Quincy City Council – December 2nd, 2019


December 2nd meeting of the clinic City
Council Madame clerk can you call the roll campaign council cruel council
DiBona council harris councillor hughes council mahoney council mccarthy council
ha muji jim and leagh a present thank you purser ensure that with meeting law
any person we make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may
transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised at such
recordings or transmissions are being made whether procedures are
unprecedented are deemed acknowledged and permissible there’s a few matters
before us this evening but I’m going to go in order here so the first two are
actually connected it’s council order 2018 – 0 – 7 ordinance amending city of
Quincy zoning ordinance adding section 6.10 marijuana establishments in order
number 2018 – 0 – 8 order accepting the sales tax provision of mgl chapter 64 n
marijuana tax as amended so we have mr. Durkin here this evening
to present but I wanted to just clarify for folks before we get started so
what’s in front of you for the packets are the original 2018 proposed marijuana
ordinance and then it’s red lined with some changes that were made that we had
discussed at one of our previous ordinance committee meetings and in
addition to that there are now also blue line changes and that in front of us and
mr. Durkin will speak to those changes as well but I just want to thank my
colleagues who are with me in this evening the clerk’s office as well and
everyone at the solicitor’s office for their work on this are we’ve been going
through this ordinance and you know really trying to make sure that we’re
digesting this information and putting our best foot forward on how we’re going
to implement this as a City Council it’s our role here in Quincy to not determine
if we’re going to move forward with this that was that decision was made by the
voters here in the city and the residents in this city our
responsibility up here is determined how and so there was a lot of work that has
gone into it this last year and a half and I just want to thank my colleagues
folks in the clerk’s office and everyone and the solar solicitor’s office for
their work on that so with that mr. Durkin if you can take it over and just
go over the – mmm in front of us the red lines and blue
line versions and then we’ll open up to questions to my colleagues okay Thank
You chairman laying members of the council
good evening and if I could just take up council order 2018 – OH – wait and
that’s that is an order that allows the city to avail itself of the option that
the state law gave cities and towns and that is to be able to charge a sales tax
for marijuana retailers and it allows cities and towns to charge up to 3% of
retail sales and so this is just adopting that state law and it’s the
mechanism by which cities and towns adopt that so that’s what that’s about
and I strongly recommend that the council approved this thank you sorry
just one moment if you could i’m council about my dream i just offer a positive
move for positive recommendation of 2018 – great so positive recommendation for
2018 – 0 to 8 accepting the sales tax provision from Astron our last chapter
64 and marijuana tax is there any discussion on that order for my
colleagues Casa de Bono thank you madam chair I just wanted to just quickly
because we we’ve been away from this for a little while mr. Durkin and I just
wanted to just clarification purposes of under 6.1 0.4 performance standards so I
didn’t try pound sledge opponent this is for time the order just about the sales
tax and then we’re going to move back to 3% okay all we jumped over hope we did
I’m sorry so we’re moving to just um there was a positive recommendation just
for the sales tax so we’re gonna discuss that and then get thank you sorry out of
the way any other discussion on the sales tax all right so moving back to
you okay I’m sorry all in favor of accepting the tax any opposed
okay thank you all right so now we’ll go back to 2018 – to 0 to 7 which is the
ordinance ok we’re reviewing just to bring the council up to date on just a
couple of matters that are involved with this the cannabis Control Commission
which is the state licensing authority in June of 2019 approved draft
regulations for what are known as cannabis cafes or social consumption
establishments as well as retail mountain mountain marijuana delivery
services there was a comment period after that that extended through August
and then at the end of September of this year the cannabis Control Commission
approved regulations for marijuana delivery services and so-called cannabis
cafes these as I say rules were approved I am i understanding is that the the
deliveries and licensing for deliveries is something that’s going to happen in
the near future but it’s several months away and my understanding also from
reading about the regulations regarding on-site consumption is that the cannabis
Control Commission has authorized a pilot program involving up to 12
communities and the regulations are fairly restrictive and they give they
give exclusive rights to certain categories of businesses businesses that
are majority owned by micro business micro businesses and craft marijuana
coffee cooperative so that’s that’s something that when I drafted these
additional proposed amendments to the council order 2018 – OH – 7
so the first amendment would be amendment to section 6 point 10.1 which
the heading is purpose and I just added different categories of marijuana
establishments to contemplate the social consumption marijuana retailers
and the retail marijuana delivery services and I added the
all-encompassing phrase or any type of marijuana related to this that has been
duly licensed by the cannabis Control Commission so this just makes it more
comprehensive and makes the ordinance cover all possible marijuana
establishments that might want to come to Quincy in addition I offered
amendment to section six point ten point six dealing with off-site sales by
retailers and in the first iteration of this zoning ordinance we were
prohibiting that so I added the words unless such sales are made by a
marijuana retailer delivery service duly licensed pursuant to the authority of
the CCC and granted a special permit by the city so this this just acknowledges
recognizes that off-site sales by retailers might happen in the form of
delivery services that are licensed by the state and then the third amendment
would be an amendment to section six-point 10.12 regarding notification
and I just deleted the first sentence because it’s it’s unnecessary it’s
superfluous and there are a lot of other notice requirements contained in that
paragraph involving community outreach meetings and there’s a lot of
notification involved with that and and then there’s also the other safeguard is
is a host community agreement that any marijuana establishment has to enter
into with with the city before it can even apply for a license with the state
and the last amendment the final amendment deals with public consumption
of marijuana which in the first in in the initial ordinance that I presented
that was prohibited but we have to acknowledge that that may be licensed
and in the form of on-site as a cannabis cafes they’re called so I added the
following language unless a public establishment has been duly licensed for
on-premises marijuana consumption pursuant to the authority of the
cannabis Control Commission and granted a special permit by the city of Quincy
again cannabis cafes my understanding is this is this is a long time off and it’s
going to be there’s there’s an exclusivity provision so that only
certain categories of businesses can partake in that and again that’s is a
pilot program that’s been implemented by the cannabis Control Commission and
we’ll see how that goes so back to the original ordinance and this is the
redline or ordinance I just want to emphasize that this is this is not
necessarily a comprehensive ordinance that deals with every possible problem
or issue that could come up involving a marijuana establishment but what it is
is an amendment to our zoning code and and the idea behind this amendment to
the zoning code is to risk is to restrict where marijuana businesses can
go in the city of Quincy and it offers reasonable safeguards reasonable
regulations regarding time place and manner which the state allows local
cities and towns to do so as it stands now I mean theoretically a marijuana
business could go in your neighborhood as long as it was sown for business we’d
have to have a host community agreement that was agreed to by the city but
theoretically it could go you know in a business district somewhere in Quincy by
passing this zoning ordinance we would be letting the world know that there are
places in Quincy where we don’t want marijuana establishments to be and so
you know we’ve we’ve established that we don’t want them to be within 1,500 feet
of a residential district residents a B or C and we don’t want them to be within
500 feet of the school or other places where youth folks under the age of 21
gather so that’s that’s what this ordinance does and you know my my
recommendation would be that that the council seriously consider passing this
so that we have something in place we can revisit this issue after the first
of the year we can come up with more comprehensive regulations in a general
ordinance if if there’s an appetite for that but I strongly recommend that the
council consider passing this ordinances as well as the Local Option tax any
questions thank you opened up to my colleagues I know councillor boney you
had a comment earlier that you’d wanted to make on this particular order so yes
madam chair um yes just getting back to exactly what you were just talking about
mr. Durkin um six point one zero point four performance standards under 1a
there’s a whole group from a all the way down to K which talks about pre exists
an elementary secondary public you know your kidney kidney garden your preschool
through your you know 1 through 12 configuration your playgrounds your
childcare centers public parks libraries public beach public skating rink in that
in that a through K 500 linear feet of this particular a through K did you
mention before that that is the law that you can’t increase the linear feet right
now or how can can we make an amendment to increase it to a thousand fifteen
hundred what we discussed previously councillor is that the state legislation
doesn’t allow these the state legislation
sets a limit of 500 feet and it says that cities and towns can’t go beyond
500 in other words they can’t increase it to 600 or 800 or a thousand
and I have looked at some other towns or bylaws that have reduced that distance
from 500 down to 200 but and that’s only for schools that’s only K to 12 schools
these other facilities that I’ve listed just put in added safeguards for Quincy
okay but I would suggest to you counselor that this is a pretty
restrictive ordinance and so to go beyond 500 feet
first of all wouldn’t be allowed because it conflicts with state law as far as
schools are concerned and as far as these these other facilities I would
suggest that it’s already pretty restrictive at 500 feet and when you add
in the fact that this ordinance doesn’t allow a marijuana establishment to be v
within 1500 feet of a residential district I mean that’s that’s uh there’s
a lot of safeguards there do you think that legislation will change over time
and add linear feet or do you think this is going to stay pretty much the staple
of the state legislation I think we might see lots of changes in the rules
and regulations that are promulgated by the cannabis Control Commission but I
don’t foresee that changes in buffer zones would be probably one of those
changes you know we’ll see we’ll see how this all works out so if you if it does
change in state legislation we can come back and revisit this on an ordinance
change here in our in this council chambers that correct absolutely okay
that that really really sums up that particular 500 linear feet you’ve spoken
about this in the past we’ve I mean we’ve we started this back on February
8th of 2018 this is almost two years later and we’re trying to get this in
before the new year you wanted to do as a recommendation to the council but as
long as we have some type of blueprint here in Quincy I think we can start from
there and if we can’t change any state that like legislation from this council
then we can foresee something in the future so thank you
yeah councillor thank you and once again if this is passed we have something to
point to when a prospective marijuana establishment wants to come to Quincy
thank you thank you counselor thank you many other councillors have questions on
this particular council pouchy thank you thank you for all the work that you’ve
done on this I know it’s know if it’s call it a labor of love but you
certainly put a lot of labour into it so we thank you for that a couple of things
I wanted to just run through with you so just hitting on the big big points
here the Zoning Board of Appeals is going to be the special permit granting
Authority in this ordinance yes what was the thinking behind that versus we
certainly shouldn’t be the SPG a but what was the thinking behind not having
it be that Planning Board and I’m not I don’t have an opinion one way or the
other I’m just thinking I’m just curious as to what your thinking was on it well
I had looked at what some other cities and towns were doing and that’s that
seemed to be a popular way to go special permit granting Authority it seemed to
me it was either that or it was the licensing board really not that Planning
Board no well some of the some of the ordinances I looked at had the Planning
Board involved as well but in an advisory capacity with the special with
the special permit granting Authority being the Zoning Board of Appeals and so
I’ll be honest I’m not wedded to this this was just this was one way to set up
a permit granting Authority I mean look I said I don’t I don’t know that one is
better than the other and that’s why I kind of wanted to see if you had a
rationale for why one might be better than the other my only thought is that
would would site plan review be implicated or could it at a later time
be implicated if we were to change the zoning and to put site plan review
in our zoning table for marijuana uses right that you know counselor that’s
something we could definitely look at okay I mean I tell you why I like the
planning port and I don’t mind the Zoning Board doing this but I like the
Planning Board because they they have a better I think and I could be wrong but
they have a better kind of foundation of knowledge in terms of how each property
is interplaying with other properties around it whereas a zoning board is more
of a kind of a one-off variance type situation and they’re more you know does
this make the neighborhood worse yes or no whereas a Planning Board I always
help people the Planning Board is the Zoning Board is yes or no because they
can kill a project whereas the Planning Board is how it’s not yes or no
it’s how something should be done so I think the how in when it comes to
marijuana establishments is important but um so maybe we will do that as a
follow-up next next session I think counselor one of the things that
occurred to me was that perhaps the the the body that’s granting the permit
should also maybe be the body that’s enforcing some of the other restrictions
sure and I just thought that you know that there’s the CBA with the building
inspector would be in a position to do that you know the licensing board could
do this as well right okay so page two under performance standards
performance standards C and performance standard e yep I would offer to amend by
inserting the word public on on C so that it read any public playground and
then on e any public facility which sponsors youth activities I would have
no problem with that okay I I’m aware of specific litigation where permit was
issued by a town and someone sued to challenge that permit by saying that
there an apartment building that had a
playground you know attached to the property and that their ordinance was
very similar to this where it said any playground and they were using that as a
justification I don’t think that’s what we’re I don’t read that is what we’re
trying to do here would be more like a public playground where we expect kids
not you know a small playground attached to an apartment building yep
so I have a couple other amendments so I’ll just um others keep going through
my questions and amendments and then off of them all and mass explained to me the
distances how they’ll be calculated the distances yeah the next section from the
the border of the facility to the border of the marijuana establishment okay so
not property line but building to building no because one says to be
because this is to the nearest portion of the build right it says building yes
so will be from the marijuana building the nearest portion to the property line
to the property line using walking access pedestrian access yeah
and so that is not that is that is how we interpreted the medical marijuana
ordinance that allowed Vermont to be located where it is because it’s as the
crow flies it’s not an appropriate distance under our statute from the ball
fields across the street on Cory Street but because you can’t you can’t get
there from there you have to go all the way around we did it as pedestrian
access right okay so number two here on page two we’re talking about the host
community agreement and that the mayor is the the contracting Authority yes I
would seek to add some sort of council oversight to that by way of amendment by
adding a line at least 60 days prior to execution by the mayor
the ACA must be submitted to the City Council for review that doesn’t give us
any that wouldn’t give the City Council any authority to vote on it but at least
we would be aware of it my concern is a ward councillor is that
and I wouldn’t put this – mayor Koch cause it’s not how he does business but
I don’t know you know it might be a different mayor and a different ward
councillor in the future who don’t get along and I could see a mayor signing a
host community agreement and excluding the ward councillor I mean that
theoretically could happen and as a would counsel that makes me very
uncomfortable in and not only could it happen over a councillors objection but
it could happen essentially in secret because there’s
nothing about the host community agreement that is a public matter so
this just kind of makes that host community community agreement publicly
reviewable by the council could you repeat that amendment sure at least 60
days prior to execution by the mayor okay the HCA must be submitted to the
City Council for review okay gotcha how long does a special permit lasts so that
in Section 4 here on page three talks about if the the Triple C doesn’t grant
the license then the special permit is null and void would that be operative
under under chapter 40 so it’d be what a year a year I don’t I don’t think it
would I don’t think it would just be limited to a year okay because I mean I
guess my thinking is and this is happening in other communities you have
there’s a lot of money behind these these entities and they’re very I know
it’s a cutthroat business right and first to open first to market is a big
competitive advantage so what you have is in municipalities like ours where
there is a limited district or limited geographical
geographic area where these can be located you have people going in in
applying for permits prior to having the rest of their ducks in a row so that
they can tie up that location because the municipality isn’t going to give
another because we don’t allow them within 500 feet of each other
so if the district is only 5,000 you know many your feet it limits how many
can go in each district you know what I’m saying I mean just something to
think about I don’t I don’t know that we’re gonna solve that problem in this
now quickly before you jump into that I just want to remind folks that we do
have about three minutes left before we have to move on to the other meeting
that we have this evening and so if you want to just quickly jump in there for
the last remaining minutes we can certainly recess and come back to this
discussion I just wanted to emphasize that in order for a marijuana
establishment to apply for a license with the state they have to show that
they’ve had a community outreach meeting that they have a host community
agreement that’s executed and then the prospective marijuana establishment can
apply for a license with the state and at that point the state will contact the
local city or town to make sure that they are in compliance with all of our
with our ordinance and all the regulations that are contained in that
I’ll be honest with those Steve it’s it’s kind of a sham process in some
parts of it right so there’s this form that the the Triple C requires and it’s
like a one-sentence form that says we have on such and such date held a public
meeting right that’s it that’s all you have to submit I was discussing recently
with a an attorney for a marijuana establishment that was looking to open
in Ward 4 and I had some disagreements with them and I said well we’ll just see
what happens at the community meeting you can hear from the people how how bad
of an idea this is if you don’t believe me well I’ll put a hundred people in the
room we’ll drive you out of town in a heartbeat
and he said I’ll have the community meeting at midnight on a Saturday he
said there’s no regulation that says when I have to have that community
meeting so that’s a Mesa just technically it’s true right and they can
still sign that piece of paper and there’s nothing in the regs from the
Triple C that says we can challenge that piece of that that certification because
it’s a certification made by the applicant so so I just worry there’s
some shady characters out there in this business but in the interest of time
I’ll just add one more point to discuss the amendment that I’d like to make it’s
section 11 on page 3 and it’s ours okay okay section 11 gotcha yep yes so I
would prefer just 10 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. I mean that’s my I don’t know what other
people think but I so it looks like we limit the
hours on Sunday as a ward councillor I would want most of the business to be on
Saturday and Sunday so that’s not creating a and I’m thinking of you know
wish you d Drive but so there’s not creating a problem
I would think the weekends would be the time that they would be the busiest and
we are getting three percent of their sales so we want them to be successful
but I also don’t I think there’s more of a negative impact if they’re going you
know between 5:00 and 9:00 p.m. or 5:00 and 8:00 p.m.
