Maclean’s and Citytv National Leaders Debate


. . SON TEST. .>>THE 2019 ELECTION CAMPAIGN IS UNDER WAY. IN WORLD OF CONSTANT SURPRISE AND DEEPENING UNCERTAINTY, CANADIANS WILL ELECT A NEW PARLIAMENT ON OCTOBER 21st, AND TONIGHT, MACLEAN’S AND Citytv ARE BRINGING YOU THE FIRST NATIONAL LEADERS’ DEBATE OF THE 2019 CAMPAIGN. NOW WITH 25% FEWER LEADERS. WE’VE INVITED THE LEADERS OF THE SAME FOUR PARTIES WE INVITED THE LAST TIME YOU SAW ME HERE IN 2015. THREE OF THEM ACCEPTED. ELIZABETH MAY, THE LEADER OF THE GREEN PARTY. ANDREW SCHEER, LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY, AND JAGMEET SINGH, LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY. WE ALSO INVITED JUSTIN TRUDEAU, THE LEADER OF THE IBERAL PARTY. HE DECLINED, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY HIS RIGHT. WE LEFT THE INVITATION AND HIS PODIUM OPEN RIGHT UP TO AIR TIME. WHY HAVE A DEBATE WITHOUT HIM? BECAUSE IN CANADA, WE ELECT PARLIAMENTS, NOT PRESIDENTS. EVERY MAJOR PARTY CAN INFLUENCE THE NEXT FOUR YEARS AND EVERY PARTY HAS A CASE TO MAKE AND TO DEFEND. AND IN CANADA, THE RIGHT TO ASK QUESTIONS IS NEVER BESTOWED BY SOME AUTHORITY. IT BELONGS TO EVERYBODY. TONIGHT’S FORMAT IS SIMPLE. THE NIGHT’S DIVIDED INTO FOUR ISSUE AREAS — THE ECONOMY, INDIGENOUS ISSUES, ENERGY AND THE ENVIRONMENT, AND FOREIGN AFFAIRS. I’LL ASK EACH LEADER A QUESTION ON EACH ISSUE. THAT LEADER WILL HAVE A MINUTE TO RESPOND BEFORE WE OPEN THE FLOOR FOR A FREE-FLOWING DEBATE. ALL LEADERS HAVE AGREED THAT I CAN INTERVENE AT ANY TIME TO FOLLOW UP, ASK NEW QUESTIONS OR CLARIFY WHERE APPROPRIATE. SO LET’S BEGIN WITH OUR FIRST ISSUE, THE ECONOMY. “CityNews” REPORTER GINELLA MASSA SETS THE STAGE FOR US.>>Ginella: CANADA’S JOBLESS RATE IS AT NEAR RECORD LOWS. WAGES ARE ON THE RISE. BORROWING MONEY REMAINS CHEAP, BUT CANADIANS ARE STILL FEELING SQUEEZED.>>WILL NOT ACCEPT OUR SERVICES BEING SHUT DOWN.>>Ginella: IN OUR BIGGEST CITIES AHOT HOUSING MARKET HAS MADE IT HARD TO SCRAPE TOGETHER A DOWN PAYMENT OR PAY THE RENT, NEVER MIND SAVING FOR RETIREMENT OR PAYING FOR TUITION. MEANWHILE MANY WITH WELL-PAYING MANUFACTURING JOBS ARE NERVOUS.>>IT’S SCARY. I PICTURE A CLOSURE OF THE PLANT WITHIN THREE TO FOUR YEARS.>>Ginella: AND THERE ARE FEARS RECESSION IS AROUND THE CORNER. HOW WILL CANADA WEATHER ANOTHER DOWNTURN WHILE STILL CARRYING LARGE DID HE HAVE FITS AND PAYING OFF DEBT FROM THE LAST ONE?>>AS A BUSINESS OWNER, WE WANT TO SEE CONTROL OVER THE BUDGET. I UNDERSTAND THERE HAS TO BE SPENDING, BUT WHO LOOKS BEYOND — LIVES BEYOND THEIR MEANS ALL THE TIME.>>Ginella: SCARBOROUGH AGE INCOURT RIDING, THE ECONOMY IS TOP OF MIND.>>I PROMISE THAT THE DEFICIT WILL BE CONTROLLED AND THE NUMBER THAT THEY PROJECTED WAS REALLY SMALL WHICH SURPRISED ME. BUT WITHIN A COUPLE OF MONTHS IT WAS TOTALLY OVERBOARD. YOU KNOW, THAT IS REALLY MONEY OUT OF EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON’S POCKET.>>Ginella: MANY OF THE MEMBERS IN THIS POTENTIAL SWING RIDING ARE BUSINESS OWNERS THEMSELVES, WORRIED ABOUT HOW FEDERAL DECISIONS WILL IMPACT THE FUTURES. THEIR INDUSTRIES.>>MY CONCERN IS THE FLUCTUATION IN TARIFFS AND THE DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON WITH THE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES THAT ARE SOMEWHAT OUTSIDE OF THE CONTROL OF THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT. THEY HAVEN’T SIGNED THE FREE TRADE YET. WE NEED TO GET SOME STUFF DONE IN ORDER FOR OUR CUSTOMERS TO FEEL CONFIDENT THAT — TO GO AHEAD WITH THEIR BUSINESS PLANS FOR THE FUTURE.>>Ginella: AND WE’RE HERE WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE ROTARY CLUB TO WATCH TONIGHT’S DEBATE. AFTER WE HEAR FROM THE PARTY LEADERS WE’LL CHECK IN WITH THEM AND GET SOME REACTION AND HEAR WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF WHAT THE LEADERS HAD TO SAY.>>Moderator: ANT FIRST QUESTION ON THE ECONOMY GOES TO ELIZABETH MAY OF THE GREEN PARTY. MS. MAY, YOUR ECONOMIC IDEAS AREN’T WIDELY KNOWN. YOU’VE CALLED FOR A GUARANTEED LIVABLE INCOME FOR EVERY CANADIAN. NOW THE PARLIAMENTARY BUDGET OFFICER REPORTED IN 2018 THAT A SIMILAR GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME PROGRAM WOULD COST $43 BILLION A YEAR ON TOP OF THE COST OF THE EXISTING PROGRAMS IT WOULD REPLACE. IS THAT REALISTIC?>>Elizabeth May: HEY, PAUL. LET ME JUST DO A SHOUT-OUT TO MY FELLOW ROTARIANS WATCHING AND I PLEDGE TO ABIE BY THE FOUR-WAY TEST AT ALL TIMES. SHOULD I BECOME PRIME MINISTER OR IN THE REST OF MY POLITICAL LIFE. OUR PLANS ARE VERY REALISTIC. WE HAVE SUBMITTED OUR BUDGET AND OUR PLANS TO THE PARLIAMENTARY BUDGET OFFICE. OUR PLANKS ARE BEING COSTED. IN THE CASE OF GUARANTEED LIVABLE INCOME, IT’S A PROJECT THAT WILL TAKE SOME YEARS TO BRING INTO PLACE BECAUSE WE NEED TO NEGOTIATE WITH EVERY MUNICIPALITY AND THE PROVINCES. WE NEED TO SET THE GUARANTEED LIVABLE INCOME AT A LEVEL WHICH IS INDEED LIVABLE AND WE KNOW THAT ACROSS THIS COUNTRY THAT’S A DIFFERENT MEASURE. BUT WE’LL BE ABLE TO WRAP UP AND END THE PROGRAMS. NOW THE PARLIAMENTARY BUDGET OFFICE IS ONLY LOOKING AT THE COSTS WITH THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY IDENTIFIED. THERE ARE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT P.B.O. MISS UNDER THAT ANNOUNCEMENT. PLUS THE BENEFITS TO OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM WOULD BE ENORMOUS. THE REDUCTION OF BASICALLY HOUSING PEOPLE IN THE MOST EXPENSIVE HOUSING POSSIBLE WHICH IS IN PENITENTIARIES, $100,000 PER YEAR PER PRISONER INSTEAD OF MAKING SURE THAT WE ENVEST EARLY IN ELIMINATING POVERTY IN THIS COUNTRY. WE CAN AFFORD TO DO IT OF THE WE CAN’T AFFORD NOT TO.>>Moderator: THANK YOU, MS. MAY. DOES THAT SOUND GOOD TO YOU?>>Andrew Scheer: WHEN YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING $43 BILLION TO THE COST OF GOVERNMENT, THAT ALL COMES FROM SOMEWHERE. THIS COMES FROM THE ECONOMY. THAT MEAN THERE IS IS LESS PROSPERITY AND LESS GROWTH, LESS ECONOMIC ACTIVITY THAT LIFTS PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY. IN THE PREAMBLE TO THE QUESTION WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE EFFECT OF THAT DEFICIT AND WE’VE SEEN WHAT LONG-TERM PERMANENT DEFICITS HAVE DONE TO THIS COUNTRY IN THE PAST? JUSTIN TRUDEAU PROMISED THAT THE BUDGET WOULD BE BALANCED, THAT THE BUDGET WOULD BALANCE ITSELF THIS YEAR. INSTEAD, WE SEE MASSIVE DEFICITS AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE YEARS INTO THE FUTURE. THAT PUTS A HUGE STRAIN ON OUR SOCIAL SERVICES LIKE HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION, AND IT MEANS THAT, RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION, HE WILL RAISE YOUR TAXES WHEN HE DOESN’T NEED YOUR MONEY BUT HE STILL NEEDS YOUR VOTE. CONSERVATIVES ARE FOCUSED ON CREATING ECONOMIC GROWTH. THAT IS WHAT TRULY LIFTS PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY.>>Moderator: MR. SINGH.>>Jagmeet Singh: WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING. I MEET PEOPLE EVERY DAY THAT ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE. THEY TELL ME THAT THEY’RE NOT SURE IF THEY’RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ENDS MEET. I’VE HAD MOMS WHO ARE STRUGGLING BECAUSE THEY’RE WORRIED ABOUT IF THEY CAN PROVIDE FOR THEIR KIDS. I MET SENIORS WHO CAN’T AFFORD THE MEDICATION THEY NEED AND REALLY IT ALL COMES DOWN TO ONE THING. GOVERNMENTS IN OTTAWA, WHETHER THEY’VE BEEN CONSERVATIVE OR IN THIS CASE PARTICULARLY WITH MR. TRUDEAU THE LIBERALS, GOVERNMENT VERSUS ALWAYS MADE DECISION IT IS SEEMS TO MAKE LIFE EASIER FOR THE RICHEST AND HARDEST FOR EVERYONE ELSE AND WE’VE GOT TO CHANGE THAT. THAT’S WHY WE BELIEVE IN INVESTING IN PEOPLE, MAKING SURE WE BUILD A HEALTH CARE SYSTEM THAT INCLUDES MEDICATION COMFORTABLE FOR ALL, THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT SENIORS NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE COST OF MEDICATION. [ Talking simultaneously ] DON’T HAVE TO WORRY –>>CAN I CORRECT YOU ON ONE POINT? CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT, OUR TAX CUTS OVERWHELMINGLY BENEFITTED LOW AND MIDDLE INCOME CANADIANS. UNDER JUSTIN TRUDEAU LIFE HAS BECOME LESS AFFORDABLE. IT’S HARDER — [ Talking simultaneously ]>>WE KNOW THAT –>>TAX CUTS.>>TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHIEST.>>WAGES LOW AND MIDDLE — [ Talking simultaneously ]>>Elizabeth May: YOU’RE RIGHT. WE HAVE TO FIND MONEY FOR THESE THINGS. THAT’S WHY THE P.B.O. IS COSTING A PLOT FORM — PLATFORM THAT FOR US INCLUDES INCREASING TAXES ON THE WEALTHY, ELIMINATING THE LOOPHOLES THAT OVERWHELMINGLY ONLY BENEFIT THE TOP 1%. STOCK OPTION LOOPHOLES, CAPITAL GAINS. THE WAYS IN WHICH WE DEAL WITH MONEY IN THIS COUNTRY WE CAN FIND MUCH MORE REVENUE. WE DON’T TAX GOOGLE OR –>>I’M GOING TO TELL YOU ONE THING MR. SCHEER JUST POINTED OUT. HE WOULD CUT TAXES. HE WOULD CERTAINLY CUT TAXES. NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. HE WOULD CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY.>>Andrew Scheer: THAT’S JUST NOT TRUE.>>Jagmeet Singh: SERVICES FOR FAMILIES. WE’VE SEEN IT HERE — LET ME FINISH MY POINT. WE’VE SEEN IT HERE IN ONTARIO. MR. FORD PROMISED TO CUT TAXES. HE DID. HE CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHIEST AND THEN HE CUT SERVICES FOR FAMILIES. AUTISM.>>Andrew Scheer: I HAVE MADE.>>Jagmeet Singh: EDUCATION FUNDING. ALL THE THINGS FAMILIES RELY ON –>>Andrew Scheer: I HAVE MADE A CONFIRM COMMITMENT THAT UNDER A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT, I WILL ENSURE THAT FUNDING FOR HEALTH CARE AND SOCIAL SERVICES CONTINUES TO INCREASE. BUT THOSE SERVICES ARE THREATENED. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ONTARIO, WE CAN SEE THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS TRYING TO DO TO CANADA WHAT KATHLEEN WYNNE AND THE LIBERALS DID TO ONTARIO WHEN THEY RAN MASSIVE DEFICITS THAT PUT STRAINS ON OUR PUBLIC SERVICES AND LED TO HIGHER TAXES. UNDER THAT TYPE OF PROGRAM, OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL FIND IT HARDER AND HARDER TO FUND THOSE PROGRAMS. THE ONLY WAY TO PAY FOR THAT IS THROUGH HIGHER TAXES WHICH WILL MAKE LIFE –>>Elizabeth May: UNIVERSAL PHARMACARE IS THE BEST WAY TO REDUCE COSTS. [ Talking simultaneously ] ASH ASHT ONLY WAY TO HELP PEOPLE GET AHEAD.>>Jagmeet Singh: IS NOT TO CUT.>>Elizabeth May: SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT. AND WE REALLY NEED — 100% UNIVERSAL PHARMACARE. THAT’S THE BEST WAY TO CONTROL HEALTH CARE COSTS.>>Moderator: WE’VE STARTED A PRETTY GOOD DEBATE TONIGHT ALREADY. LET’S GO TO OUR SECOND QUESTION. THIS ONE’S FOR ANDREW SCHEER, LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY. ALL THE ISSUES YOU HAVE RAISED IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES ARE GOING TO COME UP LATER IN THE DEBATE. MR. SCHEER, NEW CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENTS IN TWO LARGE PROVES VINCES THIS YEAR, ALBERTA AND ONTARIO, HAVE DISCOVERED WORSE-THAN-EXPECTED DEFICITS REQUIRING BIGGER-THAN-EXPECTED SPENDING CUTS. IF YOUR NEW CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT WERE TO DISCOVER THE SAME SITUATION AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, WOULD YOU CUT SPENDING OR PUSH BACK YOUR TARGET FOR A BALANCED BUDGET? AND IF YOU’D CUT, WHAT WOULD YOU CUT?