirs on others.

  20. UMM that crack at conspiracy awareness advocates (most of these things aren't theories anymore, and this study supports that), who do you think was behind the creation of crooked business empires? The people who control the currency and therefore the money itself.

  21. According to Edward Bernays, the United States is a democracy controlled by oligarchs. Its actually a good reason to have most of the power concentrated in the hands of the elites. Doing so allows decisions to be made quicker and more fluidly. An entirely democratic United States would result to unfair situations for those who are minority. regardless of whether some believe that the United States has ever been a republic or democracy, based on history the United States has always been an oligarch since George Washington and his men.

  22. we were never supposed to be a democracy, we are supposed to be a republic, but we are a oligarchy no doubt about it 

  23. when the supreme court ruled that corperations have the same rights as an individual that was a major death blow to liberty,

  24. IF YOU ASK PEOPLE;- WHAT KIND OF GOVERMENT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE? THEY WILL TELL YOU DEMOCRACY! BUT THATS A LIE, IT`S AN ILLUSION. THE WORD DEMOCRACY IT`S NOT WRITTEN IN A CONSTITUTIONAL  OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS- AND IT`S NOT IN THE DECLARATION OF INDIPENDENCE. THE FOUNDING FATHERS HATED THE IDEA OF DEMOCRACY. IN DEMOCRACY 51% OF THE PEOPLE CONTROLL 49% OF THE PEOPLE, YOU ARE NOT FREE. AMERICA WOS FOUND IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE REBUBLIC, IN THE REPUBLIC, 99% CANNOT TAKE AWAY THE 99% OF THE PEOPLE AND THEY CANNOT TAKE AWAY YOUR BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. BUT THE PSYCOLOGICAL BELIEVE THAT THE DEMOCRACY IS THE ONLEY WAY. THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WILL SAY DEMOCRACY WORK! NO! IT DOE`NT WORK! AND THATS WHY AMERICAN PEOPLE HAD BEEING BRAIN WASHED, THEY BELIEVE THAT IN BEEING IN IRAQ WE WILL PUT DEMOCRACY, LIKE G. BUSH WOS SAYING. NO! DEMOCRACY MEANS THE NEW WORLD ORDER, DEMOCRACY IS EQUAL SLAVERY, DEMOCRACY IS NOT A SENONIMUM OF FREEDOM IS THE OPPOSITE OF FREEDOM, IT`S THE FORM OF MAJIORITY ROLE, AND THE GOVERMENT WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE GOVERMENT TELL YOU WHAT TO DO! THATS WHY IN AMERICA WE ARE FAILING BIG TIME. EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION..

  25. if lazy fat fuk americans wanted to fight back start with impriving your fat ass clogged arteries and health and stop eating so fat fucking much…don't buy coke/pepsi/etc…nothing but water. No fat fuk mcdonalds, no fat fuk suvs, no fat fuk fast foos restaurants, go to your local farmes market and start putting these fat fukl corps out of business…take all of your pennies out of the jew fat big nose fuk banks, cut up your fat fuk credit cards, stop buying all this fat fuk cheap walmart chinachong skinny shit, and stop opening you fat fuk mouths and do something you lazy fat fuk MERICANS

  26. I don't know why people insist the United States is supposed to be in democracy .See when it was started in based on a republic clearly noted through history. And nowadays it seems that we have in oligarchy and everyone is running around trying to justify it. I am totally lost in America. I believe it's time to start looking at the cold hard facts and sticking to the truth of the whole bloody mess

  27. The only surprising part of this situation is that many Americans don’t believe this reality and refuse to accept the true state of affairs. Instead, they will say that the “Leftists,” are trying to turn America in a Communist, or socialist, nation.

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