do you have a strong feeling one where anotherís terms of hours I do not I
would pray the council’s judgment on that issue seven days a week I would
that’s what I was just but up I’m done for now you want to move on madam chair
and I’ll offer I don’t know if we’re coming back to this or whatever I’ll
offer those as amendments perhaps the first two together and then the hours
separate button sure yeah no I think I’m keeping I’m running list of all the
amendments I’m just going to put by you and by miss gherkin and so I do
appreciate the respect of time and do want to recess this and then after the
other meetings we have scheduled for this evening we’ll come back to
ordinance and go through the amendments so with that I’d like to recess the
ordinance committee meeting at 7:01 p.m. good evening everybody and welcome to
the Quincy City Council’s public hearing on the fiscal year 2020 tax
classification just a little ground rules for the meeting we’ll have a
presentation done by Colleen Healy out of the assessor’s office and then again
this is the public hearing so it’ll be an opportunity for the public to weigh
in and just I guess by way of nature if there are sign-in sheets available in
the back of the room so if you don’t feel comfortable coming to the
microphone please feel free to voice your opinion by signing either sheets in
favor or opposition again located at the back of the room so at this point in
time I would turn the presentation over to Colleen so I’d like to open this
meeting by thanking the staff of the Assessors department their hard work
throughout the year to make tonight possible joining me tonight are my
fellow board members John Rowland and Christopher Oni tonight this meeting is
held for the purpose of voting on the minimum residential factor the vote
taken tonight will determine whether all five classes of property will be taxed
at the same or different rates the assessed values were certified by the
Department of Revenue in October in the fiscal year 2020 budget approved by this
body back in June we hope you had a chance to review the understanding your
taxes publication that you know that we sent you last week this publication
along with tonight’s PowerPoint will be available on our website tomorrow for
anyone to view so tonight’s members of the City Council must decide whether to
tax all classes of property at their full and fair cast valuation share of
the tax levy which results in a single tax rate or to reduce the share of the
tax levy paid by the residential property owners and shift those taxes to
the commercial industrial and personal property tax payers resulting in a split
since 1984 this council has voted to have a split tax rate Assessors must
classify all real property according to its use as of January 1st the four
classes of property are residential open space commercial and industrial be
advised that anything used as a residential dwelling for human
habitation is taxed at the residential rate this includes apartment buildings
personal property is a separate category and is treated as a class for purposes
of allocating the tax levy personal property is classified based on the
legal entity of the business and all personal property is taxed at the
commercial rating this diagram above represents the total assessed value by
class for fiscal year 20 the residential class of property accounts for 85% of
the total value this chart further compares the total assessed value by
class from fiscal year 19 to fiscal year 20 this chart further breaks down the
increase within each class code from fiscal year 19 to fiscal year 20 and
within the residential class code you can see the highest increase was seen in
the condominiums which is up nine point one percent the history of the total
assessed value since FY 16 is represented in the following chart contributing to the increase in value
this year as a result of new growth listed above are some of the major
developments put on the tax roll for fiscal year 2000 of real estate and
personal property and new growth is an increase in assessed value over a prior
year because of new construction or physical improvements to a property this
chart displays new growth in terms of value by class with 68% of the total
value attributable to new growth coming from the residential class of property
however we also show this information in terms of tax dollars because we remind
you that the commercial pays double the what the residential pays in terms of
tax rate which as you can see on this chart here even though the residential
value was made up of 68% it still pays you know 49 percent in terms of tax
dollars Assessors must gather and analyze property sales in order to
assess each property and apply at market adjustments to meet the certification
standards established by the Department of Revenue the sale prices of comparable
properties that sold in close proximity to the assessment date are the primary
indicators of property value so for fiscal year 2020 values were determined
through analyzing sales that occurred during calendar year 18 the following
chart breaks out the amount of single-family sales that occurred by
neighborhood these sales must met standards set by the Department of
Revenue for an arm’s length transaction and you can see that Wollaston had the
highest amount of arm’s length transactions in the single-family sales
with a total of 85 this chart displays the number of single-family sales in
2018 by price point the highest volume of sales range from 400,000 to 500,000
and there were only 17 sales under a purchase price of 300,000 in analyzing
our sales data we determined the median sale price by neighborhood Quincy Center
had the highest median sale price of 592 five preceded by squattin with the
median sale price of 592 the average single assessed single the average
single-family home has an assessed value of 492 9 which is a 5.6 percent increase
over last year’s value if a residential factor of 1 was voted on this body then
all classes of property will be taxed at the same rate and the city of Quincy
will have a single tax rate of $14.20 this means that each class of property
will pay its full and fair cash evaluations share of the tax levy with
both residential and commercial paying the same tax rate tonight your vote
determines whether we adopt the minimum residential factor of 0.87 resulting in
a residential tax rate of 12 dollars and 43 cents for the residential class of
property and 2484 for the commercial class of property does anyone have any
questions on standby right as we revisit this this
is a public hearing and the public is invited to participate in dialogue so at
this point it’s I was you into the public hearing just for time but Colleen
and company will be on standby so again this is a public hearing we want to hear
from the public if you’d like to speak I would ask that you limit your comments
to five minutes as you approach four I will give you a signal
but please by all means approach the microphone name and address for the
record and again if you’re speaking in public is not necessarily your thing
there is an opportunity to sign in in the back of the room with the sign-in
sheet so if anybody would like to speak it’s gonna defer to mr. rhodophil but I
guess up there he is members of the council first off I’d
like to say it was nice to have a presentation about what is gonna happen
on the upcoming rate even though it was just apparently handed out to you just a
bit ago and I have no idea no we had no idea what the rate was gonna be by
contrast Weymouth published a really comprehensive discussion online last
week about what they were going to be doing and it included such data as what
the assessment values were gonna be the average last year tax bill the assessed
value the assessed value expected at the increase there the presentation we had
didn’t address that the public cannot address what is coming down the pike
because they had no knowledge that’s patently absurd then again the tax rates
were basically set when you all approve the six point three percent spending
increase for fiscal 2020 and so please continued this administration’s long
ongoing roughly three or more times the rate of annual inflation budget spending
increase put it another way Quincy faces a structural deficit and it will
continue to do so for at least the intermediate future the inner the
administration keeps touting how new growth has kept property tax rates at
less than its spending increases but such fails to acknowledge the fact that
new development Quincy will give rise to increase local services in the coming
years more school students more traffic increase first responder needs higher
DPW outlays and so on put another way not only is administration now to know
just not acknowledging the reality of the new growth comes with costs and
speaking of the inevitable eventually the economy will cool in so too will new
growth tax revenue and when this happens locals are going to be whacked be it
because the existing property taxes with without sighs property taxes cuts and
local services or some combination of the two because this administration has
failed to see the city’s woefully inadequate reserves merely can’t keep
pace with the rate of annual spending increases in recent years such are not
fiscally responsible plans granted tonight’s not the night for you all to
address these things and out of respect to Brian I’m not going to address a
whole lot more things that need to be addressed but a good case can be made
that the administration has already set the things stage for things to start
hitting the fan in around ten years or maybe sooner if the economy suffers a
long overdue rough patch in any event this body has long been whistling as you
all walked by the graveyard next year next door thank you for your time anybody else wishing to speak regarding
the FY 2020 tax classification I’d rather go half the bill anyway so John
rhodophil I live in Taunton but I’m here tonight representing my dad at 62
grandma’ll Road I will eventually be back to air or I will eventually be back
here in the city and I’m gonna be briefed tonight from remembering what I
just saw during that thing $14 in 20 cents would be the universal tax rate if
we had a single tax I like that number that shows that we are doing a good job
I mean the object of this meeting tonight is the picking of the percentage
it’s not really complaining about how much money we’re spending on taxes and I
think it’s time to go down to the 1.5 I think it’s time to you know we need
businesses to come to Quincy I think we should be at the 1.0 eventually like the
town of Hingham is where they have a single tax rate who they seem to be
doing quite well right now and eventually we’ll get more businesses I
don’t want to come here well we got to go from 1.75 to 1.5
and the time to do that is when the tax rate is going down and it’s consistently
going down it’s going down it’s going down and it’s going down if people want
to live in Quincy they got to pay taxes and it cost a lot of money for services
and everyone has to pay their fair share and I think that the commercial
properties can be maybe assess more fairly – if you look at the commercial
properties I think there’s an effect of having that 1.75 split rate which
doesn’t really get the assessed values where they really truly should be if
they were both at 1.0 we would have true taxes so one thing
I’m going to say about what your job is city councillors this is kind of what I
what I think it’s a two government system we have mayor Koch who I think as
you look over the last four years I’m starting to see the vision I didn’t see
it four years ago but it’s starting to make sense right now we have a mayor who
loves to ask the City Council I want this I want this I want this and it’s
fine to give the mayor this and give them mayor this and give them air this
but I’m gonna say your job I’m gonna say you’re like the loan committee and you
guys have to agree if the loans that the mayor wants to borrow if we should
approve them or you could say no and you can charge the taxpayers of today or
you’re charging the taxpayers of the future I think it’s time for the people
who live in Quincy today to start paying the shares that should they should be
paying I mean to give you an example this right here if anyone’s watching or
can see this at home on $100,000 on a 20-year mortgage at 3% interest you
would pay five hundred and fifty five dollars per month so if we’re borrowing
just a short-term bond and we’re just paying the interest at three percent
then we’re paying three hundred dollars so instead of paying three hundred
dollars and keep you know making that go over and over why not start just paying
the debt I know it allows us to take a dip and go ten
extra years but what that means is that we can take something that should be
paid in 20 years and we can stretch it out and pay it in 30 years let’s start
just paying for things like right away if we’re going to borrow let’s stop
putting off for the future and start paying for today many of the people up
on the Council have children and have families and it’s your children and
families are going to be taxed so that that’s one thing I did notice there is
another bond offering that went in today but the main point is when you look at
some of the things we’re moving 2.2 million dollars we’re moving 4.1 million
dollars we’re moving 2.9 million cause we’re basically moving money to try to
get the tax rate a little bit lower I hope some of these things you say no to
and you we take responsibility and we pay our taxes like we’re supposed to pay
them instead of keep putting them off and off because we have lots of new
projects coming up and we cannot just keep doing this we have to basically
bite the bullet and we have two fairly pay our share of taxes $14.20 as a
universal tax thing to me I think that means we’re doing a good job now like I
said tonight is a thing go to 1.5 Thank You Jon tell the businesses that we want
people to come to Quincy if we want Market Basket to come here they’re not
going to pay 1.75 thank you thanks John we are at just about 7:20 we have two
more public hearings before we get into the regularly scheduled City Council
meeting I would just ask is anybody else here to speak on the fiscal year 2020
tax classification either in favor opposition I am sorry if you don’t mind
I’m gonna suspend this and come back I just didn’t know if anybody else wanted
to give us about maybe five minutes I’m gonna suspend this at 7:20 appreciate
patience with that I would like to open the council order to 0 1 9 – 1 7 8
which is a utility grant of location mass Electric Emerald Street is there a
representative in attendance nope anybody wishing to speak in favor or
opposition this granted location second call favor or opposition last and final
call anybody looking to speak in favor or opposition same drill as before there
is sign-in sheets to weigh in and locate in the back of the room so please feel
free to use them as you wish and with that I will close the public hearing
we’ll be back in three minutes I would like to open the public hearing for
council or 2 to 0 1 9 – 1 7 9 which is a utility granted location National Grid
gas on Felton Road is there anybody in the audience wishing to speak in favor
or opposition well I’m here to represent National Grid so I’m obviously in favor
and we want to install 130 feet we have your name and address all right I don’t
live in Quincy but Kelleher is my name from a National Grid and I live at 25 81
– monster Eaton – Thank You Barbara we wanted the National Grid hereby
respectfully requests your consent to install and maintain approximately 127
feet more or less of 8 inch gasoline in Felton Street in Quincy from the six
inch in the intersection of Billings road and Felton Road northwesterly to
the existing six inch gas main at number 15 Felton Street and this is a system
reinforcement oh thank you anybody else wishing to speak in favor or opposition
second call last and final call anybody wishing to speak in favor or opposition
much like we’ve done before there is sign-in sheets located at the back of
the hall so please feel free to use them as you wish thank you for
coming Barbara and with that we will call this public hearing closed and
resume the regularly scheduled City Council meeting at 7:30 and then we will
go back to the tax classification public hearing so thank you for your for your
patience good evening like to call the
irregularly scheduled Monday December 2nd 2019 meeting of the Quincy City
Council to order madam clerk would you please call the roll
counter King councillor DiBona council harris councillor hughes council Liang
Council Mahoney council McCarthy council pillo muchi president cruel present 8
members 8 members and I do just for the record I did speak with council Harris
and he is dealing with a death in the family so let us all keep Council Harris
and his family in our prayers if you would please councillors rise and join
me in a moment of silence keeping our thoughts and prayers those brave men and
women who courageously defend our country you please join me in the Pledge of
Allegiance well Liberty justice for all thank you all kindly madam clerk would
you please read into the record the Open Meeting Law pursuant to the Open Meeting
Law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting
or matron to meet transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are
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whether perceived or received by those present in demonology and permissible
thank you very much madam clerk we are gonna do a little bouncing around the
small ad this morning this evening because we have multiple items going on
so at this point I’m going to recess the regularly scheduled City Council meeting
we’ll go back into the public hearing portion for the fiscal year 2020 tax
classification then we’ll move to conclude the ordinance committee with
the plastic bag conversation then we’ll come back into the regularly scheduled
City Council meeting so with that I’m going to recess the City Council meeting
and call back into order the public comment period for the fiscal year 2020
tax classification thank you sir for your patience and please the floor is
yours and just for the record your name and address thank you for your patience
I’m a Patrick Alexis I’m at 72 stem industry in West Quincy I’m not as
versed in no the the tax rates and codes in and out but what I do know is that
each year I feel the pressure of property taxes living with my wife who’s
a full-time a worker and mother and myself and you know we chose Quincy
because we felt like Quincy was a nice working-class City which you know I
believe it is but each year my property taxes it just feels like
this it’s this big burden and I’m a city employee myself so I believe in in
paying taxes that’s not the issue it’s just if my property taxes are based off
of valuation my income is not keeping up even if my my home is worth a million
dollars tomorrow my income is not keeping up it’s not money I can put into
my pocket to say oh yes I can buy whatever with it so I don’t know if this
is exactly the meaning for this but if you can at least think about the people
and hopefully the burden of the taxes are not just on us but I see a lot of
high-rises going up a lot of buildings a lot of condos we have to spread this
around it can’t just be on the backs of the people to carry everything because
it’s it’s it’s hard it’s not easy Thank You Patrick
anybody else wishing to weigh in on the fiscal year 2020 tax classification okay
seeing that I will close this public hearing and will resume with ordinance
committee okay I would like to call back in to order the money December sack
December 2nd meeting the Quincy City Council ordinance committee at 7:35 p.m.