>>Andrew Scheer: I’M CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE TO ENCOUNTER THOSE SCENARIOS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A FULLY COSTED PLATFORM THAT WILL SHOW CANADIANS HOW WE WILL GET BACK TO BALANCED BUDGETS OVER A RESPONSIBLE PERIOD OF TIME, FIVE YEARS, WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO MAINTAIN INCREASES IN IMPORTANT SERVICES, TO IMPORTANT SERVICES LEAK HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION. WE WILL RUN A GOVERNMENT THAT LIVES WITHIN ITS MEANS SO THAT WE STOP BORROWING MONEY, WE SEE MORE AND MORE CANADIAN TAXPAYERS’ DOLLARS GOING JUST TO PAY THE INTEREST RATE ON THAT DEBT. UNDER JUSTIN TRUDEAU, TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE DEBT AND THAT MEANS MORE AND MORE OF YOUR HARD-EARNED DOLLAR IS GOING TO PAY BANKS AND BOND HOLDERS FOR THAT DEBT. BY GETTING BACK TO BA LANCED BUDGETS, WE CAN LOWER TAXES, PUT MORE MONEY IN YOUR POCKET SO THAT YOU CAN GET AHEAD. THAT IS WHAT THIS ELECTION IS ALL ABOUT. WHO DO YOU TRUST TO MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE AND HELP YOU GET AHEAD? OUR PLAN WILL DO EXACTLY THAT.>>Moderator: MR. SINGH GOES FIRST AND THEN WE’LL OPEN IT UP.>>Jagmeet Singh: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PAUL. LET’S BE REALLY CLEAR. WHEN CONSERVATIVES TALK ABOUT CUTS TO TAXES, THEY’RE GOING TO CUT SERVICES. THAT EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO. HERE IN ONTARIO PEOPLE HAVE FELT IT. THEY FELT THE CUTS. THOSE WHO ARE MOST VULNERABLE ARE SEEING THEIR SERVICES CUT. KIDS WHO ARE LIVING WITH AUTISM, THEIR SERVICES HAVE BEEN CUT. WHAT WE BELIEVE IS THAT MR. TRUDEAU, SAME THING. HE BELIEVES THAT THE PRIORITIES SHOULD BE MAKING LIFE EASIER FOR THE WEALTHIEST. I BELIEVE IT HAS TO BE DIFFERENT AND WE CAN DO IT DIFFERENTLY. WE NEED TO ENVEST IN FAMILIES. OUR PLAN IS, BY 2020, TO EXPAND OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM TO INCLUDE MEDICATION COVERAGE FOR ALL. I MET A TEN-YEAR-OLD KID AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE LIVED WITH CHRONIC ILLNESS AND HE WASN’T WORRIED ABOUT HIS CHRONIC ILLNESS. HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT HOW MUCH HIS MEDICATION COST HIS MOM AND DAD. A TEN-YEAR-OLD KID FELT LIKE A BURDEN. I WANT THAT TEN-YEAR-OLD KID TO KNOW THAT, WITH OUR PLAN HE WILL NOT FEEL LIKE A BURDEN.>>Andrew Scheer: THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS CONSERVATIVES IN THE PAST HAVE GOT CANADA BACK TO BAP LANCED BUDGETS WHILE MAINTAINING HISTORIC INCREASES IN INVESTMENTS FOR HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION. THAT IS OUR TRACK RECORD [ Talking simultaneously ]>>MR. SCHEER. MS. MAY HAS A POINT. THE QUESTION WAS IN THE EVENT OF A SURPRISE, WHICH PRIORITY GOES FIRST? PUSH BACK A BALANCED BUDGET OR DO YOU CUT DEEPER THAN YOU WOULD HAVE –>>Andrew Scheer: WE HAVE MADE A COMMITMENT TO GET BACK TO BALANCED BUDGETS OVER FIVE YEARS. WE ARE GOING TO CONTROL THE RATE OF GROWTH. WE HAVE SEEN RECORD LEVELS OF SPENDING. WE’RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THOSE LEVELS. WE’RE ALSO GOING TO ELIMINATE WASTEFUL LIBERAL SPENDING LIKE THE $250 MILLION THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU SEND THE ASIAN IIHF BANK TO BUILD ROADS AND BRIDGES IN OTHER COUNTRIES. WE’RE GOING TO REPATRIATE THAT MONEY AND THAT’S HOW WE’RE GOING TO GET BACK TO BALANCED BUDGETS. WE’RE GOING TO DO AT THE SAME TIME AS INCREASING EDUCATION AND HEALTH CARE TRANSFERS. I HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR ON THAT. THAT IS A FIRM COMMITMENT. LOWER TAXES AND PUT MORE MONEY IN THE POCKETS OF CANADIANS.>>Elizabeth May: BY COINCIDENCE MR. SCHEER AND THE GREEN PARTY HAVE THE SAME WITHIN FIVE YEARS. WE HAVE A LOT OF REVENUE COMING IN FROM NEW STREAMS INCLUDING PUTTING A SURCHARGE ON BANKS, PROFIT — BANKS’ PROFITS, BRINGING IN HIGHER TAXES ON LARGE TRANSNATIONAL CORPORATIONS AND MANY OTHERS THAT WILL BE IN OUR PLATFORM. BUT IF I WERE FACED WITH THE CHOICE THAT YOU’VE JUST PUT TO US, I WOULD NOT CUT SPENDING AND SERVICES. WE NEED TO MASSIVELY EXPAND SERVICES. WE NEED 100% UNIVERSAL PHARMACARE. JAGMEET’S RIGHT. WE HAVE TO WITH PHARMACARE. WE’RE THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT DOESN’T HAVE PHARMACARE. WE NEED TO ELIMINATE TUITION SO OUR KIDS CAN GET A GOOD START OR AT ANY AGE IMPROVE YOUR EDUCATION, EXPERIENCE THE BEST YOU CAN BE AND WE NEED TO FUND POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANTLY THAN WE DO NOW.>>BUDGET WELL BACK –>>.>>Elizabeth May: IT’S NOT IDENTIFY-YEAR-OLD LOGICAL.>>Jagmeet Singh: FAMILIES ARE STRUGGLING. WE RECENTLY HEARD THAT NEARLY HALF OF CANADIANS ARE JUST $200 AWAY FROM NOT BEING ABLE TO PAY THEIR BILLS.>>Andrew Scheer: JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S MADE LIFE MORE UNAFFORDABLE.>>Jagmeet Singh: HE’S PROMISED A LOT AND NOT DELIVERED. HE’S HURT FAMILIES BY NEGLECTING. MR. SCHEER IS GOING TO PROMISE YOU A COUPLE EXTRA DOLLARS IN YOUR POCKET BUT IT’S GOING TO HURT BECAUSE HE’S GOING TO CUT ALL THE SERVICES YOU DEPEND ON.>>Andrew Scheer: THAT’S JUST NOT TRUE.>>Jagmeet Singh: WE KNOW WHAT CONSERVATIVES DO. WE SEE THEM DO IT IN ALBERTA AND ONTARIO. MR. SCHEER IS GOING TO DO THE SAME THING. WHAT WE BELIEVE WHY DON’T WE TACKLE ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS PEOPLE ARE FACED WITH AND THAT’S THE HOUSING CRISIS? TO DO THAT WE NEED TO TACKLE SPECULATORS AND MONEY LAUNDERING. IT ALSO MEANS WE HAVE HE GOT TO INVEST FROM BUILDING HOMES, QUALITY HOMES AND WE’RE COMMITTED TO BUILDING 500,000 NEW HOMES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.>>Andrew Scheer: THE ISSUE IS THAT WHEN TIMES ARE GOOD, THAT IS THE TIME TO PAY DOWN DEBTS, THAT THERE’S MORE FLEXIBILITY. THERE ARE SOME VERY TROUBLING SIGNS ON THE HORIZON CANADA MAY BE HEADING INTO SOME DIFFICULT PERIODS. UNLIKE THE PREVIOUS CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT THAT PAID DOWN DEBT TO GIVE US FLEXIBILITY THAT ALLOWED US TO BE THE LAST INTO RECESSION AND THE FIRST ONE OUT, WE ARE GOING TO HIT THOSE DIFFICULT TIMES IN A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION WITHOUT THAT TYPE OF FLEXIBILITY. THAT INCREASED DEBT COSTS TAXPAYERS. IT MEANS MORE OF YOUR HARD-EARNED DOLLARS IS GOING TO PAY BANKS AND BOND HOLDERS. WE WANT TO GET BACK TO BALANCED BUDGETS SO WE CAN PUT THAT MONEY BACK INTO SERVICES AND FIND NEW WAYS TO LOWER YOUR TAXES.>>Jagmeet Singh: FUNNY YOU MENTION THAT MR. SCHEER BECAUSE YOUR GOVERNMENT IN THE PAST HAS CONSISTENTLY BENEFITTED THE WEALTHIEST.>>Andrew Scheer: THAT’S JUST NOT TRUE.>>Jagmeet Singh: MR. TRUDEAU HAS DONE THE SAME THING [ Talking simultaneously ]>>THE FACT –>>I DIDN’T CUT YOU OFF WHILE YOU’RE TALKING.>>Andrew Scheer: I DIDN’T SAY THINGS THAT AREN’T TRUE.>>Jagmeet Singh: PEOPLE AT THE VERY TOP CONTINUE TO BE BENEFITTED BY MR. TRUDEAU AND MR. SCHEER. WE NEED TO MAKE LAWS AND RULES THAT EPP HELP PEOPLE OUT.>>Elizabeth May: WE NEED A TAX COMMISSION.>>Jagmeet Singh: MR. TRUDEAU CERTAINLY HASN’T DONE IT. HE HASN’T SHOWN UP FOR FOUR YEARS FOR PEOPLE. HE HASN’T SHOWN UP TODAY FOR THE DEBATE. [ Talking simultaneously ] LET’S TAKE ON THE POWERFUL INTERESTS.>>Elizabeth May: I THINK WE NEED TO EXAMINE — OUR WHOLE TAX CULTURE. [ Talking simultaneously ] UNSUSTAINABLE. OUR TAX CODE IS SO CONFUSING.>>Moderator: ANDREW SCHEER, WHAT’S THE CONSENSUS?>>Andrew Scheer: I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS AFRAID OF HIS RECORD AND THAT’S WHY HE’S NOT HERE TONIGHT. [ Talking simultaneously ]>>Elizabeth May: WE CAN AGREE ON THAT.>>Moderator: I’M GLAD WE AGREE ON THE HARD POINTS.>>Elizabeth May: NOW SING KUMBAYA AND KEEP GOING.>>THE NEXT QUESTION IS FOR JAGMEET SINGH. MR. SINGH, YOU’RE PROMISING A HUGE EXPANSION OF HEALTH CARE IN CANADA, A SO-CALLED HEAD TO TOE APPROACH THAT WOULD INCLUDE DENTAL CARE, PHARMACARE, EYE CARE, HOME CARE, LONG-TERM CARE, ALL WRITTEN INTO THE CANADA HEALTH ACT. HOW LONG WILL THAT TAKE AND HOW WILL THE LIMITED TAX INCREASES IN THE N.D.P. PLATFORM COVER THE COST OF AWE THAT?>>Jagmeet Singh: IT’S ABOUT CHOICES, PAUL A. WE MAKE DIFFERENT CHOICES. WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE DECISIONS MR. TRUDEAU HAS MADE OVER THE PAST YEAR. HE GAVE $14 BILLION AWAY TO THE WEALTHIEST CORPORATIONS SO THEY COULD BUY CORPORATE JETS AND LIMOUSINES. HE BOUGHT A PIPELINE FOR $4.5 BILLION. THAT’S ALMOST $20 BILLION THAT HE COMMITTED TO THE WEALTHIEST AND THE MOST POWERFUL. WE’D MAKE DIFFERENT CHOICES. I THINK ABOUT A YOUNG WOMAN THAT I MET IN LONDON. HER NAME IS JESSICA. SHE’S A SINGLE MOM. SHE’S PREGNANT AND SHE’S GOT MEDICATION SHE CANNOT AFFORD. I SAY SHE SHOULDN’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE COST OF MEDICATION ON TOP OF THE OTHER FEARS SHE HAS. SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS BRING IN UNIVERSAL MEDICATION COVERAGE FOR ALL IN ONE YEAR. BY 2020. WE’RE GOING TO SIT DOWN WITH ALL THE PREMIERS ACROSS THIS — ACROSS THIS COUNTRY AND SAY TO THEM, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO YOUR HEALTH CARE, WITH THE SAME AMOUNT THAT YOU’RE SPENDING RIGHT NOW, WE WILL BACK THAT UP WITH $10 BILLION TO FUND EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN YOUR PROVINCE. WE KNOW THAT UNLIKE MR. SCHEER WHO SAYS 95% OF CANADIANS ARE COVERED, THEY’RE NOT. WE’RE GOING TO COVER YOU BECAUSE WE’RE IN IT FOR YOU.>>Moderator: ELIZABETH MAY, I SAW YOU NODDING.>>Elizabeth May: I AGREE WITH JAGMEET ABOUT UNIVERSAL CARE. WE CAN’T AFFORD NOT TO TO DO IT. I AM TROUBLED BY THE NUMBERS. GREENS WORKING TOWARDS COMFORTABLE OF DENTAL. WHEN WE WENT TO P.B.O. FOUR YEARS AGO TO CHECK OUT THE COSTS IT CAME TO $30 BILLION AND WE REALIZED WE COULDN’T AFFORD IT. OUR PLATFORM LOOKS AT PROVIDING DENTAL RIGHT NOW FOR LOW-INCOME CANADIANS BECAUSE I DON’T SEE HOW, JAGMEET, I DON’T SEE HOW YOU FOUND THE MOPE. YOUR BUDGET, AS PAUL SAID, IT — FOUND THE MONEY. IT DOESN’T REFLECT THE KIND OF MONEY FOR UNIVERSAL FREE DENTAL. UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE THROUGH PHARMACARE IS ESSENTIAL. IT WILL HELP US BRING DOWN COSTS THAT WILL SAVE US BILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR.>>Jagmeet Singh: I AGREE.>>Elizabeth May: BUT WE CAN ONLY AFFORD LOW-INCOME DENTAL.