and last we left off we’re reviewing some amendments ever proposed by
councillor Pam Lucci mr. jerk and if you don’t mind coming back up to the podium
to answer any questions councilman which I’m just going to start
by going back to you the last amendment that you had proposed was adding the
language around the host community agreement and I just wanted to give you
an opportunity to add any other amendments before I go to any of the
councillors thank you sorry I didn’t realize you were talking to me
the kroll and pamela g kids have a snow day tomorrow we were plotting some
sledding I have so I have three amendments that
it would offer I’ll offer them in mass I guess for the sake of brevity they are
adding the word public to the performance standard section 6 point ten
point four section 1 C so that the line reads any public playground and then
again in the same location in subsection E so it resentence would read any public
facility which sponsors youth activities I think counselor pallucci is looking to
amend 6.10 point for performance standards 1 a subsection C and E is that
right counselor mine doesn’t have a name it would be six point ten point four one
C and one e there’s no A or B six point ten point four one okay to clarify what
you want to show him so under our paper here where it says a one a and then back
over here it says ABCDE F to the following letters under one a should be
a subsection of the subsection one a correct yes okay yes well then that and
then 6.10 point for performance standards section two which is the last
paragraph on page two leading into page three at the end of that paragraph
adding the following language at least 60 days prior to the execution by the
mayor the host community agreement must be submitted to the City Council for
review and I’ll offer that as a single
amendment and then I’ll offer the hours separately because I think some folks
may want to have input so on those three amendments say me have any questions or
any comments on just these three m own men
okay all those in favor aye any opposed okay so those three amendments are
passed okay so next I would say in performance performance standards
section 11 the hours of operation I would amend that section to allow for
hours month all days of the week hours 10:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. okay so this is
sorry section 11 hours operation okay so this amendment is too many hours to be
10:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. and this is again just to clarify of seven days a
week correct correct and I’m open to discussion I mean a discussion of my
colleagues over here as the meetings been going on I throw it out there on
the table for discussion now let’s just speak to what why I think that makes
more sense than what’s there I as I said earlier I think Saturday and Sundays
there should be longer hours because that’s when there’s less of you know a
traffic crunch and again I’m thinking from the perspective of reshoot e Drive
right well we know there’s already a marijuana establishment who is seeking
who will be or would like to proceed to retail recreational retail so I’m
thinking in terms of that rasuu T Drive intersection and I want more people to
go you know if there’s a hundred people go in there a week I would prefer more
of those people go on Saturday and Sunday
than any day during the week especially during rush hour so that’s why I think
and I think 9 p.m. is too late 9 p.m. is what the allowed hours are
here I think 9 p.m. is too late I think 8 p.m. is a reasonable amount of time
I don’t see why 11 a.m. is better than 10 a.m. in terms of opening and I think
it should be the same hour 7 days a week so that’s my pitch Thank You counselor I
appreciate you allowing the opportunity to open it up for any questions from
your colleagues so with that I’ll open up to any questions that my colleagues
might have counsel morning just to add on that I was I’m an agreement that the
hours of operations should change maybe two lesser hours and doing some of the
research that I had with other communities that actually have
opened this they actually did have some problems with hours of operation because
they went to 10 p.m. and they’re trying to pull it back to 7 p.m. and the reason
why it became a problem is because of there’s just it’s very late in the
evening to be to being having that so so they are one of the advices that was
received from other community another community that I was discussing this
with was to establish hours of operation until 7:00 p.m. across the board I’m not
opposed for a 10:00 a.m. in the morning but 7:00 p.m. is a closing closing time
potential so rather than 8 maybe 7 p.m. because and there’s a couple of things
that go with that too is it the lines that they were proceeding huge lines
because of having online sales and then also people that worth giving into line
they need to have police details on duty and several other things that are
interrupted to the neighborhood so just maybe taking that into consideration as
well Thank You councillor honey so councilman
from what I’m hearing from that there is an amendment to your proposed amendment
to go until 7 p.m. um Thank You councillor honey I didn’t
with one of my other colleagues had a question as well as so councillor came
to my amendment so it would be 10 down 10 to 7:00 p.m. his council know he said
it’s we can also add it later if someone comes before us once they’re in
operation and they need more hours it’s harder to take hours away from an
establishment so I’m I’m fine with that currently the amendment proposed is
10:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. councillor kane stan the logic a little
bit better here so if we’re concerned about folks accessing this one
particular facility well I think any facility but well but I think you’re
thinking with this one in mind as opposed to anywhere else so there’s two
sides to it is you know we’re trying to allow businesses to operate in function
right and so you want to give them proper time to do so so that they’re
making some money and then we’re able to in turn know some money because this we
are taxing them to do so and there’s a 3% tax that where you’re talking about
so you know I guess limiting those hours to 7:00
p.m. doesn’t make much sense to me because I have an understanding that the
people of all walks of life are gonna enjoy this type of facility it’s not
just a stereotypical negative near do well so you know folks who I would
assume our parents who have to do things with their children you know who might
want to enjoy a facility might not have time before 7 p.m. I would assume so why
10 makes sense I don’t know why 10 makes sense as opposed to 11 but I would think
that you’d want to keep it open to at least 8 or 9 4 for folks so I don’t I
don’t know if you’re wedded to this but I I don’t think that there’s a
completely oh yeah I don’t I don’t think there’s any rational thinking to 10:00
to 7:00 for hours of operation or to trying to keep this type of thing only
busy during the weekend I think you’re gonna end up having more of a cluster
situation if you’re trying to keep the operations open longer on the weekends
and you are during the week so I don’t know if I’m making I would be
potentially if people would be supportive I’d be potentially making
amendment to support longer hours which would be 10 to 10 to 8 or 10 to 9 but I
don’t know what wouldn’t where the winds blowing today so I’m open to anything I
just really the the thing I feel the most strongly about it so right now as
written it’s Monday through Saturday 11:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. in Sunday 12:00
p.m. to 6:00 p.m. I just feel really strongly about that Sunday it makes no
sense to me why where we would limit the hours on Sunday when I think that would
be a day that folks would be able to get up there and there’s less of a traffic
traffic burden throughout the city so I’m really okay I mean liquor stores are
similarly open you know some you know supermarkets are open later so I know I
know I look at them the same there they’re places where you’re you’re
picking up substances for lack of a better term for
recreational use so I’ve seen that I’ve seen dis ordinance that have
specifically tie it to liquor stores so I’ve seen a couple of ordinance that say
same operate operating hours as I would say I would say we go with that
a lot of sense okay sorry sorry to interrupt both of you but I’m gonna
withdraw my motion I’m gonna withdraw my motion to amend entirely okay then I
think council canes can offer an amendment to tie it to the liquor
establishment operating hours in the city sure so then I’ll make an amendment
to section six point ten point four section two I’m sorry so section 11
I guess whatever language would say that we can tie it to liquor sir so hours of
operation of licensed marijuana retailers shall be restricted to the
same hours of operation yeah restrict yeah thank you restricted to the same
ounce of operation as liquor establishments okay and then that’ll go
straight through to the end where it says no later than sixty no later than
6:00 p.m. so then that section will be cut out and then after so hours of
operation of licensed marijuana retailers shall be restricted to the
same operating areas as liquor establishments licensed marijuana
retailers who violate this provision the rest of that was staying in is that
correct yes thank you okay so there is an amendment now to our to the section
11 here for hours of operation does anybody have any discussion or questions
or comments counter Crowell missus I apologize what is the designated or
specific times of hours of operation for a liquor store that’s a great question
clerk could probably do you know with our current hours of operations are
fairly established runs 9 a.m. to 11 p.m. and noon – I believe it’s 8:00 on
Sunday so 9:00 a.m. to 11 p.m. Monday through
Saturday and 12 p.m. to 8 p.m. on Sundays I appreciate we’re just trying
to clarify I think I’m on Sundays it might be 11 to a p.m. and on the noon to
8 is it 11:00 or yes okay so just to clarify again so if we’re if we’re going
with this amendment to change the hours of operation where it says hours of
operations of licensed marijuana retailers shall be restricted to the
same operating hours as the liquor establishments those operating hours
would be Monday through Saturday currently Monday through Saturday from
9:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. and then on Sundays from 11:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m.
within those hours people have different operational capacities all over the city
for different types of they do absolutely and you see some liquor
stores go from 12:00 to 6:00 on Sunday it’s it’s totally up to them and when
they come before us they they put their hours of operation out there and if it
suits the community then and that’s part of their proposal so they have to
operate within those hours is what we’re trying to establish here correct okay
thank you does anybody I’m sorry counsel all you had did you
have another clarifying question or was that the only
me particularly as I look at sort of the zoning tables I know that you know one
of the areas could be down in Quincy point that does abut residential
neighborhoods and whereas like I’ve been following this sort of rollout if you
will from a Brookline perspective for some time now I guess I think I’m more
in the start slow camp and the reason I say that is I kind of look at what
they’re going through right now in the sense of really taking it to a
whole different conversation in the context of you know appointment only so
there has been noticeable increases to you know traffic and stuff like that
whereas this is a new business model for the city and I understand the voters
have spoken so it’s not a matter of if it’s a matter of when my logic is I just
I would feel more comfortable seeing sort of how it rolls out Thank You
councillor just any other Hauser’s have any questions or comments on this
particular moment before we move forward I just looked up our months hours which
is the only act of marijuana dispensary in the city their hours are Monday
through Friday 10:00 to 7:00 Saturday 6:00 and Sunday 11:00 to 5:00 but you
can you just repeat that say that’s Monday through Friday 10:00 to 7:00 10
a.m. to 7 p.m. Saturday 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. and Sunday 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. which
which I’m gonna say is those aren’t I don’t believe those are the hours that
we put in the medical marijuana ordinance I think those are more
restrictive than what we allow what we allowed for in the medical marijuana
ordinance so just to kind of support what the council came was saying just
because we say a store can be open till 11:00 doesn’t mean they will be open
till 11:00 I think and I also think that a big part of the marijuana rollout
statewide has been about equity you know for communities that have been disparate
impacted by drug abuse and the war on drugs
Quincy is one of those communities I’m in favor of being more lenient with ours
you know I’m always a I come from a philosophy of I trust somebody until
they give me reason not to trust them anymore I treat people the way I would
want to be treated and that’s how I’ve engaged with air montt they’ve been a
great partner with the city and with me in terms of any problems that have
occurred and I would expect any buddy else opening up a marijuana
establishment will be similarly eager to please the city and work with us if
there was a problem that people making too much noise because it was open too
late whether it’s at the shipyard or a shoot
he’d arrive I expect that that those operators will work with the city
because our host agreement only lasts five years all right so there’s a
five-year window here you have to renegotiate that host agreement every
five years so we could say after five years we don’t want you anymore because
you’ve been a pain in the ass and you haven’t done anything we’ve
asked you to do you know to mitigate some of the negative impacts you’ve had
in the community so we’re done with it we don’t have to sign up keep the host
community agreement with them after five years so I’m supportive of that I think
it’s very similar to a liquor store the pros and cons and when we restrict
things to certain hours we’re if we take our own personal kind of experience that
okay we work jobs 9:00 to 5:00 that’s not how everybody in the community works
you know somebody works an overnight shift and you know whatever their life
brings you don’t know so I’d rather be more open
then less open when it comes to those so I’ll support this amendment thank you
thank you okay so any other questions or comments on this particular amendment
for the arms of operation council McCarthy thank you miss Sherman I was all set
with the with the ten to two eight o’clock I thought that was a good way to
start I know this is and and I know the point that counsel Keynes making in
fairness it was something that narrowly got approved here in Quincy fifty
wonderful 51 to 49 percent a few years ago it could have been the other way I
know there’s a lot of people in in Quincy that I’m thrilled with this at
all and I know it’s something that was on the books and you said it passed 51
to 49 I look at it more like taking baby steps in regards because there’s gonna
only be one location right now for a while and you know I pretty sure they’re
gonna take full advantage of the hours and be open as much as possible because
they’re trying to make a dollar and I totally understand that but I do have
reservations on on on that amount of time right off the bat I know it’s
something we might be able to come back and and and relook if we we think we
have a problem but I was set on the hours that were in here just this is
just my own comment set on the hours that we’re in here to start off with
instead of going right through the the full-blown all-day marijuana dispensary
being open I thought it was more of a conservative practical look at something
that we haven’t had here ever so I really just do add in I want to come in
councilor pal Muji’s through diligence going going through it adding in the
state legislation with well actually the comment that
mr. Durkin made about the state legislation with the 500 linear I know
we talked about that but council paw mochi with the 60-day notice that the
council knows something’s going to get dropped particularly into the award so
that they know that something is coming down the pike and the other changes that
council Pal Moochie made but the hours bother me a little bit I said I don’t
want to be unfair to a new business that’s going to hit the streets but it’s
something we’ve never had before and I look at it that way so thank you
Thank You Kathy okay before we move forward with this amendment are there
any other questions or comments on this particular amendment no okay so
counselor Kane this is a motion to approve the amendment that you’re
proposing to change the hours of operation to match liquor stories which
would be again currently as it stands 9:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. and then 11:00
to a p.m. correct okay and on that I think just for the discussion here I
would like to do a roll call for this to see if the amendments going to move so
madam clerk you can call the roll counselor counselor Hewes counsel
Mahoney Council McCarthy no counselor pal Moche yes yes that counts I’m how
much were there any other amendments that you’re looking at okay thank you
I’m all right so with that I want yes sorry counselor gain the the one thing
that I I don’t see in here and please point it out with the different there is
are there any limiting factors are there any limits to the number of licenses
that are granted for a city or town yeah we have in here let me see let me see if
I can find it we have it in Subsection 7 of oh it’s just my space yeah it’s
subsection 7 it limits it to 20% of the number of licenses that
issued under General Laws chapter 138 so 20% of the number of liquor stores I
think the city clerk will will verify that we have 35 liquor stores and so 20%
of that would be seven got it thank you okay appreciate it thank you that miss
gherkin had discussed when we had first started the ordinance committee meeting
and I want to open up the conversation to my colleagues for any questions or
comments on the red line and blue line amendments that mr. gherkin had spoke to
sir oh sorry accounts my pony had her hand
up first answer Mahoney actually I did before we go into the red lines I did
have another question rank regards our separate if I could so in regards to and
I think there’s a section here and I forgive me when I say had it marked
annoying I can’t buy from health or so in birth so some of my recent research
that I was doing and I was also doing a lot of research in regards to what’s
happening in Brookline right now and their hours of operation were until 10
o’clock and it was in a section of the city that is is kind of off off of Route
9 but it does backups and old it was an old bank and it does back up into a
neighborhood which again these are restricting the restriction of the
designation of how far they can be from a neighborhood so but one of the
problems that they’re running into and not sure where we would put it in he
into this ordinance is then you know whether or not the number of people are
that are lining up if there is in need of a police detail if it goes and if
it’s allowed to be open till 11 o’clock which I wasn’t in favor of the noise the
garbage that comes with it who’s in charge of those things because
they’re not on the premise of because the lines are going that far down that
they’re not in the premise of the actual facilities but they’re actually in the
sides and the neighborhoods so I guess I’m asking you where where was word that
fit into into this ordinance well apart from the apart from the issue of a
marijuana establishment being in close proximity to a neighborhood
I want to emphasize again that cities and towns have an added safeguard and
that safeguard is that marijuana businesses must enter into a host
community agreement with a city or town and I think those kinds of details as
far as a police presence to maintain order and that sort of thing that can be
worked out in a host community agreement and I think it would be something that
would be advisable to be worked out in those agreements it’s a public health
and safety requirements was where I was looking at it for this because one of
the other problems that they’re having in Brookline is because of the length of
the lines that and the lack of access to facilities that they that they had
people using neighborhoods too so they were gonna bathroom in people’s
neighbors and they brought in porta potties the last thing I would want to
see is in your shoe T Drive porta-potties so I guess I’m bringing
this up because this is learnings that we are having from other communities
that are going through this and like I said the trash and the things that are
going on so that’s it it says right here for for you know your public safety
requirements and collation for process for storing marijuana but I also have
the health concerns for that and you’re saying that that’d be some that would be
taken up in in when they actually go to zoning is that where that would come in
where would they where would this come into play when you’re saying that it
would be taken care of because they’d have a house the host community
agreement is a document that has to be negotiated and executed negotiated
between the city’s designee in this case it’s the mayor and the marijuana
establishment so I would just suggest to you counseling and all the counselors
that those sorts of details can be worked out in a host community agreement
and keep in mind that just because we have an ordinance doesn’t mean that
other rules and laws and local ordinances don’t apply and
if people people are doing things they ought not to be doing while standing in
line waiting to get into a marijuana business that can be monitored by the
police department without having anything no I understand that it can be
monitored I’m saying that when we’re trying to establish the ordinance for
what’s gonna happen here in Quincy that we should you know do it with the lens
of really looking at things it’s not to say that we’re not we I understand that
we’re a yes community and that this is coming but I also think it’s our it’s
our obligation to make sure that when we’re looking and that we’re looking at
this and how it’s going to fit into our community that we’re also asking the
right questions to make sure that we’re protecting ourselves in the ordinance
that we’re creating and being conservative about the things that we’re
doing so that we’re in control of it from the start and then as we build the
relationship with those businesses and see the impact into the community we can
loosen those regulations rather than start with the door wide open and then
go back and try to figure out what are what other ordinances protect the areas
that may be the businesses are going into because I do agree that when they
first when they first open in communities they become they’re they’re
they’re somewhat of a novelty they’re not here yet so when they do come it’s a
know people are interested they’re going to check it out and eventually maybe it
will quell itself and it will quiet itself down on its own but and we’re not
we’re not there yet this is a new this is this is relatively new to most
communities in Massachusetts as it’s a new law and we’re a yes community and as
councillor McCarthy had mentioned we were 5149 and we owe it to the neighbors
that are going to be near the established community establish
locations and there are gonna virtue Drive does have residential neighbors
that are up there and I just want to make sure that we’re taking that into
consideration I personally don’t think I’d be wanting to spend that much money
to live up and we should he Drive to come down the street to see potentially
the year the issues that they’re having in Brookline so I think it’s it’s well
within our needs to be able to discuss that yeah your points are well-taken
councillor I I would just say that you know when we draft an ordinance we can’t
possibly envision every eventuality no I I understand that I understand that and
I certainly am NOT suggesting that we prolong thing
until we actually predict every single possible nuance of what we need to do
like I said this is something that’s new that most communities are going through
and what all we have to do is look to our neighbors who have said yes there’s
only a handful of communities that have have already have opened established
facilities and we can learn from what they’re doing and some of the problems
they’re having I mean this was in Brookline this is in an in an area
that’s pretty well-established and further away but their second location
that they were thinking about doing it was closer to Coolidge Corner and they
were having some problems and they were trying to do it by by appointment only
and they are having some issues that are going through and we are going to have
more than one that opens so and this is an ordinance that’s going to be a
blanket ordinance for not just the first one that’s going to open but for all
that are going to come to Quincy as well so we don’t want to come back and keep
trying to tighten the tighten the knot we want to actually make sure we’re
coming out of the gates in a correct manner counsel you had you would mention
the possibility of perhaps having requiring a police detail to maintain
order at some of these and that’s something that other councillors would
be receptive to but I’m not sure that it would be necessary I’m not saying that
it has to be in the ordinance what I’m at I’m talking about it these are things
that we have to take a lens to that there’s a health issue that was was
established in Brookline when Brookline opened up and that became a health issue
because of some of the things that were happening and they had to go back and
revisit it I’m suggesting that this is going to be our first and I’m suggesting
that there will be lines that I’m suggesting that we do need to look at
those things and what will what are what are we going to what is the requirements
that we’re going to put upon the businesses that are going to open to be
make sure that we’re protecting in the area and the neighborhoods that are up
there not necess the police detail is something that as you said it’s in other
areas that we can make required by by that I just wanted to know where it
would fit into yeah there there is another provision in this ordinance
Council that provides for the city’s Health Department to promulgate
regulations local regulations to address health concerns that may crop up so that
perhaps is an area where they could where they could develop regulations in
that regard and again the host community agreement is key here because every
community has a different care they’re different needs different
desires and the host community agreement allows a local community to address the
specific needs that Quincy has you know with regard to a particular establish in
a particular location in the city and you said that that was something that be
worked out with the mayor’s office or who the mayor’s office under this
ordinance he would be the designated contact for to negotiate a host
community agreement with a prospective marijuana business trajectory apologize
but with the amendment that we had also moved on to make sure that ISIL for
review is gonna say that that cover is covered by a council Mochis amendment
that would if something like that was to come forward then it would the City
Council or more importantly the ward councillor who represents that area that
this establishment would go into would be aware of potentially the house
agreement that’s happening and be able to put their two cents into it to make
sure that it’s protecting their area yeah absolutely all right thank you
thank you guys Mahoney councilman she had a couple of things to that point so
there are 31 marijuana establishments that have been permitted in the
Commonwealth of Massachusetts been open for roughly a year or so the bulk of
them only Netta in Brookline has had the kind of problems that Netta in Brookline
has had there hasn’t been these same problems and and I share the concern
that councillor Mahoney has but I just want to be very clear that if we had a
problem with dozens of people defecating on the sidewalk on rashidi Drive
I would I would immediately language immediately seek to invoke section 9 of
this ordinance which says licensed marijuana establishments which cultivate
manufacture or processed marijuana and which presents a public nuisance to the
city or its inhabitants are subject to special permit revocation or suspension
by the city so if we had those problems I would immediately seek to have their
license suspended or revoked depending on the severity of it as it relates to
and we were the I think the second or third community to have a medical
facility and there’s been very little if any problems as a result of that
facility as a result of the ordinance that does these bodies the ordinance is
that this body put in place to regulate those which were similar to this and
then lastly I would just point out that so we’ve only gone through this process
once at this point with a marijuana establishment seeking to open
recreational retail site and that’s with Vermont and I can speak to my experience
and my experience with this administration we negotiated a host
agreement together and we didn’t negotiate that host agreement and really
start to finalize it until after we had a community meeting with the folks who
were most concerned we had a public mean I think you were there actually