>>Jagmeet Singh: WE KNOW DENTAL CARE IS SOMETHING ESSENTIAL. DENTAL CARE, DENTAL HEALTH FOR OVERALL HEALTH. WE BELIEVE WE CAN’T AFFORD NOT TO ENVEST IN DENTAL CARE RIGHT NOW. THERE’S FAR TOO MANY CANADIANS THAT CAN’T AFFORD THEIR DENTAL CARE AND THEY END UP IN HOSPITALS AND THEY DON’T GET THEIR INITIAL PROBLEM TREATED BECAUSE THERE IS NO DENTAL COMFORTABLE. WE BELIEVE WE CAN DO IT. I’VE MET SO MANY FAMILIES THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH THE COSTS OF DENTAL CARE AND IT’S A COMMITMENT OF OURS. WE’LL START START WITH PHARMACARE FOR ALL. THROUGH REVENUES INCLUDING CLOSING OFFSHORE TAX HAVENS AND OTHER LOOPHOLES, MAKING SURE WE — [ Talking simultaneously ]>>Andrew Scheer: YOU CANNOT INCREASE HEALTH CARE SERVICES WHEN YOU’RE PAYING MORE AND MORE MONEY TO PAY THE SERVICE CHARGES ON THE DEBT. AND THAT IS WHAT ALL THESE PLANS WILL LEAD TO. HIGHER AND HIGHER TAXES WHICH TAKE MONEY OUT OF THE ECONOMY WHICH MEANS THAT THERE’S LESS ECONOMIC GROWTH WHICH MEANS THERE’S FEWER OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO LIFT THEMSELVES OUT OF POVERTY. EVERY DOLLAR THAT GOES TO A BOND HOLDER OR BANKER FOR THE DEBT THAT THEY HOLD IS ANOTHER DOLLAR THAT YOU CAN’T PUT INTO EXPAND THOSE SERVICES. THAT’S WHY IT’S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A RESPONSIBLE PLAN TO GET BACK TO BALANCED BUDGETS. THAT’S HOW WE’RE GOING TO LOWER TAXES TO LEAVE MORE MONEY IN YOUR POCKET. AND IT IS TRUE [ Talking simultaneously ] UP TO 95% OF CANADIANS.>>Jagmeet Singh: I CAN’T BELIEVE — [ Talking simultaneously ]>>Andrew Scheer: ARE ELIGIBLE FOR PHARMACARE. [ Talking simultaneously ] PRESCRIPTION DRUG COVERAGE. AND THAT IS WHY A GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON THOSE PEOPLE WHO FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS.>>Elizabeth May: WE NEED TO PROVIDE –>>FILL IN THE GAPS.>>Elizabeth May: YOU’RE RIGHT TO — [ Talking simultaneously ]>>Moderator: I’M GOING TO — I’M GOING TO CALL INAUDIBLE, FOLKS. WE’VE CERTAINLY SEEN SOME STARK DIFFERENCES AMONG YOU ON THESE ISSUES. I HAVE A QUESTION THAT IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS OF THE WEEK, WHICH IS BILL 21 IN QUEBEC, WHICH WILL FORBID PUBLIC SERVANTS, WHICH TODAY FORBIDS PUBLIC SERVANTS FROM WEARING RELIGIOUS SIGNS INCLUDING TEACHERS. AND THE PREMIER OF QUEBEC, FRANCOIS LEGAULT, SAID THIS — HE’S CALLING ON ALL OF TO YOU STAY OUT OF THAT DEBATE AND NOT TO CHALLENGE IT IN LAW. HE WANTS YOU ALL TO MAKE AN UNDERTAKING, NOT JUST FOR NOW BUT FOREVER, TO NEVER CHALLENGE THAT LEGISLATION. QUEBECERS, HE SAYS, HAVE DECIDED. HE’S GOING TO GET WHAT HE WANTS, ISN’T HE? MS. MAY FIRST.>>Elizabeth May: AUTO I FIND IT VERY DISTRESSING. BILL 21 IS CLEARLY AN INFRINGEMENT ON HUMAN RIGHTS. OUR FEDERATION, AS SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES I AM COMPETENT AND FULLY ABLE TO BE PRIME MINISTER, I TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY WHEN I LOOK BACK AT OUR HISTORY OF DIVISIONS WITHIN THIS COUNTRY, SEPARATISM WITHIN QUEBEC I DON’T WANT TO FUEL. I WANT TO WORK TO FIND A WAY THAT ENSURES THE RIGHTS OF EVERY QUEBECER, WEARING A HIJAB OR TURBAN OR A YARMULKE, THAT THEY’RE ACTUALLY PROTECTED. AND IT MAY BE THAT WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION WHERE WE LEAVE QUEBEC ALONE BUT WE FIND JOBS FOR ANYONE THAT QUEBEC HAS TAKEN OFF OF THEIR PAYROLL FOR WORKING IN A GOVERNMENT JOB AND HOW YOU QUALIFY KINDERGARTEN TEACHERS AS A GOVERNMENT JOB, NEVER MIND.>>Moderator: GIVE JOBS TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO LEAVE?>>Elizabeth May: YES.>>Andrew Scheer: I’VE MADE MY VIEWS ON THIS POSITION VERY CLEAR. THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY WILL ALWAYS STABL STAND UP FOR INDIVIDUAL LIBERTIES. WE ARE THE PARTY THAT SUPPORTS INDIVIDUAL EXPRESSION. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD EVER THINK OF IMPOSING AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. AND RIGHT NOW PEOPLE IN QUEBEC WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS LEGISLATION OR AFFECTED BY THIS LEGISLATION ARE PURR SOOG IT IN THE COURTS AS IS THEIR RIGHT AND ULTIMATELY THE COURTS WILL MAKE A DECISION ON THAT.>>Moderator: A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT WON’T JOIN THEM IN THE COURT.>>Andrew Scheer: WE’RE NOT GOING TO INTERVENE IN THE CASE. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST THIS BILL ARE DOING THAT. USING THE COURTS AS IS THEIR RIGHT AND THE COURTS WILL ULTIMATELY DEED ON THAT.>>Moderator: JAGMEET SINGH.>>Jagmeet Singh: I THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS BILL SAYS TO A LOT OF KIDS OUT THERE MADE TO FEEL LIKE THEY DON’T BELONG BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY LOOK. I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS MADE TO FEEL I COULDN’T DO THINGS BECAUSE OF THE WAY I LOOKED. THIS IS A LAW THAT EFFECTIVELY SAYS THAT NOT JUST WE DISCRIMINATE PEOPLE MAYBE IN SOCIETY BUT NOW IT’S LEGISLATED. IT’S LEGISLATED DISCRIMINATION AND IT’S SAD AND IT’S HURTFUL. I THINK ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO PURSUE BECOMING AN EDUCATOR OR MAYBE WANTED TO BECOME A LAWYER OR JUDGE AND HOW IT’S TELLING THEM THAT THEY ARE LESS WORTHY AND THEY DON’T BELONG. WHAT I DO, I RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF.>>Moderator: WE HAVE TO WRAP IT UP.>>Jagmeet Singh: IMPORTANT CHALLENGE GOING ON RIGHT NOW AND I SUPPORT THAT RIGHT TO CHALLENGE THIS LAW IN COURT. I’M HOPING THAT I CAN SEND A MESSAGE TO PEOPLE IN QUEBEC THAT YOU CAN BELIEVE IN WHO YOU ARE. YOU CAN CELEBRATE YOUR IDENTITY AND CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY AND I’M HOPING THAT I CAN SEND THAT MESSAGE.>>Moderator: OK. GOING TO COURT IN LAW IN QUEBEC. THAT CONCLUDES OUR DISCUSSION OF ECONOMIC ISSUES AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS. TO GET REACTION AND LET YOU KNOW HOW YOU CAN GET INVOLVED WE’LL BE TAKING A FEW MID-DEBATE BREAKS WITH OUR “CityNews” COLLEAGUES. HERE’S MELANIE NG IN TORONTO.>>Melanie: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT, PAUL. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CHIMING IN ONLINE. IN FACT THIS #firstdebate IS TRENDING NUMBER ONE ON TWITTER IN CANADA. BUT WE ARE ALSO TAKING YOUR QUESTIONS, GETTING YOUR REACTION POLL. WE RELEASED THIS POLL EARLIER ON IN THE DAY AND THIS IS THE QUESTION WE WERE ASKING YOU — ARE YOU PLANNING TO VOTE IN THE FEDERAL ELECTION? OVERWHELMINGLY 87% SAYING YES. 13% SAYING NO. WE’LL KEEP THIS POLL OPEN BUT WE WANT TO BRING IN A NEW ONE. THIS ONE IS ON TWITTER. HERE’S THE QUESTION. OF THE FOUR DEBATE TOPICS, WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE TO YOU? AS YOU KNOW WE ARE DISCUSSING FOUR MAJOR ONES HERE — ECONOMY, FOREIGN POLICY, INDIGENOUS ISSUES, ENERGY AND THE ENVIRONMENT SO THAT’S GOING UP ON TWITTER RIGHT NOW AND YOU CAN HAVE YOUR SAY. WE’LL CHECK IN IN ABOUT 20 MINUTES’ TIME. MEANWHILE BEHIND THE SCENES, WE ARE BRINGING IN THE PROS. AARON BRINDLE FROM GOOGLE CANADA IS A TRENDS EXPERT. HE WILL BE FOLLOWING THE ANALYTICS THROUGHOUT THE DEBATE. DILSHAD BURMAN IS PART OF OUR DIGITAL TEAM WITH Citytv “CityNews” TORONTO. SHE HAS ALSO BEEN SEEN SHOOTING SOME BEHIND-THE-SCENES FOOTAGE ON INSTAGRAM WHERE THE LEADER WERE ARRIVING TO OUR BUILDING HERE IN TORONTO AS WELL AS SOME OF THE SUPPORTERS WHO ARE STANDING BY THERE. SO DON’T FORGET TO VOTE. WE’LL CHECK BACK IN WITH YOU ON THESE POLLS. MEANTIME CHECK IN WITH OUR GINELLA MASSA WHO IS STANDING BY IN THE EASTERN PART OF TORONTO AT THE ROTARY CLUB. GINELLA?>>Ginella: THAT’S RIGHT, MEL. WE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE FOLKS HERE AT THE ROTARY CLUB JUST AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE DEBATE AND HEARD SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS. I WANT TO BRING BACK GILL WHO SPOKE WITH US EARLIER. WHAT DID YOU HEAR THAT JUMPED OUT AT YOU? WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DEFICIT AND SOME DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO THAT.>>WELL, RIGHT OFF THE BAD, I THINK MR. TRUDEAU HAS — IS CONSPICUOUS BY HIS ABSENCE SO I DON’T THINK HE DID HIMSELF ANY FAVOURS THERE. I NOTICE THAT MR. SINGH IS TRYING TO PORTRAY MR. SCHEER AS A FORD CONSERVATIVE. I DON’T KNOW HOW THAT WILL CARRY. I KNOW MISS MAY, KUDOS FOR HER BEING A ROTARIAN, BUT I THINK HER SPENDING PROJECTIONS, I DON’T SEE HOW THEY COULD POSSIBLY COST THAT OUT BECAUSE THE TALKS ABOUT THERE WILL BE SO MUCH SPENDING DONE AS MY COLLEAGUE LAST WEEK WAS SAYING. YOU CAN’T JUST KEEP SPENDING, SPENDING, SPENDING WITHOUT HAVING SOME WAY OF PAYING FOR IT. THAT WOULD BE MY BIG WORRY BETWEEN MR. SINGH AND MISS MAY. THAT’S MY INITIAL.>>Ginella: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING THAT. WE’LL SEND IT NOW BACK TO THE DEBATE.>>Moderator: INDIGENOUS ISSUES HAVE RARELY BEEN AT THE CENTRE OF AS MANY NATIONAL DEBATES AS THEY’VE BEEN OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS. FROM PIPELINES TO CLEAN DRINKING WATER TO THE INQUIRY INTO MISSING AND MURDERED INDIGENOUS WOMEN AND GIRLS WITH ITS 231 RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WALL CALLS FOR JUSTICE. THAT’S WHY WE’VE DECIDED OUR SECOND TOPIC TONIGHT WILL BE INDIGENOUS ISSUES. AMONG THE LEADERS RIGHT NOW I’M GOC A LITTLE MORE INTERVENTIONIST TO MAKE SURE YOU DON’T TALK OVER ONE ANOTHER. WE HAVE TO BE COMPREHENSIBLE, TOO. ANDREW SCHEER FROM THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY YOU GET THE FIRST QUESTION. LAST WEEK THE CANADIAN HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL HANDED DOWN A DECISION THAT COULD FORCE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO PAY $2 BILLION IN COMPENSATION TO FIRST NATIONS CHILDREN HARMED BY THE ON-RESERVE CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM. WOULD YOU APPEAL THAT DECISION OR ACCEPT?>>Andrew Scheer: WELL, I WOULD CERTAINLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS A UNIQUE RESPONSIBILITY AS IT RELATES TO FIRST NATIONS AND ESPECIALLY INDIGENOUS CHILDREN BOTH ON AND OFF RESERVE. IT’S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THESE — THAT THE PROGRAMS ARE OFFERED TO YOUNG INDIGENOUS PEOPLE GIVE THEM THE EXACT SAME OPPORTUNITIES THAT EVERY SINGLE OTHER CANADIAN HAS. IT’S VERY IMPORTANT THAT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WORKS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH FIRST NATIONS COMMUNITIES. I’VE GOT A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH GRAND CHIEF PERRY BELLEGARDE. HE ACTUALLY COMES FROM MY HOME RIDING OF REGINA QU’APPELLE. THAT’S WHY OUR CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT WILL BE FOCUSED ON PRACTICAL THINGS THAT CAN ALLEVIATE THE TYPES OF CHALLENGES THAT ARE FACING INDIGENOUS CANADIANS. THAT INCLUDES ENSURING THAT WE END LONG-TERM BOIL WATER ADVISORIES, THAT THERE ARE PARTNERSHIPS IN PLACE TO SET PEOPLE ON RESERVE AND OFF RESERVE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THE SAME TIMES OF JOBS OTHER CANADIANS DO. THAT MEANS SAYING YES TO IMPORTANT NATURAL RESOURCE PROJECTS THAT GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY. WE WILL OF COURSE ABIDE BY COURT DECISIONS AND SEE THE TYPES OF IMPACTS IT HAS ON OUR ABILITIES TO PROVIDE THOSE PROGRAMS BUT OF COURSE WE’RE GOING TO BE THERE AS A WILLING PARTNER.