counselor I think you were there and counselor Damona was there as well we
had a meeting on it and they think counseling yang was there as well all
the art large councilors kicking in there but we had we had a discussion and
we took in we took into consideration what the residents who live on Rudy
Drive just as if it was in the shipyard I fully trust a counselor krola take
into consideration the residents concerns there and craft a host
community agreement that seeks to mitigate any potential negative impacts
one one specific impact that wouldn’t apply to the shipyard perhaps but
certainly applies to Rashidi Drive that we put in place as part of the host
community agreement is folks coming from the city getting across that highway
off-ramp and what we’re having them do is put in a required a state police
detail to be at that intersection during peak rush hours when if they’re open and
that’s to help mitigate any traffic not traffic but any safety concerns related
to excess traffic that would be going up reshoe D Drive because of that so I
think I think this ordinance it does a good job creating a framework but with
any framework there are going to be minor tweaks here and there that can be
worked within that framework such as requiring details or
you know I know one of the problems with net up in Brookline was the long lines
that they were having and all the problems that the long lines bring the
noise the the other issues that’s something that I fully expect that we
would be able to work out with the particular establishments and the
operators moving forward so certainly worth noting and thinking about but I
think what we have here is a good framework that puts in place some core
values and more specifically and more importantly which we haven’t really
gotten into here but is where they’re allowed right is where they’re allowed
and they’re not going to be in predominantly single-family
neighborhoods they’re not going to be near schools they’re not going to be
near playgrounds I think that’s the most important takeaway from here and this
ordinance gives a city I mean as a warrior public nuisance to the city or
its inhabitants is a very very gray area we can interpret that as aggressively or
as passively as we want to and as the situation would require so if they cause
a public nuisance to the city or its inhabitants we can revoke or suspend
their license to me that’s all the enforcement we really need to ensure
compliance with whatever problems come up so I’ll be some I’ll be supporting
this I would move for adoption of the amendments proposed by mr. Durkin and
then I’ll okay so there’s a motion on the floor to accept this ordinance for
positive recommendation for this ordinance with the amendments presented
by mr. Durkin just to clarify those the red line and blue line amendments in the
ordinance before is correct councilor yes and does this also then include the
other amendments that we had moved on yes okay so this is a proposal to have a
positive recommendation for this ordinance with all the moments discussed
and passed here this evening okay before we move to you know do a roll call with
us I just wanted to take an opportunity to again thank my colleagues for this I
mean you know all of you who joined us this evening this is a very robust
conversation but this is one of many that we’ve had in the last year and a
half you know there’s a reason for that right this is the again decision for us
to figure out how we’re going to do this not the if and it’s really important
that we make sure we put our best foot forward to our research we
the state’s cannabis Control Commission come down we spoke with a member of the
Quincy Police Department we had a public meeting here we have a community meeting
about and council promo cheese Ward’s there’s been a lot of work and
deliberation done by my colleagues and I just want to thank all of you for your
thoughtful consideration in the last year and a half as well as this evening
so with that I want to thank you for you work tonight mister and I want to thank
you for your work on this as well and I just want to stress how you know it’s
not it’s not easy to put this document together right we have to work within
the confines of what the state and the cannabis Control Commission has put in
front of us and I you know this document my colleagues you know have been working
off this document from the cannabis Control Commission as well States on the
first page we cannot impose restore we have to impose reasonable safeguards on
the operation of marijuana establishments provided that they are
not unreasonably impractical and not in conflict with state law and regulation
so given those confines again we have to approach the how we’re doing this really
carefully and I want to thank my colleagues for taking the time to make
sure that you know we are doing that so with that I’m on the motion madam clerk
and thank you Miss trickin a command appear members of the council okay
councillors so thank you for your patience on this is evening we’re gonna
move to the last item in ordinance committee which is council order 2019 –
1 to 5 ordinance amending Title 18 environmental protection adding chapter
18 point 3-0 disposable plastic retail shopping bags this order was brought
before us by a joint ordinance presented by the mayor’s office and council Pro
Moochie I want to start by saying thank you for bringing this to us and I want
to thank my colleagues again for making sure we’re doing the due diligence
leading up to this conversation this evening for this matter before us so
with that I’m going to defer to council prime Moochie because you did introduce
this to us if you have any questions or comments but I will just say for folks
here this evening that this our presentation with any questions that you
might have will be directed to mr. Walker in the mayor’s office
so with that counts if I may change thank you I I really have no it’s the
ordinance speaks for itself the only thing I’d speak to is I think I
certainly got emails and phone calls and I’m sure other counselors did as well
from folks who wanted us to to add in paper bags as well to be in those and
I’ll just speak to that and what I said to those folks and what I’ll say
publicly now is you know baby steps let’s get rid of the plastic bags first
and then come make an argument about paper bags and we’ll see what happens
but like I said it I think it speaks for itself so I would simply move approve
and then open it up for debate I move positive recommendation and she move the
ordinance as it stands in front of us do any of my colleagues have any questions
or comments no okay I am I just have one amendment I’d like
to change on this and so at the bottom of page two it says this ordinate a
Quebec sixty days after its enactment I just want to put a hard date on that so
that you know as counselors I’m good sweet to our residents and residents and
folks watching at home know when that hard start date is going to be so 60
days I would like to have this say this orange shall take effect March 1st 2020
and again this is an effort to just make sure that we don’t have a rolling 60
days we have an actual start date for this ordinance to take effect so that’s
an amendment that I would like to propose I’m Jenny of my colleagues have
any questions or comments on that I welcome them no okay so all those in
favor any opposed thank you okay so Jamie else have any other questions or
comments on the ordinance as it stands okay so I have a motion to move positive
recommendation okay okay as amended so council upon which you
have a motion on the floor to accept this with pots of recommendation as
amended yes thank you okay so just to clarify the orders
before us this evening we’re 2018 – 0 – 7 amending the city of Quincy zoning
ordinance adding section 6 point 10 establishments that had a positive
recommendation out of committee but I just want to let folks know for a matter
of order this still does have to go to planning board to get any last questions
or comments from them so now that we move this out of committee it will go to
planning for approval hopefully by this week and at our next council meeting we
can bring it out for full approval on the council Council promote you what so
what’s the status with the Planning Board they have 60 days to act on on any
ordinance change that we send them this has been kicking around I don’t know
what’s the date June 17th so we’re well past the sixty days they had what’s
what’s going on with the Planning Board just madam clerk click a committees I
don’t know who would know that that’s why somebody a lot smarter than us a
long time ago required that you guys be here at these meetings
I forgot I threw you I spoke this afternoon
with and the question was you know this was presented to the Planning Board a
year and a half ago they heard it they did not act on it at that time I guess
it’s expected that it’ll go back before the board now that there’s are you
talking about the marijuana one yeah okay I’m good to know I was talking
about the plastic bag one marijuana one that was in front of us for the last
year and a half but means even though it came out of positive intention this
evening it does still need to go in front of planning boards I did not not
neither one of them have to go back because they’re both 60 days older than
60 days so they’re their window for comment is closed if the Planning Board
doesn’t choose to comment within 60 days we shouldn’t keep asking them do you
want to comment you want to comment I trust the planning director and the
Planning Board know what we send them and if they had something to add
the purpose is if they want to add something or object to something which
they have in the past they have an opportunity to do so we’ve given them
that opportunity I think we should move on with these ordinances they’ve had
them long enough they want it away and I just don’t know unless mr. fatsy says
know we’ve been really busy we want to get
into this and and weigh in then you know I would defer to them respectfully if
they want to weigh him but I feel like we got the answer there was no finding
there was there was no action take when it was presented to the Planning Board
nor was there need for them to act on it but in the event that there was an ask
this excuse me of the council to run it by the Planning Board we’d be happy to
to reassess it but that’s okay okay thank you I think I think I’m you know
given that and given the time form that has been given into this we can
certainly bring all three orders out for her votes that see thing on the full
body of the council’s so with that I’d like to close the ordinance committee
meeting at 8:20 p.m. like to call back to order the regularly scheduled City
Council meeting however garden the fiscal year 2020 tax
classification before I open up to the floor with joined here this evening by
the director of municipal finance markovin ah mr. Cavanaugh welcome sir
and I believe you have some comments that you want to share with the body so
the floor is yours all set mr. president yes sir thank you
and counselors hello staff this is the fiscal year 2020 time
flies financial presentation sorry counselor do we have some just to watch
the screen Emily it’s just a slide deck mr.
Kavanagh is that you have any collateral to pass out or it’s just on the screen
that was a question thank you on the screen as well all set the tax levy is
increasing five and a half percent to two hundred and forty-one million 0.9
it’s a twelve and a half million dollar increase both the residential rate and
the commercial rate are going slightly down to twelve forty three and twelve
eighty four respectively the average single-family residence bill will
increase this year to two hundred and seventy one dollars increase up two
hundred and seventy one dollars and the average bill is up to six thousand one
hundred and twenty six dollars we have several comps for you some
year-over-year some bike community the average single family home is assessed
at four hundred and ninety two thousand dollars this year which is
from last year’s 466 that’s an increase of 5.6% and what’s interesting actually
it’s it’s it’s amazing just six short years ago during the 2014 tax rate recap
we had just pushed through the $300,000 mark and here six years later where
we’re looking at effectively average single-family home price of $500,000
comparisons from other social communities I’ll lead that by saying
prior to last year we had tried to select cities that had similar economics
as Quincy home values proximity to Boston inflation housing sales and so
forth and it was a little more difficult for people to relate to so last year
came up with the idea to go with all South Shore communities and it was very
well received people had a lot more familiarity with the cities surrounding
us the average single-family tax bill in 2019 was for Quincy was five thousand
eight fifty five you can see how that highlighted green compares to the rest
of the South Shore communities the average bill was about sixty three
hundred and eighty five dollars for 2019 and you’ll see this trend in in other
cops Quincy is largely in the middle grouping we’re not we’re not at the far
end we’re not at the exclusive community end and we’re not at the lower end
you’ll find us in the middle most often sometimes a little ahead sometimes a
little bit behind the middle the next comparison is an average single family
home tax bill with an average Quincy home value which is a as we said this
year is four hundred and ninety two thousand so let’s call it five hundred
thousand that’s how that would compare to other so sure communities
you see Quincy highlighted in green that would be 6126 dollars for the average
single-family home a value a home with the value of that $500,000 if it were
and say Duxbury sliding a little bit to the right the taxes would be over 7,000
the average for also sure is seventy four hundred dollars for a $500,000 home
sliding father over you seen oil well you see Plymouth 500 thousand dollar
home in those communities over eight thousand dollars for a tax bill another
comp new by Eric I just saw this for the first time the other day it’s the story
of the mountain last year Quincy had a fifth was in the 51st percentile for
average single family home tax bills what that means is about half the
communities and this one statewide had tax bills above that and about half had
tax bills below that so we truly are in the middle when you look statewide for
an average single family home excess levy capacity which is always a fan
favorite excess levy capacity is the amount of money a municipality is under
the prop two-and-a-half levy limit and incidentally this is we’re coming on the
40th anniversary of proposition two-and-a-half which unfortunately I am
old enough to remember being voted in the municipality cannot spend over the
levy limit without voter approval this is commonly referred to as an override
or a tax override and you’ll see communities have to get into that
situation they have emergency expenditures maybe a fire engine goes
school roof and they have to do something very quickly if they don’t
have excess capacity they have to arrange an override and get the vote by
the people Quincy will remain a top 5 community for excess levy capacity with
a projection per ejected capacity of over thirty four and
a half million dollars and this represents taxes that the city could
have raised but declined to looking at our financials they’re not they’re not
issued yet but we have the draft financials from powers and Sullivan that
we’ve been working with the city is going to fiscal they’re going to finish
this year with a fiscal surplus of about two and a half million dollars and this
surplus is in part what is allowing the city to provide tax bill relief to
homeowners the city maintained a double a-plus credit rating from Standard &
Poor’s we also have a stable outlook from Standard & Poor’s they typically
will look two years down the road measure us by dozens of factors room
occupancy stores opening businesses employment and the outlook looks stable
which is of course where we want to be standard and poors sites strong fiscal
management diverse tax base as major factors in the high credit rating by the
way that credit rating is the second highest credit rating possible Standard
& Poor’s has ten different categories for rating cities we’re second from the
top tops is triple-a we remain at double a-plus and the outlook is again as I
said is stable before you tonight are several council otters beginning really
with the free cash certification by do I received last month and I’d like to
thank Susan for all her hard work on that as always along with Eric and our
outside accountants we are certified at eight million seventy thousand and
eighty nine dollars of that means we can obviously discuss in detail we have 2.9
million being taken from free cash and appropriated to reduce the tax levy and
lower taxes in addition we have an appropriation from prior years
purchase orders unspent purchase orders that we’ve taken and again one of one of
you is that 1.8 1 5 million to reduce the
tax levy and lower taxes there are other isolated council orders regarding the
Community Preservation votes and funding as well as the different orders taking
care of diff financing but for a moment we’ll look at the Stabilization
Appropriations we have an appropriation of 1,034,000 $18 to the Stabilization
Fund that would raise the level of this fund to 12 and a half million dollars
within 2 years of coming here in 2011 that Stabilization Fund was under a
million dollars it was $900,000 which is not all that long ago well maybe it is
the OPP trust which didn’t exist that many years ago we’re going to make a
contribution of 1 million 34,000 $18 bringing the trust fund balance to 3
million 139 thousand dollars it’s not a lot in the big picture but it’s a lot to
the rating agencies and the process we’re going through to continue to put
money aside we also have a contribution to the inclement weather fond of five
hundred and seventeen thousand dollars timely night to discuss that that’ll
bring the total amount as we go into this winter with our appropriation of
2.7 million the additional 500,000 being appropriated tonight if you youth you so
vote would give us a balance a 3.2 million going into the winter that’s
more than about a million dollars we’ve needed the last two years last two years
been pretty mild with snowfall of 40 and 46 inches so who knows what we’re in
store for but that Shores up that fund and that’s it for the formal
presentation we’re open for questions as I said if Eric’s worked extensively with
Jim powers on a lot of these issues as well as with the assessor’s office so
tonight he’s my left-hand man but if I can’t answer it Eric probably can the
oil to the floor a couple things I noticed
right out of the gate with the free cash certification does that number seem
traditionally higher does the Oh the free gift yeah it’s the highest that’s
the highest we’ve had since I’ve been here yeah just a product of how we’ve
done financially during the year there’s really literally dozens of factors that
go into that but it’s it’s basically you’re taking all of the city’s revenue
subtracting out the expenses that had to be paid but you also factored in
accounts payable that erode on the accrual method as well as accounts