>>Moderator: MS. MAY.>>Elizabeth May: I’M PLEASED TO HEAR YOU SAY IF I DID UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER, YOU WILL FULLY ENFORCE THE NEW RULING FROM THE HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN WASTED LEGAL EFFORTS TO QUASH THE EFFORTS OF CINDY BLACKSTOCK AND THE CHILD AND FAMILY SERVICES AND CARING SOCIETY. THIS IS A HUGE VICTORY FOR THE WORK THAT’S BEEN DONE TO PROTECT INDIGENOUS CHILDREN WITH THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT FIGHTING THEM TOOTH AND NAIL AND THE THINGS YOU’VE MENTIONED, ANDREW, ARE ESSENTIAL BUT NOT AT ALL SUFFICIENT TO MEET THE CHALLENGE OF TRUTH, JUSTICE AND RECONCILIATION, WHICH MEANS COMMITTING TO THE FULL — AS WE DO AS GREENS, COMPLETELY FULFILLING THE REQUIREMENTS ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION COMMISSION AND THE MURDERED AND MISSING INDIGENOUS WOMEN’S INQUIRY. WE WILL DO THESE THINGS AND THAT’S JUST THE BEGINNING OF WORKING FOR REAL JUSTICE, WHICH MEANS ALLOWING FIRST NATIONS, INDIGENOUS, MéTIS AND INUIT SOCIETIES THAT SELF-IDENTIFY. THEY DECIDE WHO’S A MEMBER OF THEIR COMMUNITY AND WE BEGIN TO LET — AND ENCOURAGE THAT WE HAVE COMMUNITIES AND NATIONS OPT OUT OF THE INDIAN ACT SO WE CAN END THIS STRUCTURAL VIOLENCE –>>Moderator: IN THE CASE AFTER HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL DECISION LIKE THIS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS 30 DAYS TO DECIDE WHETHER TO REFER IT TO A FEDERAL COURT.>>Elizabeth May: THAT’S RIGHT.>>Moderator: WHICH MEANS THAT GUY THE PRIME MINISTER MUST MAKE THAT DECISION DURING THIS CAMPAIGN.>>Elizabeth May: YES.>>Moderator: YOU WOULD ARGUE THAT HE SHOULDN’T REFER IT TO A FEDERAL COURT?>>Elizabeth May: HE MUST IMMEDIATELY ACCEPT THAT THIS IS LONG OVERDUE AND CANADA WILL FULFIL LONG IN A PARTY OF INJUSTICE TOWARDS INDIGENOUS CHILDREN. WE MORE INDIGENOUS CHILDREN IN CARE NOW THAN AT THE HEIGHT OF THE RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS. THIS IS A CRISIS.>>Moderator: MR. SCHEER, HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND?>>Andrew Scheer: IT’S ESSENTIAL THAT THE OUTCOME OF THESE TYPES OF DECISION ACTUALLY GETS THE RESOURCES TO THE PEOPLE THAT NEED IT THE MOST AND ENSURING THAT THIS TYPE OF DECISION FOCUSES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT’S EFFORTS ON CREATING THOSE SAME TYPES OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT EVERY OTHER CANADIAN HAS IS THE ESSENTIAL PART HERE.>>Jagmeet Singh: I DIDN’T HEAR IF YOU WOULD ACCEPT THE RULING OR NOT. THIS IS INDIGENOUS KIDS THAT ARE NOT GETTING EQUAL FUNDING. THE HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL OF CANADA HAS RULED, AND MR. TRUDEAU CERTAINLY HASN’T LISTENED TO RULINGS IN THE PAST. HE’S APPEALED FOUR OR FIVE TIMES PREVIOUS RULINGS. NOW MR. SCHEER, IT’S NOT SURPRISING BUT IT IS APPALLING THAT HE HASN’T SAID THAT HE WOULD ACCEPT THE RULING. LET ME BE VERY CLEAR. YES, A NEW DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT WOULD ACCEPT THE RULING. AT A MINIMUM WE SHOULDN’T BE TAKING INDIGENOUS KIDS TO COURT. THEY DESERVE RESPECT AND DIGNITY. THAT’S WHAT RECONCILIATION’S ALL B.AT A BASIC LEVEL, WE ENSURE THAT THERE’S EQUAL FUNDING. WE ALSO ENSURE THAT THERE’S CLEAN DRINKING WATER. THERE’S ACCESS TO QUALITY HOMES. WE MAKE SURE THAT INDIGENOUS PEOPLE ARE TREATED AS EQUAL PARTNERS IN DECISIONS. I AM APPALLED MR. SCHEER COULDN’T JUST SAY YES, WE WOULDN’T APPEAL THE DECISION.>>Moderator: ON THE BROADER QUESTION, DON’T RULINGS LIKE THIS DEMONSTRATE HOW MUCH EXPECTATIONS AND FRUSTRATION HAVE INCREASED EVEN IN ONLY THE LAST FOUR YEARS? MR. SCHEER, DOESN’T THAT MAKE IT A MUCH GREATER GOVERNING CHALLENGE THAN IT WAS EVEN THE LAST TIME A CONSERVATIVE WAS IN POWER FOUR YEARS AGO?>>Andrew Scheer: YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IF THERE’S ONE AREA WHERE JUSTIN TRUDEAU RAISED EXPECTATIONS TO LEVELS THAT HE HAS BEEN A COMPLETE DISAPPOINTMENT ON, IT IS ON INDIGENOUS FILES. WE HAVE SEEN, YOU KNOW, THE DISDAIN THAT HE HAS SHOWN PEOPLE THAT HE HAD PROMISED AS IT RELATES TO GRASSY NARROWS, AN IMPORTANT IMPROVEMENT IN THE HEALTH CARE SERVICES TO THOSE PEOPLE AND THE DISDAIN AND DISMISSIVE ATTITUDE HE TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE ADVOCATING ON THEIR BEHALF. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT, THAT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE STILL SO MANY PLACES IN CANADA WHERE INDIGENOUS CHILDREN CAN’T DRINK THE WATER, WHERE THEY DON’T HAVE THE ACCESS TO –>>Elizabeth May: WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, ANDREW, IT WAS CONSERVE CONSERVATIVE SENATORS THAT BLOCKED THE PASSAGE OF THE BILL THAT PASSED IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS THAT WE SHOULD HONOUR THE DECLARATION — [ Talking simultaneously ]>>Andrew Scheer: FOR A VERY IMPORTANT REASON, MISS MAY.>>Elizabeth May: BECAUSE THEY WANT TODAY BLOCK INDIGENOUS RIGHTS.>>Andrew Scheer: IN THAT BILL, THERE IS A PROVISION THAT WOULD FORCE GOVERNMENTS TO RECOGNIZE THAT, IN ORDER FOR BIG PROJECTS TO GO AHEAD THE TYPES OF JOB-CREATING PROJECTS THAT GIVE.>>Elizabeth May: PRIOR INFORMED CONSENT.>>Andrew Scheer: FREE, PRIOR AND INFORMED CONCEPT.>>Elizabeth May: CORRECT.>>Andrew Scheer: AND THAT MEANS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TREMENDOUS UNCERTAINTY. IT MEANS THAT –>>Jagmeet Singh: RIGHT NOW THERE’S UNCERTAINTY.>>Andrew Scheer: THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. [ Talking simultaneously ]>>Andrew Scheer: THERE ARE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES THAT WANT A PROJECT TO PROCEED, THEY WOULD BE VETOED. AND PART ABOUT RESPECTING INDIGENOUS RIGHTS MEANS RESPECTING THE RIGHT TO SAY YES, AND WE DO NOT LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE — [ Talking simultaneously ]>>Elizabeth May: FREE INFORMED CONSENT IS THE REASON — FREE, PRIOR CONSENT?>>UNANIMITY.>>Elizabeth May: WE SIGNED ON IN THE UNITED NATIONS DECLARATION OF RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE THE GOVERNMENT UNDER JUSTIN TRUDEAU SAID — [ Talking simultaneously ] PASSED IT IN PARLIAMENT.>>Moderator: LET ME JUMP AHEAD TO THE NEXT QUESTION. THE SPIN THAT MODERATORS DREAD JUST HAPPENED. YOU STARTED DEBATING MY NEXT QUESTION BEFORE I HAD A CHANCE TO ASK IT. JAGMEET SINGH. BILL 262. YOUR COLLEAGUE SAGANASH SPENT THE LAST MONTH PROMOTING THIS BILL WHICH CALLED FOR CANADIAN LAWS TO BE BROUGHT INTO CONFORMITY WITH THE UNITED NATIONS’ DECLARATION OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. THAT BILL DIED IN THE SENATE BECAUSE OF CONSERVATIVE OPPOSITION. BASICALLY LET’S KEEP GOING WITH THIS DEBATE. BEYOND THE SYMBOLISM OF THAT BILL, HOW WOULD IT IMPROVE THE DAILY LIVES OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE?>>Jagmeet Singh: IT’S A PRETTY TRANSFORMATIVE PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT WE SHOULD TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT AS EQUAL PARTNERS. IT’S SOMETHING WE HAVEN’T SEEN BY MR. TRUDEAU. IN FACT, MR. SCHEER ALLUDE TODAY IT. I WANT TO JUST SPELL IT OUT. I WENT TO GRASSY NARROWS. THIS IS A COMMUNITY SURROUNDED BY LAKES AND RIVERS, A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY SURROUNDED BY WATER AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE WAKE UP EVERY DAY AND LOOK AT THOSE LAKES AND RIVERS KNOWING THAT THOSE LAKES AND RIVERS ARE POISONED BY MERCURY. NOW PEOPLE WHO ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE POISONING OF THEIR WATER, WHO SUFFER THE IMPACTS OF MERCURY POISONING WHICH RESULTS IN SHAKES AND DIZZINESS, THEY LIVE IN THAT WITH THAT THREAT. SOME OF THOSE ACTIVISTS WENT TO A PRIVATE FUNDRAISER AND BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WE SAW THE REAL JUSTIN TRUDEAU. WHAT HE DID WAS HE MOCKED ACTIVISTS WHO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT POISONED WATER. HE MOCKED THEM, MADE FUN OF THEM AND THEN PEOPLE CLAPPED AND APPLAUDED. THAT IS WHAT YOU GET WITH MR. TRUDEAU. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT DESERVE JUSTICE AND FAIRNESS AND THAT’S WHY I WOULD IMPLEMENT THE DECLARATION. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY I WOULD ASSURE THAT CLEAN DRINKING WATER, CLEAN HOMES, ACCESS TO EDUCATION ARE A RIGHT. WE WOULD ESTABLISH THAT.>>Moderator: MR. SCHEER, ON THE DECLARATION ON THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.>>Andrew Scheer: AGAIN THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROVISION. THERE ARE MANY LAUDABLE GOALS WITHIN THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION. MANY THINGS THAT THE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT WILL SUPPORT, THAT I WILL SUPPORT AS PRIME MINISTER BUT WE CANNOT CREATE A SYSTEM IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE ONE GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS, ONE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY CAN HOLD HOSTAGE LARGE PROJECTS THAT EMPLOY SO MANY INDIGENOUS CANADIANS. MINING FOR EXAMPLE IS THE SINGLE LARGEST EMPLOYER FOR I THINK INDIGENOUS CANADIANS. WITH THIS BILL IS IMPLEMENTED, WE WILL SEE THE COMPLETE BLOCKAGES OF LARGE PROJECTS — [ Talking simultaneously ] TYPES OF PROSPERITY.>>Jagmeet Singh: THAT’S NOT TRUE.>>Andrew Scheer: 37 PARTNERSHIPS AGREEMENTS SIGNED WITH THE NORTHERN GATEWAY PIPELINE PROJECT. THERE ARE MANY INDIGENOUS CANADIANS WHO WILL BENEFIT FROM TRANS MOUNTAIN. YES PEOPLE WHO OPPOSED IT BUT WE DO NOT LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE — UNCAN — WHERE ANY ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE –>>Elizabeth May: YOU ARE MISSING THE FACT THAT SECTION 35 OF THE CONSTITUTION ALREADY AS INTERPRETED BY THE COURTS GOES ALMOST ALL THE WAY TO [ Talking simultaneously ] UNITED NATIONS RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. CONSULTING IS NOT — I WILL CONSULT WITH YOU UNTIL YOU AGREE WITH WHAT WE’VE ALREADY DECIDED TO DO. THAT’S NOT CONSULTATION. IT’S WHAT TRUDEAU THINKS IS CONSULTATION. OBVIOUSLY WHAT YOU THINK IS CONSULTATION BUT IT HAS TO BE FREE, PRIOR INFORMED CONSENT.>>Moderator: IT IS TRUE, MR. SCHEER, THE JUDGES — JUDGE IN THE TRANS MOUNTAIN DECISION LAST YEAR SAID THAT A DUTY TO CONSULT DOESN’T MEAN WAITING UNTIL THE PEOPLE YOU’RE CULLING STOP TALKING AND YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT.>>Andrew Scheer: YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THE JUDGES AND COURT DECISIONS ON THIS HAVE BEEN CLEAR. THE DUTY TO CONSULT MEANS REAL CONSULTATIONS. IT MEANS DINE NICK CONSULTATIONS. WE SAW THE TRUDEAU LIBERALS FAILED TO DO THAT PROPERLY.>>Elizabeth May: WE SAW THE HARPER CONSERVATIVES FAIL TO DO IT TOO.>>Andrew Scheer: NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ANY ONE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY OR ANOTHER CAN HOLD UP PROJECTS IF THEY HAPPEN TO DISAGREE WITH IT. WE HAVE TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE WE CAN HAVE THE TYPES OF FROM INVESTORS TO BUILD THINGS TO GET PEOPLE WORKING. THE ONLY WAY TO BUILD PROSPERITY FOR INDIGENOUS CANADIANS.>>Jagmeet Singh: FIRST OF ALL YOU USED LANGUAGE LIKE HOLD HOSTAGE. I MEAN THAT’S JUST INCREDIBLY DISRESPECTFUL.>>Andrew Scheer: TELL THAT TO DOZENS OF COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE — [ Talking simultaneously ]>>Jagmeet Singh: SIR, I LISTENED TO YOU.>>Moderator: JAGMEET SINGH, YOU’VE –>>Jagmeet Singh: HE’S TALKING AS IF HE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THE REALITY. IF YOU DON’T HAVE COMMUNITIES BUYING IN, PROJECTS WON’T GO AHEAD MUCH IT’S A MATTER OF RESPECT AND DIGNITY. WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY. IT’S IN FACT BETTER FOR BUSINESS IF WE ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO WORK. WE’RE GOING TO WORK WITH COMMUNITIES AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY FEEL ENGAGED, INVOLVED AND, YES, THAT MEANS THEY CAN SAY NO AND YES THAT ALSO MEANS THEY CAN SAY YES. WORK TOGETHER AND PARTNERSHIP IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD. WE CAN’T HAVE MR. SCHEER RAM PROJECTS THROUGH. [ Talking simultaneously ] SO PLEASE –>>Andrew Scheer: WHAT HAPPENS IF ONE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY SAYS NO?>>Elizabeth May: WE’RE TALKING GROUPS. THE LANGUAGE YOU USE, ANDREW, SHOWS NO RESPECT.>>Moderator: DOES THE CONSERVATIVE LEADER NOT HAVE A POINT? IS THERE NOT DIVISION AMONG NATIVE NATIONS OVER SOME OF THESE PROJECTS?>>Elizabeth May: FIRST TO SAY THAT WHEN ANDREW TRIES TO DEFLECT THE REASONS THAT THEY STOPPED THE ACCEPTANCE OF UNITED NATIONS RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE AND IGNORING THE SECTION 35 REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, HE THREW IT TRUDEAU DID WRONG ON TRANS MOUNTAIN. OK, HARPER DID IT WRONG ON ENBRIDGE. SAME THING. WE HAVE GOVERNMENTS THAT THINK THAT CONSULTATION IS TO KEEP TALKING AT INDIGENOUS NATIONS UNTIL — AND GROUPS UNTIL THEY AGREE. NOW IN THE CONTEXT OF TERRITORIAL RECOGNITION, YOU CAN’T TREAT INDIGENOUS CANADIANS AS THOUGH THEY WERE AN INTEREST GROUP OR A LOBBY. THE RIGHTS THAT THEY HAVE IN THE CONSTITUTION AND WHICH WE AS FEDERAL LEADERS HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT EVEN UNDER SECTION 35, MUCH LESS UNDER UNDRIP, REQUIRE A ROOTEDNESS IN TERRITORY. SO THE TERRITORY OF THE SQUAMISH AND MUSQUEAM AND SILLTOOTH WILL GO ON — A SINGLE ONE.>>Moderator: LET’S MOVE ON BECAUSE WE WILL BE SPENDING A WHOLE BLOCK LATER TALKING ABOUT PIPELINES. SO I WANT TO GO TO MY LAST QUESTION ON INDIGENOUS ISSUES SPECIFICALLY AND THAT QUESTION IS FOR ELIZABETH MAY OF THE GREEN PARTY. MS. MAY NINTERVIEWS YOU HAVE SUGGESTED THAT IF SNC-LAVALIN WERE FOUND GUILTY ON CORRUPTION CHARGES THE COMPANY SHOULD BE ORDERED BY A COURT TO PERFORM COMMUNITY SERVICE BY REPAIRING WATER INFRASTRUCTURE ON RESERVES. DID YOU MEAN THAT AS A SERIOUS PROPOSAL? AND IF YOU DIDN’T WHAT’S YOUR REAL POLICY FOR IMPROVING ON RESERVE INFRASTRUCTURE?>>Elizabeth May: OF COURSE OUR POLICY ON ON-RESERVE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THAT EVERY FIRST NATION AND EVERY INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE DRINKABLE WATER AND THAT’S A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO THE CONNECTION TO FIRST NATIONS AROUND MY APPROACH FOR SNC-LAVALIN IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF WHAT COULD BE DONE. LET’S BE CLEAR. SNC-LAVALIN NEEDS TO GO TO COURT. THE D.P.A. AGREEMENT IS STILL HANGING OUT THERE AND AFTER THE ELECTION WHETHER IT’S A KIFB CONSERVATIVE OR LIBERAL SITTING IN THE P.M.O., THEY ARE ALL RIDDLED FROM INFLUENCE FROM SNC-LAVALIN. SNC-LAVALIN HAD ITS TENTACLES RIGHT INTO THE CIVIL SERVICE AT THE MOST SENIOR LEVEL IN A WAY THAT REQUIRES AN INQUIRY. WHAT DO YOU DO TO PROTECT THE WORKERS? THAT’S JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S EXCUSE. PROTECT THE WORKERS. THE CORPORATION HAS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF EXISTING CONTRACTS. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT JOBS ARE AT STAKE. BUT IF YOU WANTED TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING CREATIVE WHICH COULD NOT BE GREEN PARTY POLICY, IT WOULD BE UP TO A JUDGE TO SAY I WOULD LIKE TO ORDER THIS COMPANY TO DO COMMUNITY SERVICE, DOT WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, MAYBE IN TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE DOWNTOWN. MAYBE FIXING THE WATER LINE UNDER THE FRASER RIVER FROM MISSION B.C. WHICH IF IT’S 38 YEARS OLD IT’S ALREADY SHOWING CRACKS. SOMEONE HAS TO PAY TO DO THAT WORK. WHY NOT MAKE SNC-LAVALIN DO IT BUT NO PROFIT. NO PROFIT LINE IN THE WORK THEY DO.>>Moderator: MR. SINGH, YOUR M.P.s WERE QUITE CRITICAL OF THIS IDEA.>>Jagmeet Singh: IT IT’S A BIT LOSE — LUDICROUS TO SUGGEST WE SHOULD BE BUILDING PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGH PUNISHMENT OF A MULTIBILLION-DOLLAR CORPORATION IS A LUDICROUS IDEA. WE SHOULD BE BUILDING PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGH PUBLIC DOLLARS. WE SHOULD BE INVESTING IN NOT P3s WHERE PROFIT IS THE MOTIVE BUT WHERE WE PUBLICLY OWN –>>Elizabeth May: I TOOK THE PROFIT OUT OF T.THAT’S THE WHOLE PROPOSAL.>>Jagmeet Singh: WE SHOULDN’T BE PROPOSING THAT A PRIVATE COMPANY DO IT THAT WAY.>>Elizabeth May: WHO DO YOU THINK BUILDS INFRASTRUCTURE ON FIRST NATIONS?>>Jagmeet Singh: WE SHOULD HAVE A PUBLIC TENDER AND PUBLIC TENDER SHOULD BE PROVIDED THE SERVICES.>>Elizabeth May: BUT IT GOES TO PRIVATE CORPORATIONS, PUBLIC TENDER.>>Jagmeet Singh: NOBODY WOULD EVER SUGGEST IN A CITY LIKE TORONTO THAT IF THE WATER WAS NOT CLEAN THAT WE WOULD ASK A CORPORATION AS PUNISHMENT TO CLEAN T.WE WOULD CLEAN THE WATER. I MEAN PEOPLE ACROSS THIS COUNTRY DESERVE CLEAN WATER.>>Elizabeth May: YOUR M.P. ISSUED, ON YOUR LETTERHEAD, N.D.P. ISSUED A PRESS RELEASE THAT WAS A FAT, BIG FAT LIE CLAIMED THEY WANTED TO PRIVATIZE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. THE GREEN PARTY DOESN’T SUPPORT P3s. THE GREEN PARTY IS AGAINST PRIVATIZING — [ Talking simultaneously ] FULLY AGAINST IT.>>Jagmeet Singh: YOU CAN JUST ACCEPT IT WAS A BAD IDEA.>>Elizabeth May: IT CERTAINLY WAS MISINTERPRETED AND IT’S NOT POLICY OF THE GREEN PARTY.>>Andrew Scheer: YOU STARTED OFF THE QUESTION ON A VERY TOPICAL NOTE AND THAT IS JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S CORRUPTION SCANDAL AS IT RELATES TO SNC-LAVALIN AND THE FACT THAT HE BROKE THE LAW, HE IS THE ONLY PRIME MINISTER THAT HAS EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF BREAKING THE LAW AND HE LIED ABOUT IT AND NOW WE FIND OUT THAT THE RCMP IS LOOKING INTO THIS CASE WITH THE VIEW TO POSSIBLE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE CHARGES, AND HE IS OBSTRUCTING THEIR ATTEMPTS TO GET THE TRUTH. SO I WANT TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO AGAIN CALL ON JUSTIN TRUDEAU TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND WAIVE FULL CABINET PRIVILEGE AND CABINET CONFIDENCE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO TESTIFY TO THE RCMP SO WE CAN GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS.>>Elizabeth May: DON’T YOU AGREE WITH ME WE NEED A FULL INQUIRY? AN RCMP INQUIRY IS INTERNAL. I THINK WE NEED THE EQUIVALENT OF A GOMERY INQUIRY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET CORPORATE INFLUENCE OUT OF GOVERNMENT. SNC-LAVALIN IS NOT THE ONLY LARGE TRANS NATIONALE. YOU GET PEOPLE IN P.M.O. AND P.C.O. –>>Jagmeet Singh: ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THAT’S WHAT WE STARTED WITH WHEN WE FIRST WERE ASKED THE QUESTION. THERE SHOULD BE A PUBLIC INQUIRY. WHETHER WE HAVE MR. TRUDEAU IN GOVERNMENT AND A LIBERAL GOVERNMENT OR MR. SCHEER IN GOVERNMENT AT THE END OF THE DAY BOTH THESE PARTIES, THEY CONTINUE TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE RICH TO GET AHEAD. THAT’S THEIR PRIORITY. SO IT WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN MUCH DIFFERENT, THE P.M.O.’s OFFICE IF THERE WAS A MR. SCHEER OFFICE WOULD HAVE GOT THE CALL DIRECTLY FROM S.N.C.. ALL THE WEALTHIEST CORPORATIONS KNOW — [ Talking simultaneously ] THAT’S NOT TRUE AND YOU KNOW IT.>>Andrew Scheer: DONATES TO –>>Jagmeet Singh: OR THEY DONATE TO LIBERALS. [ Talking simultaneously ]>>Elizabeth May: SNC-LAVALIN NEVER ASKED TO MEET ME.>>Moderator: THERE’S A PRETTY SIMPLE TEST OF YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS S.N.C., MR. SCHEER. IF YOU BECOME PRIME MINISTER, WILL THE PUBLIC PROSECUTOR BE PERMITTED TO DECIDE WHETHER S.N.C. CONTINUES TO TRIAL?>>Andrew Scheer: ABSOLUTELY. THE CORE OF THIS ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE POWERFUL POLITICIANS GET TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND TELL PROSECUTORS HOW TO DO THEIR JOB.>>Moderator: OK.>>Andrew Scheer: THE WHOLE ROOT OF THIS IS THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU DIDN’T LIKE THE ANSWER THAT HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL GAVE HIM, SO HE FIRED HER. THAT IS A HUGE ATTACK ON THE INDEPENDENCE OF OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.>>Moderator: I COULD HEAR SO MANY PEOPLE SAYING RIGHT NOW THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT INDIGENOUS ISSUES SO I DO WANT TO ASK MR. SINGH, MR. SCHEER, MS. MAY IF THERE’S TIME BECAUSE YOU’VE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSING THE QUESTION, HOW DO YOU FIX DIRTY WATER ON INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES? IT’S AN INTRACTABLE PROBLEM, IT SEEMS.>>Jagmeet Singh: IT’S A HUGE PROBLEM. PAUL, I DON’T SEE HOW IN A COUNTRY AS WEALTHY AS OURS, IN THE YEAR 2019 WITH THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE, THAT THERE IS ANY EXCUSE FOR CLEAN DRINKING WATER NOT BEING AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY. I REJECT ANY EXCUSE. I REJECT ANY SORT OF PLAUSIBLE DENIAL THAT THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE. IT IS POSSIBLE. WE HAVE THE RESOURCES. WHAT WE’VE LACKED IS THE COURAGE TO DO SO. MR. TRUDEAU JUMPED QUICKLY TO GIVE $14 BILLION TO THE WEALTHIEST CORPORATIONS TO BUY CORPORATE JETS AND LIMOUSINES. HE JUMPED QUICKLY TO BUY A PIPELINE. IF THIS WAS A PRIORITY, IT WOULD HAVE GOT DONE. WITH NEW DEMOCRATS WE WOULD –>>Moderator: MR. SCHEER, SAME QUESTION.>>Andrew Scheer: THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE AND ONE THAT A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE SERIOUSLY. I WILL ABSOLUTELY ENSURE THAT I SIT DOWN WITH INDIGENOUS LEADERS TO FIND WAYS TO ADDRESS THIS. IT MEANS INVESTMENTS IN INFRASTRUCTURE ON RESERVE. IT ALSO MEANS TRAINING PEOPLE ON RESERVE TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN AND UPGRADE AND MANAGE THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES. THAT’S A PARTNERSHIP THAT I’M WILLING TO ENGAGE IN.