receivable for money that’s going to be owed you have to account for fun
deficits if there are any deficits you’re penalized by DOR for those and
there’s about I’ve found about 22 different footnotes that can affect you
if you don’t take care of each and every one yeah it just caught my eye I just
noticed it to be complicated process but yeah a larger number than well I’m a
historical perspective yeah the number seems to be larger you know the other
observation is it looks like we’re actually looking to adhere to our
financial policies by taking chunks of that and putting it into essentially the
formal document that this body had adopted geez I don’t know two years ago
two and a half ago particularly oh right I began researching and writing that
looking at other cities around 2014 because that’s when we had first heard
we need to institute those and we had the winter of 2015 and and you know
great designs kind of get put to the wayside to deal with thirteen point
seven million dollars snow expense but I believe they were instituted in 16 of
the year after the storm and we were faithful putting the money away by the
formula as we were encouraged to do by the rating agencies we ran into a little
bit of a problem last year with the decision on the police patrolman’s
arbitration case we could have stuck to the letter of the law
put the money in free cast we would have had to have turn right around
withdraw the money from free cash which is which is ill-advised so we we put the
money direct to the back pay on the police patrolman so we didn’t in here to
the formula that year it’s a benchmark I’m saying now yeah and again I mean I
read these credit analyst reports and the consistent thing that I see over
time is you know the one area reddit for raising the reserves up to a very high
level total fund reserve after these financial statements come out will
probably be a little over twenty seven million which is a far cry from where
we’d been in recent years and begins to approach triple-a territory we’re not
going to be triple-a anytime soon but they wanted us to get about thirty
million in reserves we’re gonna be about twenty seven point four yeah but I mean
in terms of actually committing to you know that deposit if you will into you
the other post-employment benefits that seems to be a consistent thing that the
analysts go to as an area for improvement so I’m happy to see that and
you know my understanding of this evening is you know we talked about the
tax rate which we’ll get into with the individual agenda items but you know the
majority of the work at least in my mind is done when you talk about affecting a
tax rate it’s done at budget time it’s done you know what the ancillary
requests that come before the body so in my mind the works done in the middle
right I think a lot of time some of the discussion around tonight filters back
to spending decisions but really this is the night to pay the bills right and
that’s an individual choice that everybody around the wells faced with
once you present the spending decision right and we voted up we voted those
start in the spring hip questions from the council family I know you during the
public comment area did you still have anything are you
if you Joe no you don’t have to get up any to get
options that’s fine wait for me so I’m sorry so I just wanted to go
through you know what mark and Brad were just saying you know now’s the time to
pay the bills right it’s not about spending we’ve already spent the money
now it’s about paying for the bill it’s not even really about paying for the
bill because the bills gonna get paid what what portion of the tax levy the
residential is going to make up and the commercial is going to make up right so
it’s not even whether we pay the bill because the bills getting paid it’s who
is going to pay the bulk of the bill and I just wanted to lay it out pretty
clearly what the options are here this really there’s two ranges right and then
anything in the middle but I’ll take the two extremes so our two options are that
we charge a residential tax rate of fourteen dollars and 20 cents per 1,000
dollars of value right that’s one of the options and that would be the full tax
rate without any split between commercial and residential the single
tax rate alright and that – standing is that would be $1,100 tax increase on the
average tax bill right if if we’re looking at the average single-family
home if we were to have a single tax rate over a split tax rate the
difference would be eight hundred and seventy two dollars of an increase
rather than the two hundred and seventy dollars tonight if you had eight hundred
and seventy dollars to two hundred and seventy dollars you get roughly $1,100
well if we had a single tax rate right the difference between whether we had it
or not it’s eight hundred and seventy two dollars right so Plus what the – so
one it’s 270 versus 1100 yes yep okay okay so if we did not split the rate
today tonight then it would be an approximate $1100 average tax increase
correct if we split the rate or shift the rate to the residential from the
$14.20 per one value to 12 dollars and 43 cents per
1000 dollars in value that’s a two hundred and seventy dollar increase
correct okay is the twelve dollars and forty three cent tax rate is that shift
can we shift it anymore no that’s the maximum allowed and so
that’s the two maximums right the fourteen twenty right that’s a maximum
in the minimum Yeah right the fourteen twenty and the twelve forty three and
this party could do anything in between correct right so we could we could do
anything from an eleven hundred dollar increase which is the most we could do
the minimum which is a two hundred and seventy dollar increase that’s and
that’s effectively by changing the rate at which residential pays versus
commercial okay we’re doing nothing relative to the property tax exemptions
that currently exist right correct okay nothing we do with this rate would
eliminate the property tax exemptions that we have for residents over sixty
five no or widowers or disabled vets in their spouses right correct
okay and this is nice nice stuff right this is super informative
that was the goal in putting this together and I think just going back to
the purpose of tonight’s meeting and getting back to voting you know that
what we’re voting on there’s so much that you know happens to get to this
point so we wanted to put together like a booklet that yes we are distributing
at the tech classification hearing but I think it addresses you know all areas of
the of the puzzle that come you know to today so it’s like a I don’t want to be
insulted but it’s like a dummies guide to you know taxes right really is try
not right right everything especially on the you know how you get to what the
minimum residential factor is you know just in a manner that you could sit and
kind of go through it a couple of times because it’s not straightforward right
yeah that’s a difficult subject read through five six seven times before
you’re like okay you know it’s it’s not simple math by any means no this is very
helpful I think this is a first year you’ve done this yes okay we have a
booklet before but it was more just geared towards you know really just on
the math that you know gets to what we’re doing
tonight and we wanted to include basically all areas that factor and
determining what taxes are okay and this will be available online yeah we
actually going to have you know quite a few copies of the book printed we’re
gonna put it in the library in the Kennedy Center there’ll be some at both
the assessor’s windows the collectors window we can get some to the mayor’s
office will you email mean perhaps the other counselors too with the link to
this because I would like to put it on their shows so that people can see it so
those are all the questions I have thank you um really mister president comes
down to whether or not we want to increase taxes by eleven hundred dollars
or two hundred fifty dollars we already spent the money this is about who’s
gonna pay for it this is the lowest tax increase we can put forth to the
residential taxpayer based on the budget that we all that we this body voted for
and passed in the spring and just as as a just to speak to that budget too and I
I thought it was a pretty reasonable budget I didn’t see much fat in that
budget we didn’t add we didn’t add a lot there was some increases in school
spending new some you know we’ve consistently added police and fire I
don’t as I look here and stare down the bill I mean it’s easy to spend money
it’s hard to pay the bill after you spent the money I don’t see anything for
me personally that would change tonight that would change my decision in the
spring it’s not easy to raise taxes it’s not something that we enjoy it’s not
something that residents enjoy we pay the taxes too but for the services that
we get in the city of Quincy and one of those speakers there were three speakers
one of them referenced Hingham and well Hingham does this and they have an even
tax rate hang them all so it doesn’t you know you have to go to the town dump
they don’t take anything right we don’t we don’t charge a trash fee right other
municipalities are sized in smaller charge a transfer fee we don’t do that
so that’s absorbed in your in your tax rate so some of the stuff that folks get
some of these incredible services like you know the library the council and
Ageing are schools our schools are top-notch we are
one of the safest cities thanks to our fire and police personnel so this is
paying for the for the quality of life that we have in Quincy which there’s
always more we can do to make it better that cost money and we as a council me
personally as a councillor I try and balance that and I appreciate I goes
Peter from Stedman Street and if he’s still here but you who spoke early and I
appreciate you that he didn’t say you know don’t raise the taxes you should
just keep us in mind when you when you’re making these decisions and I and
I think that’s probably the most powerful thing that someone could say
hey remember this has real-life consequences that folks are out there
and they could be struggling whether they’re seniors trying to you know stay
in their home on a fixed income and here they are they get a tax increase that’s
we hear those calls we get those calls we talked to those people those people
are our friends those people our neighbors and it’s not that we’re up
here spending money willy-nilly it’s not it’s certainly not how I approach it I
don’t think my colleagues do as well we may differ from time to time what’s a
priority to spend money on and what isn’t
but our levy increases 5% that’s a that’s a relatively modest increase when
considering that we had contracts that came up I mean when when we’re talking
about increase in these base costs it’s the cost to pay the firefighters and the
police and the teachers that cost money unfortunately fortunately for them and
we give them a living wage because they’re members of our community and
they play an important role in our community we want them to be compensated
at a morally justifiable rate so all that being said we already spent the
money I support shifting the tax burden or
minimizing the tax burden on the residential rate payer as much as
possible this shift at twelve point twelve dollars and forty three cents
does that that’s the most we can possibly shift the tax burden to benefit
the residential taxpayer and I’ll certainly support that
so thank you mr. president Vicki Casa counselor I’m Mahoney I’m not sure where
to start so calling it might be with you but I I actually understand you don’t
create the assessment of value of our homes it’s it’s it’s based on the sales
from prior year and I know a lot of people like to think that the assessor’s
office actually is about punishing people because their houses are worth
more but that’s not the case at all and you’re not actually responsible for
setting the tax rate either is that correct correct the board of Assessors
determines we meet the requirements set by the Department of Revenue in order to
get the value certified and I understand what we’re talking about tonight which
is a single rate versus the residential in the commercial rate and the split
rate gives the residents a lower rate but part of the reason why even though
it’s a lower rate the assessed values are going up but we’re spending and this
has nothing to do with you I think this has to do with if I couldn’t find that
might be my cabin otherwise I want to talk to you I guess that one of the
questions that I have and this is from Mark it’s not from you so I might come
back to you though so mark um one of the things that we’re
doing to lower the tax rate is free cash but you did explain eight million
dollars is what we got in for free cash I think we were estimating back when
they were doing the budget somewhere around four maybe yeah what would come
in yeah there was a that’s a few years okay so four was the normal weeds out
for the past four years but we got eight this year and you said it was a multiple
different facets as to how come we got eight could you expand upon maybe I know
we have the information but could you expand upon this may be the largest
reasons why we got eight million dollars of precast there are literally dozens of
reasons why that go into why did the top three top three largest largest top
three we had higher revenues that were expected we had a number of our
department heads were I don’t want to use the you think
my revenue what do you mean by hi Reverend just out of curiosity some of
our revenue accounts came in higher than we had budgeted for more revenue than
expected so one of them one of the ones I guess snippy just look at the there
was a break out and I’ll probably not be able to write here lots of paper to me
um there was a breakout provided and when I’m looking at some of the revenue
sources like your department or your department revenue for schools it’s not
really that much higher but you but you have maybe 10 that maybe ten thousand
won’t work but out of curiosity what’s what is the the revenue for libraries to
start of curiosity what what what creates that revenue I’m sorry that I
bore him so for libraries that’s primarily fees late fees for books or
books so when I’m going through this though and I’m looking at the estimated
receipts so in your saying it’s it’s the revenues that we were anticipated to
take epic and from the excess levies I mean commit free cash what do you think
that the top revenue sources were four four eight nine dollars he’s a permanent
we’re likely increased that’s building he’s in permitting for built the new
buildings filled me buildings one of the largest increases was when we build
myself as the Southwest middle school when that fund
ended up dating in the last fiscal year there was an outstanding payment from
SBA that we were still dude mm-hmm so that actually significantly bumped up
our free cash how much by how much because I saw this go to million dollars
I’ve checked the exact number it is ironic the state doesn’t let you hold
this your books open waiting for the state reimbursement so the break out of
that is that and and it was done in your presentation that of the eight million
dollars two point nine is gonna be used for reducing the tax levy of lowering
our taxes and the rest is going to go into the stabilization
snow and ice and a retirement fund correct yes I know
it’s differently I couldn’t remember it would still be two points they’ll still
be they’ll still be 2.5 million remaining in free cash and what will the
2.5 million dollars in free cash what is was what’s the use for that extra 2.5
million dollars so historical who used it on a myriad of issues it doesn’t have
to be use if it’s not used that she goes into next year’s free cash calculation
okay so what did we carry over last year and what did we spend it on I know I
remember some of the things but primarily on the police contracts what
ever anticipated what are do we have anticipated use for that 2.85 because
one of the questions that I think counselor how much she was asking was is
that as low as we can go as the 12 point $12 43 cents but if we actually use the
2.5 million dollars we could actually go lower if we had other uses to lower that
the way we’re artificially lowering the tax is by using free cash and if we had
two point five million dollars it would bring that tax lower so it change it
from two hundred and eighty dollars per average family home owner to potentially
a little bit less is that correct it could use that purpose and so so but we
have to have an understanding as to what we’re gonna be using is it couldn’t be
something we’re gonna carry over is it something that we as a council
potentially want to drop that because really what’s happening here is and this
is this is where the issues that I have with free cash and one of the issues
when I’m looking at this there’s another piece what I’m looking at in here which
is the 1.8 million dollars that we’re doing where for 2020 budget that’s been
previous encumbrances previous from 2020 so this I talked to pastor Walker today
and I was asking him if this is if this was from he said it’s the PIO closures
for fiscal year 2020 tax rate so these are old old encumbrances that we and how
far back do they go from fiscal 2016 fiscal 2016 and what’s the most recent
what you closed there’s always a series of Pio
the peels are done like around June 30th the last day of the fiscal year this
year was we had 1.8 million dollars 2016 to 2019 yes so next year and how much
did we have last year when we close things out last year
it was like a turn 96,000 somewhere in the neighborhood so we had a million
dollars more this year that we closed out and what was it two years ago –
sorry curiosity I don’t believe we did this two years okay so this is something
we’ve only done in last two years so I guess one of the one of the issues that
I have is that this money so when we do our budgets and the number that we’re
using when we’re creating our our tax levy includes other things from the
tarry sheets of different areas but we create a budget and we do spend money in
the city of Quincy and and when we did create the budget this last time I did I
voted no and I voted no because we were creating additional departments
additional expenditures additional jobs additional a lot of different additional
things that we were having so I I do think that you know now now the bill is
coming – I understand that as well however we have free cash it comes back
some of the things that we have is we don’t make an audit of what we’re doing
what we’re spending and we can’t really see you can see it because you work in
it every day he’s gone no no no no interesting I’m saying Wheat City
Councilor as we said up here we can’t see where the money’s being spent we can
ask you and you can come up into a presentation for us but it’s very
difficult to derive to really look down and to see what’s being expended or
who’s being hired and and who works for the city of Quincy
what new bodies are coming into the city of Quincy if they were accounted for I I
don’t know I just know new people get hired a night and people will say it was
that job part of the budget couldn’t tell you because we can’t tell because
you know we just get a bottom-line number for that but the bigger problem
is is the free cash eight million dollars coming back that’s a lot you
explained it with sterling sterling middle school and MSBA
that we have to find upfront and they give us the money and that sometimes
where that comes from but sometimes it’s because we didn’t expend the money such
as the going back to 29th 2016 23 percent of all approved spending during
that period so we’ve got 99.7% funds respect
again free cash it gets certified every year and we create a budget every year
and we try to go through the budget to make sure that we’re not fat in the
budget but we created multiple department new departments and in
different things it goes to the taxpayers and that is our job and that
was one of the things one of the people came up and spoke to us and said you
know you know it’s our job to say yes and it’s our job to say no and we seem
to have no problem spending money in the city Quincy which then offsets to the to
the home owners having to pay for it they do think we have a fiscal
responsibility to the home owners as well but when I’m looking at this I just
I just know that this was going to come due and to what was the increase last
year for the taxes last average family homeowner last year 120 dollars last
year it’s funny 120 dollars last year in a election year and 284 dollars this
year post-election at 71 turn it 70 seventy two hundred seventy one dollars
everyone does sorry I don’t know what the – I know two hundred and seventy one
dollars post-election okay question no there’s a statement thank you for now
thank you that I’m just I’m just a little frustrated because I I think we I
think we I just have a large issue with the way things are presented sometimes
an eight million dollars for excess taxes certified xyx cash that’s coming
in and having 2.5 million dollars we’re gonna hold onto free cash and not giving
it back to the taxpayers after we expended the issues that we
that we the city of Quincy I think that’s that’s due back to the taxpayers
that’s just my personal opinion I think we should be budgeting in our budget the
things that we want to spend but not just have free rein to spend money
anyplace we want with a 2.5 million dollars in free cash it will remain
after all these votes are done so I can’t support unless we’re gonna use the
2.5 million dollars to actually lower the tax here a little bit lower because
12.4 3 is lower than last year for the average homeowner but the assessed
values are going up and the expenditures of what we spend in the city of Quincy
are going up as well thank you Thank You counselor de Bona Thank You
mr. president’s just real quick to elaborate on the
eight million dollars of free cash then maybe this is from mr. Kavanagh
you said 2.9 of it is going to be used to reduce the tax levy and lower the
taxes so 2.9 million of that free cash is going towards paying down the tax
rate that’s correct it’s 2.9 is will be coming directly off the levy with that
appropriation and that’s actually very fitting with what we’ve used in free
cash over the past five years we look back in over the past five years we’ve
taken fifteen point seven million dollars in total over the past five
years from free cash and put it towards the levy to reduce the tax rate and that
works out to an average of two point six million dollars a year so 2.9 million
this year from free cash to reduce the to reduce the levy in addition to as as
Eric and the councilor were speaking about the 1.8 million in unused money
from previous years unused purchase orders that we can cancel and take into
pre cash to put it towards the tax levy I remember in previous years especially
it’s it’s snowing right now and who knows how many inches we’re gonna get
six to eight or whatever it is in this area but the hundred and eleven inches
of 2015 where we every year we had to break up I think 3.3 million dollars
every year to pay it down and then we finally got about this we put in a three
year amortization program which we actually ended off an in two years in
two years yes yeah but I remember one year where we had to say it was gonna be
456 dollar increase and we said let’s go a hundred less dollars to get to 356 and
let’s not include let’s let’s let’s pay let’s not include the the snow money
that we were gonna paint on that and i and i can remember year this is my
fourth tax rate in my fourth budget cycle and I could remember the president
crawl standing at standing down and saying well why don’t
we pay down the rate with free cash no so we we’ve been talking about this
paying down the rate for a while now and now we’re coming into fruition can you
talk about what it would be for a mount you said two hundred and seventy one
dollar increase on the average assessed value of four set for ninety two is the
amount what would be the amount if we didn’t pay it down if we hadn’t taken
the 2.9 million dollar appropriation from free cash and put it towards the
tax levy I have the tax rate would have been in
the 307 three ten range for the average single family taxpayer without that 2.9
million and what would be the average increase in in in in an a yearly like
what would be the amount would it be four hundred dollars what would it well
yeah the average bill would have been up 307 so that the increase would have been
up over three hundred the bill would have gone to sixty four sixty five
hundred dollars for the every single I see so sixty five hundred dollars
instead of sixty one I see what you mean okay so in a sense because we have free
cash in Europe eyes I mean you’re the financial guy to play with right
I wouldn’t say play with it but yeah because we have the luxury of not only
the free cash but a two and a half million dollar surplus for the year the
surplus as well as the research and going after the unused purchase orders
over the course of the year in the previous year that’s an additional one
point eight million dollars that in effect had already been appropriated for
previous years not spent so we take that and put it towards a tax levy and reduce
it as well my distinguished colleague that’s no longer here Joe Finn would
always talk about the stabilization and the Oh pep and I can remember I don’t
see him here tonight would come in every year and say you’re not putting any
funding towards or money towards this trust or Stabilization Fund or are we
going with a little over a million dollars for each one this year yeah well
we go million dollars for stabilization a
million dollars for a peb which didn’t exist when I first got here
stabilization two years previous to me getting here was $900,000 and the rating
agencies and dor was were all over us we’re coming out of a recession but they
were all over us to really enforce that fiscal policy and put put aside the 50%
a year free cash we’ve largely adhered to that we have more flexibility now
they’re giving us credit for having so much in reserves our total fund balance
reserves this year as I said will be over 27 million that’s a far cry from
only having 900,000 and the rainy day fund you talked a little bit about
revenues does the excise tax is that part of the revenues it absolutely helps
okay because I remember we’ve talked about getting more excise tax for people
moving in here the general economy those local fees those local receipts meals
taxes they all help they’re all part of it I mean like we’re talking about
around the weld here tonight what the City Council is um we’ve kind of already
if you had your chance what appropriations of funding whether
it’s through the budget or its bonding your time to say yes and no is at that
time and I know that I’m part of some of the cutting processes throughout this
throughout the year that’s your time to speak up when the appropriations of
funding are coming down the pike in a budget cycle or there’s bonding that’s
going to be asked whether you is that correct
that’s absolutely correct but I mean to your credit counselor to the entire
councils credit a lot of those expenditures that you’re voting on at
those times was a union contracts for teachers police fire a lot of our fixed
costs usually go in the 90 to 95 percent range there’s very little discretionary
or new spending involved in those budgets I mean this last year was tight
I’m gonna be honest with a budget cycle I looked at that it was pretty tight now
we got lucky with the snow the snow and ice we were we were at a half a million
dollar surplus which you just never know one storm could wipe that right out
install one good storm six to eight inches
tonight that could be five 600,000 absolutely absolutely I know that I know
the business I know and um I know a constituent asked Bob rhyming and
whether you whether you want to take a chance with not having that out there
well let me tell you something it buys you some time to get some of the roads
done especially when the morning comes over you don’t have it out there you
can’t buy the time to get to that level and you know Public Safety is far more
important so I these are really all my questions that I really had for you mark
I think coming forward I mean this is a lot of free cash left over here eight
million I know you said there’s there’s a lot of different factors here but for
the City Council their time is to take a look at the budgetary items during the
budget cycle and the bonding that comes across from us so and we will see okay
thank you thank a few times thank you Thank You counsel counsel McCarthy think
council can thank you mr. Chia good evening mr. Cavanaugh just such a great
job on the on the whole presentation I mean both groups yourself in in
Colleen’s Colleen’s um team there were a couple of quick questions it looks like
which I’m always amazed you know because what Quincy has and we mentioned it a
little bit about services and everything that we have here and a lot of people
take it for granted if it disappeared the chamber would probably be packed
with people complaining about whatever we whatever disappeared but it seems
like Quincy you know always the city with the town kind of atmosphere has fit
right in them in the middle of of all of your comparisons and a little bit on the
low side on one of the comparisons here about the family home tax bill had
average Quincy home value but the values I mean everybody’s value has gone up
homes that at least down in Ward one in house neck and and I think across the
city come up for sale they’re gone within days
which is I remember times where years ago if I were you were selling a house
you’d be out there for six months you’d have to wait a while for the that you
know not the winter to sell it try to sell them the some of the holes now it
looks like you put it up at any time and it’s gone
and in one of the things that you know jumped out at me I know that I see that
that decrease in the rate every year but what the value is going up and and in
the the comment that council Carlucci made of talking about a two hundred and
seventy dollar tax increase for the median household compared to eleven
hundred at the 14 dollar rate compared to the twelve forty three you know it’s
it’s not bad I mean there know a lot of people are probably gonna say my tax
bill went up and you know it all depends on on where you’re at I guess in regards
to the value of your home and we live in etc and some will go up some will
probably be awash and some might get out but your presentation market just gets
better every year it’s clearer I know you have your right-hand man Derek Mason
there to straighten anything out but I’m just pleased to see the city in good
fiscal condition and moving forward with with the downtown and the growth which
which comes back and helps us immensely so thank you very much
Colin can I give you at the podium just for a second thanks Mike hi Colleen hi
good I’m right into that presentation I was just talking about your presentation
about the median single-family sale price and I know I want to thank you I
got the pleasure of being tooted today a little bit by Colleen and Chris Rooney
for about an hour as we
over a lot of things and a lot of the questions I had I wanted to try to base
them on you know residential folks that sometimes get caught up in watching the
council meetings or reading about it and you know when you do it day in and day
out with acronyms and in comments and and and different things like that
you can lose the regular Joe Q public out there yeah III get lost at times but
today when we sat down I just want to commend you on the clarity here in the
presentation that I think we’re going to be able to put up on the website it
really shows how the values have gone up in all of the neighborhoods I’m
particular month at from house Nick Daman slea slide and you know what in at
the same time the administration the council yourself everybody that’s
involved is he’s fighting to keep that rate down and we can’t control the
market but and we’ve talked a little bit about that today but you can see the
decrease in the tax rate another little decrease in the commercial tax rate and
we have so much so much going on here in Quincy that that’s positive in regards
to growth and and and more growth that’s going to come so I just wanted to thank
you guys for the work you did and thanks for the time today it’s just it’s a
solid story here you know everybody wants to say we’re gonna we’re not going
up at all you know we’re gonna come down everybody wants last but services we get
in the in and what comes out of the city of Quincy is positive all the way around
and this was a great presentation and you reminded me today too without that
18 million dollars in growth to help us you know keep it keep the engine a
moving it all affects the tax rate but thank you very much thank you yeah and we also chairman crow we talked
a little bit today too I know that I’m gonna set up some community meetings
with the seniors to try to and get colleen and Chris John down there a
little bit on talking with them a little bit more on the exemptions on what they
can get so they understand how to tackle it the tax deferral definitely yeah you
know with increasing the income limit to 58,000 that might open the doors for
more people that could meet the requirements and I do think that is a
you know it’s a good option for somebody you know if they don’t have a mortgage
on the property and they want to remain in their home that they can defer their
taxes and their water and sewer bill until the time they were to sell their
home it’s you know when for the city the city does get paid and it’s also a win
for the taxpayer that you know they’re able to stay in the home that they wish
to stay in the interest rate is fixed at 4% which is very competitive with any
bank around so you know I do think it’s definitely an option that if a senior is
finding it difficult to pay their bills that they should look that’s all it’s
all good stuff and just to make sure that they that they do understand that
they can do that good thank you King Thank You mr. president
yeah this is always seem it’s the first time I’ve sat for this classification
hearing and discussion and it it never well it’s never the same
there’s never continuity people never seem to really understand it which is
disappointing and disheartening sometimes but it’s also a difficult
discussion when people perceive things in certain ways and I think everyone’s
alluded to the gentleman that came up and spoke tonight was I think he was the
only one that really spoke to tax classification but the most difficult
part about this reality that we’re currently facing is the increasing
valuations and that is not driven by us that’s not written by us that’s not
written by the city that’s driven by the amount of money that people are paying
and their willingness to pay for the values of of homes in Quincy
um just a couple weeks ago I’m so grateful for the entire board of
Assessors Christian and Colleen for taking part in Ward threes townhall
series and we had a small group at Wollaston school it was the least
attended of all of them which I was very surprised because this is such a
complicated subject I was hoping that people wanted to learn more
councillor Mahoney was there and you know I’m assuming she’s still learning
about the process but you know even then it was very important and integral for
people to to understand what really goes into this calculation and so the vote
tonight on the tax classification if you’re not voting to shift it for a
split between commercial and residential owners you’re really supporting a higher
tax rate at the end of the day for for residents of the city which on the other
side and I can’t believe I’m gonna say this but if you look at this free cash
amount that’s still left what that actually indicates is that there isn’t
there’s a surplus in cash that means that the budgetary amounts that we’ve
allocated that we’ve approved as a council there is a surplus of cash left
over so what are we going to do with that we’re gonna do the best with the
votes that we can we can’t make decisions on where to spend that cash
but we can make a decision to support the spending of the cash which will
reduce the tax rate so I’m happy to support the classification I understand
that people go through difficult times it is a terrible thing that wages are
not keeping up with the with the costs of and Rises inflation and in home
values I suffer through that personally as I’m sure my colleagues do here and
you know we’re with you as as residents of this city and that’s a whole other
discussion that is largely unfortunately out of our control but tonight we’re
going to do the best that we can to support the minimal amount of increase
in the tax rate by the adjustment of this tax classification so thank you
everyone tonight thank you I just want to point out a few
things I had noticed when I was going through the presentations that were
presented us in front of us tonight the first was you know most friend of mine I
think is the the excess and I think it’s because we always approach the work we
do between both of your offices really conservative
we don’t ever want to over project what we’re going to get in revenues and I
think that is the best way to approach these things is you know underestimate
and then when we have an increase of everybody that come in that are
unexpected it’s a wonderful thing but we certainly don’t want to over project and
find ourselves in a place where we’re not making up the money that we’re
anticipating so I appreciate that we are able to have the you know the 2.85 here
in additions but it’s because we always approach things in a really conservative
way and that’s something that I personally will always advocate for and
I think it’s a good practice to continue the second thing I noticed in the
presentation which I think is something that you know we should point out is
that when you look at the share percentages between residential and
commercial and other you know the residential share of this has slowly
decreased over time which is a great thing to see that on the commercial side
it’s starting to pick up right and that’s something that we’ve seen in the
last you know year or two but if you look here over time the residential that
I sort of aspect of this has really decreased because we’re picking up more
commercial right and and that is something that we’re seeing come online
I’m the more we have commercial development come but that’s not
immediate either and that is something that you know your office works really