>>Elizabeth May: STRAIGHT FORWARD. WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IN INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES NEEDS TO BE OWNED BY INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES AND THE WORKFORCE THAT KEEPS THAT SYSTEM WORKING NEEDS TO BE FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. THE OWNERSHIP WITH TOP-NOTCH EQUIPMENT WILL ENSURE THAT EVERY COMMUNITY HAS SAFE DRINKING WATER.>>Moderator: OK. THAT CONCLUDES OUR DISCUSSION OF INDIGENOUS ISSUES. I’LL BE BACK IN A MINUTE WITH THE LEADERS. BUT FOR LIVE REACTION AND A CHANCE TO JOIN THE CONVERSATION, HERE AGAIN IS “CityNews” HOST MELANIE NG.>>Melanie: THANK YOU SO MUCH, PAUL. YES, A LOT OF PEOPLE CHIMING IN RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY ON TWITTER. I WANT TO BRING OUT THE RESULTS FOR OUR TWITTER POLL WE PUT OUT ABOUT 20 MINUTES AGO. OF THE FOUR DEBATE TOPICS WE WILL BE DISCUSSING TONIGHT WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE TO YOU? OVERWHELMINGLY THERE ARE TWO, THE ECONOMY AT 52% AND ENERGY AND THE ENVIRONMENT AT 38%. FOREIGN POLICY AND INDIGENOUS ISSUES AT 6 AND 5 RESPECTIVELY. YOU CAN CONTINUE TO CHIME IN ON THIS POLL. MEANWHILE, ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ASKING WHERE IS JUSTIN TRUDEAU? HE IS IN FACT IN EDMONTON IN A RIDING THAT HE IS HOPING TO TAKE FROM THE N.D.P. SO THIS IS JUST SOME VIDEO FROM HIM PREVIOUSLY ON IN THE EVENING. TO TALK MORE ABOUT THIS AND SHOW YOU SOME MORE HIGHLIGHTS COMING UP MEANWHILE I WANT TO BRING IN ANOTHER POLL FOR YOU AND THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE VIA FACEBOOK. THIS IS HOW YOU CAN CHIME IN. DOES A LEADERS’ DEBATE PERFORMANCE AFFECT HOW YOU VOTE OR LACK THEREOF? BECAUSE WE’RE NOT SEEING JUSTIN TRUDEAU HERE. HAVE YOUR SAY. WE’RE GOING TO PUT THIS ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE RIGHT NOW. MEANWHILE LIVE TO COURTNEY THERIAULT IN INOK CREE NATION JUST OUTSIDE OF EDMONTON SPEAKING WITH FIRST NATIONS CHIEFS.>>Courtney: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MELANIE. WE ARE HERE ON TREATY 6 LAND WITH THE CHIEFS FROM THE ALEXIS DAKOTA SUE, ERMSKIN AND FOG LAKE AS WELL AS THE GRAND CHIEF. WE’RE GOING TO DO THE LIGHTNING ROUND. THERE’S A LOT TO CHEW ON HERE. WE’LL GET TO THAT A LITTLE LATER ON IN THE POST DEBATE SHOW. LIGHTNING ROUND, WHO IMPRESSED YOU THE MOST THROUGHOUT THE INDIGENOUS PORTION OF THIS DEBATE AND HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE IT IN A WORD OR TWO?>>COURTNEY, THIS WAS — THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ELECTION AND THE FIRST NATION PEOPLE NEED TO — INDIGENOUS PEOPLE NEED TO PARTICIPATE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE’RE CATCHING UP ON INFORMATION, PARTICIPATING IN THE TALKS AND WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO GET OUT AND VOTE.>>Courtney: WHO DO YOU THINK? WHO IMPRESSED YOU?>>NONE REALLY. MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS YOU CAN’T — CHICKEN DROPPINGS NO MATTER HOW YOU STIR IT. IT’S THE SAME STUFF THAT’S BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS. THERE’S NOTHING ABOUT EQUAL RESOURCING OF NATIVE COMMUNITIES.>>Courtney: WE DO HAVE TO HURRY UP. BILLY, YOUR THOUGHTS. I THINK AS OPPOSED TO A WINNER I THINK THERE’S A LOSER AND THAT’S MR. SCHEER WHO CAN’T GIVE A STRAIGHT-UP ANSWER TO A STRAIGHT UP QUESTIONS. IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF RHETORIC.>>Courtney: GRAND CHIEF LITTLECHILD.>>YES LIKELY IN A SIMILAR VEIN, I’M NOT IMPRESSED BY ANY OF THEM. IN FACT, I’M VERY UNIMPRESSED BY MR. SCHEER CONTINUING TO MISREPRESENT WHAT THE U.N. DECLARATION MEANS.>>Courtney: ALL RIGHT. WE ARE CUTTING TIME. WHO DO YOU THINK MOST IMPRESSED YOU REAL QUICKLY, GENTLEMEN?>>I GUESS FOR MYSELF IT WOULD BE ELIZABETH MAY. BUT THEN I’M MORE INTERESTED IN JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S SPEECH, SEE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY.>>Courtney: CHIEF, REAP QUICK.>>I WOULD LIKE TO SAY N.D.P. SINGH JUST BECAUSE HE TOUCHED ON SOME VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO US, INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.>>Courtney: ALL RIGHT. JUST A TASTE OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE WILL CONTINUE A LITTLE BIT LATER ON POST-DEBATE HERE ON THE “CityNews” MACLEAN’S DEBATE. RIGHT NOW THOUGH WE’RE GOING TO TURN THINGS OVER TO CYNTHIA WHO’S BACK WITH OUR POLITICAL ANALYST PANEL.>>Cynthia: THAT’S RIGHT, COURTNEY. I HAVE SOME GREAT POLITICAL MINDS AT THIS TABLE WITH ME. AMANDA GALBRAITH A PRINCIPAL. YOU’VE ALSO WORKED WITH CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENTS. ANDRAY DOMISE CONTRIBUTINGS EDITOR TO MACLEAN’S. LISA KINSELLA. YOU ARE A LIBERAL COMMENTATOR AND JOHN GEDDES WHO IS THE BUREAU CHIEF IN OTTAWA. JOHN, TWO OUT OF THE THREE LEADERS HERE IT’S THEIR FIRST DEBATE ON THE FEDERAL STAGE.>>YEAH, AND I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT DYNAMIC WE’RE SEEING SO FAR IS ANDREW SCHEER STARTING OUT HOPING TO PUSH THE FOCUS OFF THIS STUDIO AND OUT TO JUSTIN TRUDEAU. HE’D LIKE TO BE ATTACKING TRUDEAU BUT THEN JAGMEET SINGH BRINGING IN AT SCHEER MAKING IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO DO THAT. I THINK SO FAR JAGMEET SINGH IS DIRECTING A LOT OF THE FIRE AND DOING IT QUITE EFFECTIVELY. IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF ANDREW SCHEER CAN BRING IT BACK TO A DIFFERENT DYNAMIC LATER.>>Cynthia: LISA.>>I THINK THAT’S TRUE. I THINK JAGMEET SINGH IS DOING EXCEPTIONALLY WELL. HE HAD A JOB TO DO TONIGHT AND HE IS DOING IT.>>Cynthia: I’M SORRY. I HAVE TO CUT YOU OFF. ANDRAY?>>I HEARD A COUPLE CONCERNING THINGS. ANDREW SCHEER BELIEVES CANADA CAN VIOLATE TREATYS WITH UNSEATED FIRST NATIONS TERRITORIES. ELIZABETH MAY FLOATING THIS IDEA SHE’S GOING TO PUNISH SNC-LAVALIN SHOULD THEY BE CONVICTED OF A FELONY OR CRIME BY MAKING THEM DO COMMUNITY WORK IN FIRST NATIONS. IT’S — PLEASE STOP. JUST STOP.>>Cynthia: AMANDA, THE FINAL SAY.>>I THINK JAGMEET SINGH IS HOLDING HIS OWN. HE’S VERY CALM. I THINK SINGH IS A SURPRISE FOR ALL OF US. A LOT STRONGER, VERY SCRAPPY. I THINK ELIZABETH MAY IS PROVING WHY HER PARTY SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A CAMPAIGN [ Unclear ] SOMETIMES. [ Laughter ]>>Cynthia: ON THAT NOTE, BACK TO THE DEBATE AND PAUL WELLS.>>Moderator: FOUR YEARS AGO, DESPITE ITS EXTRAORDINARY RESOURCE WEALTH, CANADA WAS STRUGGLING TO GET PIPELINES BUILT AND DESPITE ALL THE HEADLINES ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE, THE COUNTRY SEEMED UNLIKELY TO HIT ITS TARGETS FOR EMISSION CUTS. TODAY, ALL OF THAT IS STILL TRUE. OUR NEXT TOPIC OF CONVERSATION IS ENERGY AND THE ENVIRONMENT. SETTING THE STAGE FOR US, “CityNews” REPORTER TARA OVERHOLT.>>Tara: THE FEDERAL CARBON TAX.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: WE PUT A PRICE ON POLLUTION BECAUSE IT SHOULDN’T BE FREE TO POLLUTE ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY! [ Applause and cheering ]>>I THINK IT’S A GREAT IDEA.>>Tara: ANGER IN OTHERS.>>EXCEPTIONALLY STUPID IDEA. [ Horn sounding ]>>Tara: AND CREATE A DEEP — CREATED DEEP POLITICAL DIVISIONS.>>WE CANNOT AFFORD THE RISK OF A CARBON TAX RECESSION.>>TO SCRAP THE CARBON TAX CASH GRAB.>>IT’S THE CORNERSTONE OF STRATEGY TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. BUT COMPLICATING THE GOVERNMENT’S GOAL OF FOSTERING A GREEN-FRIENDLY IMAGE, STARK REALITY OF CANADA’S ECONOMY. FOURTH LARGEST EXPORTER OF CRUDE OIL IN THE WORLD. MILLIONS OF TAX DOLLARS NOW INVESTED IN PIPELINES AND MORE THAN 800,000 CANADIAN JOBS LINKED TO ENERGY. IN CALGARY, I MET WITH JUST A FEW OF THOSE WORKERS WHO HAVE SEEN THE GOOD TIMES DRY UP.>>FOR ALL OF US HERE WHO HAVE WATCHED OUR FRIEND STRUGGLE, MAYBE BE OUT OF WORK FOR NUMEROUS YEARS OR STRUGGLE TO FIND MEANINGFUL WORK, THEY’RE UNDEREMPLOYED IF THEY ARE EMPLOYED, IT’S SOMETHING THAT’S VERY, VERY PERSONAL AND VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.>>Tara: ALL THREE FEEL THAT THE INDUSTRY IS MISUNDERSTOOD BY MANY CANADIANS AND UNDERSUPPORTED BY THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT.>>THE LACK OF ENERGY KNOWLEDGE IS REALLY HURTING THE COUNTRY. THE IMPORTANCE OF IT AND THE DIFFICULTY OF WHICH IT’S GOING TO BE TO CONVERT TO A DIFFERENT ENERGY SYSTEM. PEOPLE JUST DON’T SEEM TO GRASP THE MAGNITUDE OF THAT. YOU NEED A PLAN. YOU NEED TO THINK THIS OUT.>>Tara: RECENT ANGUS REID POLL HIGHLIGHTS THE CHALLENGE. CANADIANS WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO MAKE CLIMATE CHANGE AND OIL AND GAS DEVELOPMENT TOP PRIORITIES.>>I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT ECONOMY. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT ENERGY. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT EVEN WITHIN THE ENERGY INDUSTRY. WE DON’T TALK ENOUGH ABOUT HOW MOST OF US ARE SO INFORMED AND SO — WE CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT.>>I DO THINK WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO FIND A BALANCED CONVERSATION AND REUNIFY THE COUNTRY.>>Moderator: THE FIRST QUESTION ON ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENT GOES TO JAGMEET SINGH OF THE N.D.P. MR. SING, AFTER YOUR PARTY LOST A BY-ELECTION TO THE GREENS IN NANAIMO THIS SPRING, YOUR CANDIDATE SVEND ROBINSON CALLED ON TO YOU SUPPORT YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE LNG MEGA PROJECT, $40 MILLION PROJECT WITH HUNDREDS OF JOBS ATTACHED TO IT ALSO HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED BY JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S GOVERNMENT AND BY BRITISH COLUMBIA’S N.D.P. GOVERNMENT. DO YOU STILL SUPPORT IT?>>Jagmeet Singh: WHAT I SUPPORT IS THE FACT THAT BRITISH COLUMBIA IS A PROVINCE THAT’S ONE OF THE BEST CLIMATE ACTION PLANS IN THE COUNTRY, ONE OF THE BEST CLIMATE ACTION PLANS IN CANADA. AND THEY’VE MADE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THEY DO IS GOING TO FIT WITHIN THEIR BOLD CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND I SUPPORT THAT. WHAT I DON’T SUPPORT IS MR. TRUDEAU AND HIS GOVERNMENT WHO HAS ABSOLUTELY NO PLAN TO INCLUDE SOMETHING LIKE THE TRANS MOUNTAIN INTO THEIR PROJECTS. IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO INDIGENOUS NATIONS THAT THEY HAVEN’T CONSIDERED THE POTENTIAL RISK TO THE BEAUTIFUL COASTLINE IN B.C. ONE SPILL OF A DILUTED OIL BITUMEN COULD RESULT IN MASSIVE DEVASTATION. I THINK ABOUT WHAT’S AT STAKE. WE KNOW THAT WE’VE GOT TO MOVE TO AN ECONOMY THAT IS ZERO EMISSION. THAT IS THE FUTURE. WE KNOW WE’VE GOT TO GO THERE. REMEMBER A MOM THAT I MET WHO TOLD ME SHE WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE AND I ASKED HER WHY. SHE SAID I’M WORRIED ABOUT CLIMATE CRISIS. SHE HAD A BABY IN HER ARMS. SHE SAID I’M WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE BECAUSE I’M WORRIED IF MY DAUGHTER WILL BE ABLE TO BREATHE THE AIR SOME DAYS IN BRITISH COLUMBIA BECAUSE OF THE MASSIVE FOREST FIRES. WE HAVE A REAL CRISIS. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE COURAGE TO ACT.>>Moderator: IF YOU FORM GOVERNMENT, IF YOU HAVE THE DECIDING VOTE IN A MINORITY GOVERNMENT THAT LNG PROJECT GOES AHEAD BECAUSE THE N.D.P. GOVERNMENT IN B.C. WANTS IT.>>Jagmeet Singh: WE HAVE IMMEDIATELY END ALL FOSSIL FUEL SUBSIDIES. WE BELIEVE THOSE FOSSIL FUEL SUBSIDIES NEED TO BE ENDED AND WE NEED TO BE INVESTING INTO CLEAN ENERGY. THAT WOULD BE OUR COMMITMENT.>>Moderator: ANDREW SCHEER, YOU GET THE FIRST RESPONSE.>>Andrew Scheer: IT’S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE THAT THE N.D.P. DON’T SUPPORT DEVELOPING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES. NEITHER DO THE TRUDEAU LIBERALS. HIS CARBON TAX HAS NOT PUT A PRICE ON POLLUTION. IT HAS GIVEN A MASSIVE EXEMPTION TO THE COUNTRY’S LARGEST EMITTERS. LARGE EMITTERS CAN RECEIVE AN EXEMPTION OF UP TO 90% OF THE CARBON TAX. BUT HARD-WORKING INDIVIDUALS PAY THE FULL COST, AS DO SMALL AND MEDIUM SIZED BUSINESSES. AS IT RELATES TO THE LNG PLAN, THE ONLY REASON WHY IT WAS ALLOWED TO PROCEED WAS BECAUSE IT WAS GIVEN AN EXEMPTION FROM THE CARBON TAX. THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET BIG PROJECTS BUILT IN THIS COUNTRY IS WHEN THE LIBERALS DON’T APPLY THEIR OWN POLICIES. EVERYBODY CONSERVATIVES I SUPPORT LNG PROJECTS THAT GET OUR NATURAL RESOURCES TO FOREIGN MARKETS THAT ALSO DISPLACE DIRTIER FOREIGN SOURCES OF ENERGY. WE COULD DO MORE TO LOWER GLOBAL EMISSIONS BY EXPORTING MORE OF WHAT CANADA DOES SO WELL.>>Moderator: MS. MAY.>>Elizabeth May: WE HAVE TO MOVE AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUELS AS RAPIDLY AS POSSIBLE. OUR POLICYS ARE SCIENCE DRIVEN AND I’M AFRAID NEITHER MR. SINGH NOR MR. SCHEER UNDERSTANDS NEITHER MR. TRUDEAU UNDERSTANDS CLIMATE SCIENCE. IF THEY UNDERSTOOD THE PERIL WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW AS A HUMAN FAMILY ON THIS PLANET, THE NEED TO HOLD TO 1.5° CELSIUS MEANS YOU CAN’T PROCEED WITH THE TRANS MOUNTAIN PIPELINE. YOU CAN’T PROCEED WITH LNG CANADA WHICH BY THE WAY ISN’T CANADIAN. IT’S OPENED BY MOSTLY MULTINATIONALS FROM ASIA INCLUDING PETRO CHINA. SO WHEN BILL MORNEAU GIVES THEM $1 BILLION IN TARIFF WAIVERS AND THEN THEY PUMP $220 MILLION INTO THE PROJECT AND THEY CLAIM THERE’S 10,000 JOBS, GUESS WHERE 5,500 OF THOSE JOBS ARE? IN THE FABRICATION PLANT IN CHINA. SO WE ARE SUBSIDIZING A PROJECT THAT WILL BLOW THROUGH OUR CARBON BUDGET WITH 125 MEGA TONNES OF ADDITIONAL CARBON. THAT’S 125 MILLION TONNES OF ADDITIONAL CARBON. IT DOESN’T MATTER HOW GOOD MR. HORGAN’S RHETORIC IS ON CLIMATE. THIS PROJECT IS A CLIMATE KILLER. THE JOBS THAT WE ARE SUBSIDIZING ARE BEING CREATED IN THE PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CHINA. IT SHOULD BE STOPPED.>>Moderator: WE HAVE A FAIR BIT OF TIME TO DISCUSS ALL OF THIS. I DO WANT TO OPEN UP A LITTLE PARENTHESIS AND ASK ABOUT THE TARIFF WAVER FOR CHINESE STEAL TO — STEEL TO BUILD THIS PROJECT. MR. SINGH, MR. SCHEER.>>Jagmeet Singh: WE’RE SEEING OUR OWEP OWN CANADIAN MANUFACTURING SECTORS ARE BEING HORRIBLY IMPACTED BY STEEL DUMPING, ESSENTIALLY FLOODING THE MARKET WITH STEEL THAT IS OF A LESSER QUALITY. THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESTRICTIONS AREN’T THERE. IT DISPLACES GOOD-PAYING QUALITY JOBS HERE IN CANADA. IT’S SOMETHING WE’VE GOT TO DO MUCH MORE TO ATTACK. WITHOUT ANY MEASURES TO CHALLENGE THE STEEL DUMPING, IT COULD SERIOUSLY CONTINUE TO THREATEN JOBS IN THE MANUFACTURING SECTOR FOR STEEL AND ALUMINUM HERE IN CANADA. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS DEEPLY CONCERNED WITH IS THAT MR. TRUDEAU COMPLETELY DISREGARDED THE STEEL TARIFFS THAT THREATENED A LOT OF JOBS, STEEL AND ALUMINUM TARIFFS, AND INSTEAD SIGNED AN AGREEMENT WITH A COUNTRY WHILE THEY STILL HAD ILLEGAL TARIFFS IMPOSED ON US. WE’VE GOT TO CHANGE OUR APPROACH TO MAKE SURE WE’VE GOT MANUFACTURING IN CANADA THAT’S STRONG, THAT’S SUPPORTED. THAT’S OUR COMMITMENT. [ Talking simultaneously ]>>Moderator: ON THE STEEL WAVERS.>>Andrew Scheer: I CAN AGREE WITH MR. SINGH TO SEE DONALD — JUSTIN TRUDEAU SIGN A DEAL WITH DONALD TRUMP AFTER CONCEDING SO MUCH WITHOUT GETTING A SOLUTION ON STEEL TARIFFS AND THEN WHEN IT FINALLY DID COME, IT STILL GAVE A LOT OF COMPLEXIBILITY TO PUT THOSE TARIFFS BACK IN. AS IT RELATES TO LNG THE REASON WHY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE EXPLANATION WE WERE GIVEN BY THESE LIBERALS, ON THE SUBSIDYS THAT THEY GAVE THE PROJECT WAS TO COMPENSATE FOR THE DIFFERENTIAL ON STEEL AND THEN THEY TURN AROUND AND LIFT THE TARIFFS ANYWAY. SO WE GOT THE WORST OF BOTH WORLDS. WE HAD TO PUT IN THE TAXPAYER MONEY TO COMPENSATE FOR T.THEN THE TARIFFS WERE LIFTED AND CHINESE STEEL WAS ABLE TO COME IN. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER POINT OF WEAKNESS ON JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S DEALING WITH OUR DIFFICULT SITUATION WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF CHINA. HE’S PUT MONEY INTO THE ASIAN INFRASTRUCTURE BANK BUILDING ROADS AND BRIDGES TO HELP THE GOVERNMENT OF CHINA EXPAND ITS INFLUENCE IN THE REGION AND HE’S TAKEN THIS MOVE ON THE STEEL TARIFFS AS IT RELATES TO LNG. ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE JUSTIN TRUDEAU CAN’T STAND UP FOR CANADIANS.>>Jagmeet Singh: WHEN IT COMES TO MANUFACTURING ONE OF THE THINGS WE PROPOSED, I WENT TO TO THUNDER BAY AND I MET WITH THE WORKERS WHO NO LONGER HAVE A JOB. MANY OF THEM RECEIVED LAYOFF NOTICES BECAUSE THEY COULDN’T CONTINUE TO PRODUCE THEIR AMAZING PRODUCTS IN BOMBARDIER IN THUNDER BAY. NOW AT THE SAME TIME CANADA SPENT $1 BILLION ON A CONTRACT TO BUY IN OUR PUBLICLY OWNED TRAIN SECTOR TO BUY TRAINS FROM A GERMAN COMPANY. I’VE SAID THAT THAT’S COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE. TO USE PUBLIC DOLLARS TO FUND OTHER COUNTRIES AND THEIR MANUFACTURING SECTORS IS IRRESPONSIBLE. WHAT I WOULD DO TO THOSE MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE WORKING IN THUNDER BAY, TO THE PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE IN CANADA, IS SAY THIS. IF WE’RE EVER SPENDING ANY PUBLIC DOLLARS, WE SHOULD SPEND THAT MONEY ON PROCUREMENT PROCESS THAT REQUIRES MADE-IN-CANADA CONTENT. THAT MEANS ENSURING THAT WE SUPPORT MANUFACTURING IN OUR COUNTRY, THAT WORKERS WHO WORK SO HARD HAVE A FUTURE WHERE THEY KNOW THEY CAN RELY ON INVESTMENTS BY CANADA TO SUPPORT MANUFACTURING IN CANADA.>>Andrew Scheer: I JUST WISH YOU SUPPORTED THE STEELWORKERS AT EVERETT STEEL IN REGINA THAT MAKE THE STEEL FOR PIPELINES. I JUST WISH YOU SUPPORTED THE STEELWORKERS IN HAMILTON WHO ALSO SELL PRODUCTS INTO THE ENERGY SECTOR. NO, YOU DON’T. THOSE JOBS WON’T EXIST IF WE DON’T HAVE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THIS COUNTRY. THAT’S JUST A SIMPLE FACT.>>Jagmeet Singh: YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THE REALITY WE’VE GOT TO MAKE BETTER DECISIONS. [ Talking simultaneously ] WORKERS –>>Moderator: MOVE ALONG. THANK YOU. TO THE SECOND QUESTION WHICH GOES TO ELIZABETH MAY. MS. MAY APILLAR OF YOUR PLAN TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE IS TO RETROFIT EVERY SINGLE BUILDING IN CANADA TO MAKE THEM ALL CARBON NEUTRAL IN JUST TEN YEARS. THE ECONOMIST ANDREW LEACH SAYS THAT MEANS GETTING 7 MILLION HOMES OFF NATURAL GAS OR HEATING OIL AND THAT BOTH ELECTRICITY AND HOUSING STOCK ARE MATTERS OF PROVINCIAL JURISDICTION. HOW FAR DO YOU PLAN TO GET WITH THIS WORKING WITH JAY SOB KENNY AND DOUG FORD IN IMPLEMENTING YOUR AUDITIONS PLAN?>>Elizabeth May: LET’S MAKE IT CLEAR THE OBJECTIVE COULD BE AUDACIOUS. IT COULD ALSO BE ESSENTIAL. IF WE ARE DRIVEN BY SKINS — AND WE REALLY DON’T HAVE A LOT OF CHOICE HERE. YOU CAN’T NEGOTIATE WITH PHYSICS. THERE’S A CARBON BUDGET AND OUR ATMOSPHERE IS AT A POINT WHERE NO OTHER PARTY SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND THIS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE GENTLEMEN ON STAGE WITH ME. NO OTHER PARTY HAS PUT FORWARD A PLAN THAT COPS REMOTELY NEAR WHAT WE’RE REQUIRED TO DO AND THE DOWN SIDES AREN’T ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS. THIS ISSUE STILL IS MISREPRESENTED AS THOUGH WE’RE WORRIED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT. WORRIED ABOUT THE SURVIVAL OF HUMAN CIVILIZATION THROUGH THE LIFETIME OF OUR CHILDREN BECAUSE IF WE GO ABOVE 1.5° CELSIUS GLOBAL AVERAGE TEMPERATURE INCREASE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE INCREASE OF RUNAWAY GLOBAL WARMING, OF SELF-ACCELERATING, UNSTOPPABLE CATASTROPHIC CHANGES WHICH NO CIVILIZATION CAN SURVIVE SO YES WE CAN DO THIS. IT’S ALL HANDS ON DECK. I BELIEVE THOSE WHO ARE RECALCITRANT AT THIS POINT CAN BE PERSUADED BY THE SCIENCE AND IF THEY’RE NOT PERSUADED BY THE SCIENCE WE WORK WITH THE MUNICIPAL ORDER OF GOVERNMENT WHERE THEY TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE AND THE PROVINCES THAT WANT TO AND, BY THE WAY, TO OUR FRIENDS BACK AT ROTARY, WE NEED TO CALL OUT TO CANADIAN CIVIL SOCIETY. WHO WANTS TO PUT A SOLAR PANEL ON YOUR OWN ROOF? WHO WANTS TO PLANT A GARDEN? PLANT TREES.>>Moderator: YOUR ARGUMENT IS THAT NO OTHER PARTY AND NO CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RECENTLY HAS OPERATED WITH THE KIND OF AMBITION THAT THE SCALE OF THE CHALLENGE REQUIRES?>>Elizabeth May: CORRECT.>>Moderator: IS THERE A GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD THAT IS STEPPING UP?>>Elizabeth May: SWEDEN, COSTA RICA, DENMARK. THE U.K.’s DONE WAY MORE THAN THAT. MOST OF THE INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRIES ALREADY FAR BELOW 1909 LEVELS. WE’RE STILL FAR ABOVE THEM. WE’RE REQUIRED GLOBALLY TO GO 45% BELOW 2010 LEVELS BY ’23. THAT’S A TOUGH CHALLENGE. IT’S NOT BUSINESS AS USUAL. IT’S NOT POLITICS AS USUAL. THAT’S WHY I’VE WRITTEN TO BOTH JAGMEET AND YOU AND JUSTIN TO SAY WE NEED INTERIOR CABINET THAT FOCUSES ONLY ON THIS BECAUSE WE CAN’T STICK TO STATUS QUO DECISION MAKING AND SAVE OURSELVES AT THE SAME TIME.>>Moderator: I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS BUT MY PIECE OF PAPER SAYS JAGMEET SINGH’S CHANCE JAGMEET SINGH MADAME MAY AND I AGREE A LOT BUILDINGS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. CREATING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS. WE ENVISION 300,000 NEW JOBS. WE GREAT ON A LOT. THERE’S A COUPLE OF POINTS WE DISAGREE ON. THE GREEN PARTY AND NEW DEMOCRATS SHARE A LOT IN COMMON EXCEPT THE FOLLOWING FOUR POINTS. WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, WE HAVE A SOLID POSITION UNLIKE THE GREENS ON A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE. >>Elizabeth May: THAT’S NOT TRUE. >>Jagmeet Singh: WE STRONGLY BELIEVE WE SHOULD NOT BE PUTTING Mr. SCHEER IN THE PRIME MINISTER’S SEAT.>>Elizabeth May: THOSE ARE SERIOUS STATEMENTS. I’M AWFULLY SORRY. >>Moderator: I THINK WE’LL PARSE THAT.