hard to show us is that there is a formula behind all this like things
coming online today isn’t going to come online with the tax rate until the
following year there is a rhyme and reason behind all of this and we are
seeing the changes slowly take effect now coming into this tax year and so I’m
excited to see that this is something that we had projected and is actually
coming to fruition you know to that I know council probably had asked about
some of the exemptions that are in here and I certainly not been shy for
advocating for additional exemptions but I want to take a moment to also stress
some points ever brought up here this evening which is you know there is a
math behind this there isn’t you know just some practice of throwing out
arbitrary numbers to try to provide more assumptions or to try to tax class I
mean there is there’s extensive formulas in math and work that goes behind this
and I just want to thank you guys for for bringing this in front of us this
evening for doing the work that takes to get to get this to match you know the
needs of the city and the budget that we present to you guys in the spring and I
also want to thank you guys for taking the opportunity to walk through this not
only with me but with my colleagues and then to work through scenarios on how we
can continue to you know better support our residents with finding alternative
way to provide assumptions right this is
something that can’t just be done because we want it and can’t just will
it to happen there is work in formulas in state law around how we can dictate
this and I just want to say thank you because you guys have really educated me
on this in the last couple years and you’ve always kept an open door policy
on how we can get creative to continue to create and build on the exemptions
that we have so I just want to thank you guys for that and I want to point out
that you know this again the rhyme and reason behind the work that comes to
this as I’m starting to come to fruition now as we can see what the residential
share going down so I’m looking forward to that continuing to go down and have a
commercial pick up a little bit more and yeah I appreciate that you guys always
have the open door to continue to work to find other ways to move forward on
this so thank you guys for your time and I’m excited too as always vote to highs
that high a commercial and the lower residential rate so thank you again
thank you mr. chairman or mr. president what’s that council yep thank you any
other comments questions thoughts from the council all right with that madam
clerk first item on the agenda please 2019 185 in appropriation for 2 million
240 ocean area the reading on the motion Council motion approve motion made by
counsel Kane to approve second and by council McCarthy any discussion on the
motion seeing none madam Clark concert Kane yes
counselor de Bono’s councillor Hughes counseling council
Mahoney council McCarthy Nia’s counsel pal Moochie president cruel yes eight
members femoris he item passes next item on the agenda please next item
is number to 2019 186 in appropriation for four million one hundred fifty two
thousand five hundred twenty one dollars and 86 cents full shirt
motion away at the rear on the motion Council motion approved motion made by
counsel Kane second by Council McCarthy any discussion seeing none madam clerk
please call the roll concert Kane yes council de Bono’s counsel Hughes
counseling counsel Mahoney council McCarthy
council pallucci president cruel yes eight members members the item passes
next item on the agenda police number three two thousand ninety seven on the
motion yes my to approve motion made by counsel Kane second by Collin McCarthy
on the motion Oh point nine million dollars that from general from free cash
that we’re using to buy down the tax bill for the average residential or for
everyone for the residential property taxpayer I just point of clarification
we we cannot increase this number the City Council cannot increase this number
correct that’s correct okay yeah that’s because we want to do we can’t increase
that number okay just clarifying mm thank you
motion made by Constantine and second by council McCarthy any discussion I see
none counts of Kane yes DiBona complic use counseling
council mahoney council McCarthy council pallucci yeah president crow
yes members members next item on the agenda please next is number for 2019
188 million each one of the motion kind of the closer to proof
motion made by counsel okay and second Michael McCarthy any discussion seeing
none fire councillor King yes council hughes council liang alta mahoney council McCarthy yes council pallucci
yes president cruel yes eight members eight members next is number five 2019
118 Recreation on the motion motion approved well she made by counsel Kane
second by council McCarthy any discussion seeing none madam Clark
counter Kane helter de Bono’s cops a huge
council Liang called so Mahoney council McCarthy yes
council film oaktree no president cross yes six members six members yet in
passes next item on the agenda please madam Clarke number six 2019 one nine
zero an appropriation of minion council order 2019 122 upon the request of the
director of municipal finance went the recommendation of his honor the mayor
the some of the council order 2019 122 is hereby amended to 1 million six
hundred and sixty thousand reduced section b to nine hundred and eighty
thousand for quincy access television motion made by councillor kane second I didn’t know four point clarification
this what we’re amending this it’s it’s good we just have a little explanation
as to what’s going on here so involving this councillor we there was a law
passed I believe lose in 2016 and this is the first year has to be done
regarding the user fees generated through cable service at this case which
is Comcast and they have to pay percent to one to the school system that allows
for technology for education and but the majority the percentage goes to funds
for qat so we’re amending this to better reflect
the predicted revenues for this year so how do we come up with a number in the
spring for us those base in the spring upon because we only we used to only
receive the city’s portion there are the new laws we have to we’re now receiving
what used to go directly QA TV so now we’ve seen them together there was an
estimate made I spoke with our independent auditor to try calculate the
number with semester are you saying it was over it was
overestimated but her that counselor there was a limit set on it and this is
just better reflecting no so now he has we overestimated what we were it’s what
we because of the new law we overestimated not knowing what the what
the amount is going to be we’re adjusting it at this point to what we
think the budget what the correct number is it will get your 40 and the money
will come in to the city and then be sent out we used to go directly to QA TV
and to the Quincy Public Schools go directly to QE TV that our portion of
our city so now we’ll come into the city and the appropriation before covering
the cost of QA TV will go directly over to them and they’ll have an operational
cost okay exactly okay so that’s the new law thank you very much thank you for
thank you look she made by councillor Hughes
second it tell us is bond any discussion seeing none ma’am Clarke
please calm down sir Kane yes counselor Bona
counsel Hughes counsel Liang counsel Mahoney counsel McCarthy counsel pillo
muchi president crow yes eight members the members here in passes next item on
the agenda please and I’m car number seven 2019 one nine one adopting
percentages of local tax by each class of real improper T property for 19 on
the motion motion to approve motion made by counsel Kane’s second by councillor
McCarthy any discussion seeing a man clock counts are king yes counselor de
Bono’s councillor Hughes counseling counsel
Mahoney counsel McCarthy counsel Phil Moochie president crow yes eight members
remembers the item passes next item on the agenda please number
eight 2019 192 dr. Miranda Kerr on the motion moisture-proof
pushing made by councillor Kane second by council McCarthy
need discussion seeing none madam clerk please call
counts are king yes pelted warning us councillor Hughes council Liang Council
Mahoney council McCarthy yes alt appeal Moochie president cruel yes
seven members seven members voting in the affirmative
all right next item on the agenda number nine 2019 one nine three order of
revocation for Quincy College Enterprise fine yeah upon the request of the
director of municipal finance with the approval of its honor the mayor the city
will revoke the provisions of chapter 44 section 53 F and a half the
Massachusetts General Aziz in Quincy College as an enterprise fund effective
fiscal year 2020 apparently this is a further do are this is a housekeeping
item the city does not manage finances on behalf of the college anymore so this
is to eliminate that enterprise account so motion to approve motion made by
counsel Akane’s second by council McCarthy point of clarification from the
author Suzanne O’Connor as to when was the last time that this account was used
and so basically I believe it was about two years ago the college over took all
their payables and their payroll so we no longer have any of their funds open
on our books when the free cash was being certified I had a conversation
with that the city’s representative at the DOR and he was aware that the called
the college is no longer on the city of Quincy books so her Mass General law he
has requested that we do a housekeeping matter and close out that particular
fund currently there’s there’s nothing open unto that account and there hasn’t
been for two years we don’t know we do not know everything has been transferred
everything’s no health care we do but what this this enterprise fund this is
basic that this was basically their operating fund so with the healthcare
the city pays the healthcare and the college reimburses the city but with the
operating fund their payables their payroll was all paid out of that okay
thank you you’re welcome what spell Moochie yes thank you through
you to the mayor’s representative why are we paying anything for the college
at this point if if the certification from the the Community College
certification authority was that they needed to be more removed from us I
remember that when we discussed they wanted to go to a four-year degree
program and they were trying to you know thread that needle with still being
attached to the city but being independent so I get why we’re removing
the enterprise account that makes sense but why are we still paying healthcare
costs for college employees and are we the city reimbursed for that through you
mr. president I believe that if you don’t have any answer that’s something
that you can get back to my soulja’s yeah or if the deferred of the auditor
if she does have a clarification on that I believe the college is still a member
of the city of Quincy’s Retirement System so therefore that’s I’m assuming
that’s why the health insurance is still covered through the city so the health
insurance is just for the retirees not it’s not just for the retirees no it’s
for the retirees and the active employees okay and then in Quincy
College then reimburses the city of Quincy okay all right and it’s food for
thought for a later discussion I think but all right Thank You mr. Breslin come
Thank You counsel motion made by councillor Kane to
approve second my council McCarthy any further discussion seeing none madam
Clark yes council Huell Meucci yes yes member zia impasses next item on the
agenda please Mountain motional waive the reading on the motion motion accept
the gift and send it thank you no motion made second by council McCarthy any
discussion seeing none madam Colucci just a quick question who actually sends
a thank-you notes and do they actually get sent I’ve never seen one
okay all right good I don’t know ten years we always say it I’ve never seen
when you’re popping up there to drop off a gift basket over the hall and I see
you can take a look at a sample just making sure hey further discussion on
the motion please motion to accept the gift and
send a note of thanks to this group and copy of council emoji yep make sure he’s
copy second by council McCarthy discussion
come on sir King yes come to the Barna helpful Harris County Hughes council
eing Council Mahoney council McCarthy Council pill move chief president crow
just eight members members approval of previous meeting minutes from November
18 2009 all those in favor all right post ice habits Communications and
reports from the mayor other city officers in city boards any Communications yes I do have some
communications this evening I have a utility request to refer to public works
committee for advertising for a grant of location for Mass electric Verizon for
178 Robertson Street I also have some traffic requests to refer to ordinance
committee for advertising in Ward one no pocket on the east side of Edison Park
from Washington Street to north of Washington Street ad loading zone on the
south side of Washington Street East to Temple Street from 6:00 a.m. to 4:00
p.m. excluding Sunday and holidays would
three ad four-way stop sign at the intersection of Belmont Street and
Holbrooke Road at a four-way stop at the intersection of Belmont Street in
Hamilton Ave at a handicap Hawk in 257 Hilda Street Ward six ad handicap
parking to a hundred Faxon Road at a full way stop at the intersection of
East wonnum Street and Sonoma Road thank you good it does thank you very much any
unfinished business from preceding meeting seen on reports of committees
Council yeah so early this meeting we had a positive positive recommendation
for three items that I’d like to bring out the first its 2018 – zero to seven
ordinance amending city of Quincy zoning ordinance adding Section six points and
marijuana establishments and the positive recommendation moves me by
constantly any second by council McCarthy in discussion see none madam
clerk please call the roll counter Kane counter DiBona councillor
Hughes council leaning yes council Mahoney yeah council McCarthy council
pillo muchi yes president cruel yes the Nexus 2018 – zero to eight order
accepting the sales tax provision of Master Allah chapter 64 and marijuana
tax as amended by chapter 55 of the acts of 2017 I move positive recommendation
which means I can’t say a second I can’t spell Moochie in discussion
none Clark please call roll concert Kane countered Aparna councillor Hughes
council Liang yes counsel Mahoney council McCarthy council he’ll move
Jesus president Crowe yes 8 members members thank you in the last one is
2019 – 1 to 5 ordinance amending Title 18 environmental protection adding
chapter 18 point 3 0 disposable plastic retail shopping bags
I just really quickly before I moved from the positive recommendation on this
I just want to UM it starts to my colleagues that you know because we have
this window now moving up to you the March first effective date so as it
passes from here I’ll go to the mayor’s office once it’s signed we do have time
between now and March 1st to really work to make sure that we’re implementing
this with our residents and small businesses and retailers so as you guys
go out and chat with folks about this if they have questions please make sure to
refer them to the mayor’s office and we can make sure that everyone’s on the
same page when we ban plastic bags on March 1st so with that I’m a positive
recommendation watch me if I constantly am I talking really fast counsel Kane
come to the bonus councillor Hughes yes McCarthy council pill Meucci president
pearl yes eight members members voting in the affirmative no traffic’s no traffic’s today
traffic’s any other any other reports of committees good yes presentations of petitions memorials and
remonstrance council Moche two things actually first I couldn’t I haven’t done
wanted a remonstrance like get up on your soapbox in a while um I couldn’t
help but notice that the entire value of all of the property both commercial or
commercial industrial and residential in the city of Quincy is 17 billion
and Jeff Bezos is worth a hundred and thirty four point five billion dollars
he could buy every piece of property in Quincy twice and still be the richest
person in the world I think it just it just occurred to me that that and
something that councilor Kane it said about income inequality that the top
earners all right earning a median income level that is
thirty times greater than the middle class and the middle income earners I
don’t know something I thought it was interesting a second thing I would like
to congratulate our colleague from Ward five as she continues her career of
public service and a new and exciting position over in the Stoughton district
court we hopefully we never run into you in a professional capacity and just take
the opportunity to note that chuck Phelan the incoming Ward five city
councilors been with us all night and what a night to be here welcome Chuck
back to the gang look forward to seeing you in January that’s it Thank You mr.
president Moochie and I just want to take a moment
from Memorial perspective and recognize the life of Vinnie Delvecchio I’m sure
many folks around the well familiar with Delvecchio really big Quincy family
lived in Ward 2 predominantly his whole life he passed and you know leaves
behind quite a legacy those that know Vinnie was would know that he’s a guy
that always had a smile on his face and a kind word to say about people I had
the opportunity to attend the services and you know it was a good tribute to
life so I would just ask that we all the Delvecchio family and our thoughts and
prayers as we you know the adjourn the meeting here this evening any other
petitions memorials and remonstrance okay sorry it’s where they it’s with a
heavy heart that I announce the passing of kieran Hannon who was a a
great young man from Ward 3 and not only from Ward 3 but from South Central Ave
where I grew up he was a few years younger than I am closer to age and my
brother but I had the great opportunity to get to know him
most recently but his unfortunate and untimely passing is one that has
certainly been felt across the city and in the region yesterday had the
fortunate what an unfortunate opportunity to
attend his wake and you know you could just see how much love and friendship
Karen had in his young life to spread around and you know my heart goes out to
his family to Jeff and Deirdre Hannon who were still in South Central Ave and
his sister Kennedy his brother Keegan not to mention his partner Lily and
their young son Patrick who he loved and adored on behalf of the City Council and
the city of Quincy while we’re here to support you and share our love with you
and we’re very sorry for this unfortunate loss Thank You counsel
any other petitions memorials or remonstrance
motions orders and resolutions see none scheduling of committee meetings and
public hearings our next scheduled City Council meeting is December 16th that’s
actually my last meeting up here at the and the seat so I’m sure you’ll show you
I know finally right it’s obvious that there’s
always one anybody else needs a schedule stuff with that I’ll entertain a motion
to adjourn so move that xx

Maurice Vega

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