>>Andrew Scheer: I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE WERE RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE WITH JUSTIN TRUDEAU A FAILED APPROACH THAT HAS PROVEN NOTTO WORK. CO2 EMISSIONS ARE GOING UP AND CARBON TAX IS MAKING EVERYTHING MORE EXPENSIVE. WE’VE SEEN IN BRITISH COLUMBIA EMISSIONS GOING UP AND NATIONALLY WE’RE FALLING FURTHER ASK P FURTHER BEHIND. THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY’S PLAN HELPS MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE WHILE WE LOWER GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. I AGREE WITH MISS MAY. A TAX CREDIT THAT WILL ALLOW CANADIANS TO INVEST IN THEIR HOMES, UPGRADE FURNACE, REPLACE WINDOWS WHILE GETTING A GENEROUS TAX RECEIPT — >>Elizabeth May: EXCUSE ME. I’M SORRY — JAGMEET I HAD TO LISTEN TO YOUR ABSURDITIES, YOU’LL HAVE TO STOP NOW. I’M NOT GOING TO GO DOWN THE LITTLE RABBIT HOLE Mr. SINGH — WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A CARBON BUDGET. WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER IN THIS COUNTRY TO ENSURE THAT GLOBAL AVERAGE TEMPERATURE INCREASE DOES NOT GO ABOVE — Mr. TRUDEAU HAS KEPT Mr. HARPER’S TARGET. Mr. SCHEER WOULD KEEP THE TARGET. HALF OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. BY 2030 IS HALF OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND YOUR TARGET, JAGMEET, IS 38%. WE NEED TO REDUCE BY 60% IF WE’RE SERIOUS. IT’S NOT EASY BUT IT IS POSSIBLE. WE HAVE TO MARTIAL ALL OUR RESOURCES. WE WILL BE PUTTING MILLIONS TO PEOPLE TO WORK IN THIS COUNTRY, TRANSFORMING OUR ECONOMY AND GIVING OUR ECONOMY A BOOST THAT IT REALLY NEEDS IN NEW INVESTMENT. >>Andrew Scheer: YOU CAN’T ARGUE THE PHYSICS. DOES NOT NEED A PASSPORT TO TRAVEL AROUND THE WORLD. MY PLAN TALKS ABOUT TAKING THE CLIMATE CHANGE FIGHT GLOBAL. >>Elizabeth May: NO, OURS DOES.>>Andrew Scheer: LOWER GLOBAL EMISSIONS BY DOING MORE OF WHAT WE DO AT LOWER EMISSIONS RATES LIKE MAKING ALUMINUM. THERE ARE 3,000 ELECTRICAL PLNTS IN CHINA. IF JUST 100 OF THEM USED CANADIAN CARBON CAPTURE TECHNOLOGY WE COULD LOWER EMISSIONS — >>Elizabeth May: BUT THE PROBLEM IS YOU DON’T HAVE A TARGET. IF YOU DON’T HAVE A PLAN — >>Andrew Scheer: — TAKING THE CLIMATE CHANGE — >>Jagmeet Singh: THERE’S A WAY TO DO BOTH — >>Moderator: ONE FINAL ROUND — I HAVE A QUESTION FOR Mr. SCHEER. BUT I WANT TO ASK, WE’RE GETTING INTO TERRITORY OF WHO COULD FORM AN ACCEPTABLE GOVERNMENT IN THE EYES OF THOSE PARTIES THAT MIGHT GET TO CHOOSE THAT. MS. MAY, YOU SAID YOU WOULD NOT SUPPORT A — >>Elizabeth May: THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID. I’M SORRY, I KNOW HOW THESE PARLIAMENTARY NEGOTIATIONS GO. I HAVE COLLEAGUES IN GREEN PARTIES THAT HAVE SERVED IN CABINETS AROUND THE WORLD, ANDREW WEAVER IN BRITISH COLUMBIA. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE FOR GREENS ISN’T ABOUT POWER FOR US. WHATEVER PARLIAMENT IS FORMED AT THE END OF THE NEXT ELECTION MUST BE COMMITTED TO HOLDING TO 1.5 — TRANSFORMATIONAL CHANGES. MIGHT CHANGE THEIR MIND IN NEGOTIATIONS. THEIR CURRENT POLICIES DON’T CUT IT. >>Moderator: IF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY HAS THE MOST SEATS BUT DOESN’T COMMIT TO 1.5°, WHAT’S YOUR RESPONSE?>>Elizabeth May: WE WOULDN’T VOTE FOR THEM IN A CONFIDENCE MOTION, IN SPEECH TO THRONE. >>Moderator: JUSTIN TRUDEAU GETS A CHANCE TO FORM — >>Elizabeth May: WELL, THE MAJORITY OF CANADIANS BY FAR HAVE FOR DECADE BEEN ASKING FOR CLIMATE ACTION AND WHAT’S STALLED IT HAS BEEN THE SHORT-TERM PARTISAN INTEREST OF POLITICAL LEADER OF POLITICAL LEADER. TIME FOR BRAVERY, SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE MUST DO FOR OUR KIDS. >>Moderator: Mr. SINGH, WHICH PARTIES WOULD YOU NONT SUPPORT IN A MINORITY SITUATION — NOT. >>Jagmeet Singh: I’M COMMITTED TO REAL ACTION. Mr. TRUDEAU HAS SAID A LOT OF PRETTY WORDS BUT HASN’T DELIVERED ANY ACTION. OUR POSITION IS CLEAR. WE WOULD NOT SUPPORT Mr. SCHEER. HIS POSITION ON — HIS LACK OF CLEAR POSITION ON A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE, LGBT — THAT’S NOT DEBATABLE. WE HAVE A SOLID POSITION ON THOSE FRONTS. DOESN’T SEEM — >>Elizabeth May: VERY CLEAR. NOW I HAVE TO GO BACK.>>Jagmeet Singh: WE’RE GOING TO FIGHT TO MAKE SURE WE BUILD A –>>Moderator: A DEBATE THAT’S GOING TO GO FOR THE REST OF THIS CAMPAIGN SO I’M NOT GOING TO INDULGE IT. Mr. SCHEER, YOU PREFER REGULATION OF HEAVY INDUSTRY. YOU WOULD FORCE BUSINESSES THAT EXCEED THEIR EMISSIONS TARGETS TO INVEST IN CLEAN TECH. IN 2014 STEPHEN HARPER SAID WITH ENERGY PRICES LOW AND THE UNITED STATES LETTING THEIR COMPANIES OFF EASY, QUOTE, IT WOULD BE CRAZY ECONOMIC POLICY TO DO UNILATERAL — ON THAT SECTOR. IF HE WOULDN’T DO IT THEN, WHY WOULD YOU NOW?>>Andrew Scheer: I HAVE MY OWN PLAN. IT IS THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE POLICY EVER PUT FORWARD BY AN OPPOSITION PARTY. IT CONTAINS OVER 50 SPECIFIC MEASURES THAT WILL EXPLAIN HOW CANADA CAN REACH ITS INTERNATIONAL OBLIGATIONS. BUILT ON A NUMBER OF PILLARS. TECHNOLOGY OVER TAXES. YOU’RE CORRECT TO SAY THAT WE’RE GOING TO REQUIRE LARGE EMITTERS TO PAY INTO TECH DEVELOPMENT FUNDS. THIS HAS BEEN A PROVEN METHOD OF ACTUALLY LOWERING EMISSIONS. GIBSON INDUSTRY IN SASKATCHEWAN USED A SIMILAR TAX CREDIT TO LOWER THEIR EMISSIONS. THEY INVESTED IN A NEW TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT ALLOWED THEM TO INCREASE THEIR OUT PUT WHILE KEEPING EMISSIONS LOW. THIS IS WHAT WE’VE SEEN ACROSS THE ECONOMY IN CANADA. FOCUS ON TECHNOLOGY OVER TAXES, YOU ACTUALLY GET RESULTS. THE CARBON TAX IS PROVEN TO FAIL. I DON’T KNOW WHY ANYONE WOULD — IT’S NOT A CONSERVATIVE PARTY POSITION OR MY OPINION, WE’RE FALLING AS A COUNTRY FURTHER BEHIND UNDER JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S CARBON TAX. ONLY IF HE INCREASES, AFTER THIS ELECTION — HE WILL MAKE YOUR LIFE LESS AFFORDABLE BY RAMPING UP THAT CARBON ATTACK. >>Elizabeth May: EAST WEST AND REACHING NORTH ELECTRICITY GRID. I LOOKED AT YOUR PLAN ANDREW, AND IT IS LONG AND INCLUDES SOME GOOD THINGS, MONEY FOR GREAT LAKES, LAKE WINNIPEG — >>Andrew Scheer: GREENING THE GRID. >>Elizabeth May: BUT THERE’S ONE THING THAT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL IN ANY CREDIBLE CLIMATE PLAN. THAT IS HANGING ON TO HUMAN CIVILIZATION BY HOLDING ON TO NO MORE THAN 1.5°C. THE WINDOW ON THAT OPPORTUNITY CLOSES SOON. AND IF IT CLOSES AND WE HAVEN’T GOTTEN TO THAT THROUGH GLOBAL LEADERSHIP, WE ARE STILL RESPECTED IN THE WORLD. WE PUNCH ABOVE OUR WEIGHT. IF WE GET OUR HOUSE IN ORDER AND SAY WE WERE DEPENDANT ON FOSSIL FUELS, BUT WE’RE GOING OFF. OUR ECONOMY IS BOOMING AS WE MOVE INTO THIS ENORMOUS RANGE OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES, BUT IF YOU DON’T HAVE THE RIGHT TARGET, YOU CAN’T MAKE A PLAN THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. AND NO ONE IN THIS ELECTION HAS ACCEPTED THE TARGET THAT SCIENCE REQUIRES. NO YOU HAVEN’T. NO YOU HAVEN’T.>>Moderator: YOU SAID THAT WINDOW CLOSES SOON. WHEN IS SOON?>>Elizabeth May: ACCORDING TO TO THE PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE — OVER ESTIMATE HOW MUCH TIME WE HAVE. SO I FIND IT ALARMING AS INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY HEARD THAT REPORT IN 2018, PEOPLE SAID THIS IS THE ALARM BELL, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS HIT THE SNOOZE BUTTON. IF WE DON’T ENSURE GLOBAL EMISSIONS ARE 45% BELOW THE LEVELS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO HOLD TO 1.5°C GLOBAL AVERAGE TEMPERATURE INCREASE WILL CLOSE AND IT DOESN’T REOPEN EVER. [ talking at the same time ]>>Jagmeet Singh: WE ALL KNOW IT’S SERIOUS. WE’VE SEEN THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CRISIS. MASSIVE FOREST FIRES, WE KNOW IT’S IMPACTING PEOPLE IN EASTERN CANADA WITH FLOODS ON A RECORD WE’VE NEVER SEEN. HOMES BEING WASHED AWAY. WHEN YOU SEE AND MEET WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD THEIR HOMES WASHED AWAY, IT’S HEART BREAKING. WE KNOW WE HAVE TO ACT, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY. ANYTIME WE’RE FACED WITH CHALLENGES, THERE’S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. WE BELIEVE 300,000 PEOPLE CAN BE PUT INTO GREAT SUSTAINABLE JOBS IF WE TACKLE THIS CRISIS. RETROFIT HOMES, END FOSSIL FUEL SUBSIDIES. I KNOW IN THE CITY OF TORONTO PEOPLE NEED THAT DESPERATELY, A BETTER WAY TO MOVE AROUND. EMITS LESS EMISSIONS. SO MUCH HOPE AND OPPORTUNITY. YOU HAVE TO SEIZE THE OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW. WE KNOW IT’S GOING TO TAKE COURAGE, BOLD CONVICTION, WE CAN DO IT.>>Elizabeth May: YOU SOUND ALMOST LIKE A GREEN BUT YOU WON’T PICK A TARGET. THEN YOU HAVE TO ADOPT THE 60%.>>Jagmeet Singh: WE KNOW IT’S GOING TO TAKE A BIG CUT. >>Moderator: AS WITH SO MANY TOPICS TONIGHT, WE’VE ACTUALLY SET THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE FOR THE ENTIRE REST OF THE CAMPAIGN. THAT CONCLUDES OUR DISCUSSION OF ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. I’LL BE BACK IN A MOMENT, BUT LET’S TAKE OUR FINAL BREAK AND CHECK IN ON REACTION TO OUR DEBATE SO FAR.>>Cynthia: DEFINITELY CHIMING IN. POLL RESULTS FOR THE LAST ONE HERE. DOES A LEADER DEBATE PERFORMANCE IMPACT HOW YOU VOTE. 36% SAYING NO. DOES THIS DEBATE PERHAPS CHANGE YOUR MIND. I WANT TO BRING THIS IN FOR YOU. WHAT QUESTION WOULD YOU ASK THE LEADERS. IF IT DOESN’T MAKE IT TO BROADCAST, WE’LL BE DOING ONE-ON-ONES AND SCRUMS. CHIME IN ON FACEBOOK AND TWITTER. I’M GOING TO BRING IN PART OF OUR DIGITAL TEAM HERE AT CITY AND AARON. START WITH YOU, AARON.>>SURE. >>WHAT ARE MOST PEOPLE GOOGLING RIGHT NOW?>>PEOPLE ARE GOOGLING THE LEADERS. TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INTEREST IN THE PRIME MINISTER. THE PERSON NOT IN THE DEBATE TONIGHT. THAT PEEK IN THE FIRST FEW MINUTES OF THE DEBATE, EMPTY PODIUM GENERATED A LOT OF INTEREST. THE QUESTION PEOPLE ARE ASKING ABOUT TRUDEAU, WHERE IS JUSTIN TRUDEAU. >>WE KNOW HE’S IN EDMONTON. MORE ON THAT IN JUST A BIT. OVERWHELMINGLY A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW — WE HAVE THREE LEADERS HERE. MORE TIME TO TALK. WHAT ARE THEY SAYING ABOUT THAT?>>WHY EVERYBODY IS TALKING OVER EACH OTHER. SEEMS THEY KEEP INTERRUPTING EACH OTHER. A LOT OF COMMENTS SAYING THEY DON’T RESPECT EACH OTHER VERY MUCH. AND PEOPLE ARE CALLING INTO QUESTION THE LEADERS’ LEADERSHIP STYLE BASED ON THEIR BEHAVIOUR THEY’RE SEEING ON AIR. THAT’S BECOME INTERESTING. THEY’RE JUDGING THEM AS POTENTIAL LEADERS OF THE COUNTRY.>>BUT SO IS A DEBATE, THAT’S HOW IT GOES. WE’LL CHECK IN AGAIN IN A LITTLE BIT. WE’RE HEADING OVER TO MONTREAL. GROUP OF STUDENTS RIGHT NOW TALKING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT WHAT THE LEADERS HAVE BEEN SAYING. >>YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE’RE AT DAWSON COLLEGE, STUDENTS TAKING TO THE STREETS TO DEMAND THAT GOVERNMENT TAKE ACTION TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE. WE’RE TALKING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF STUDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROTESTING THIS. ONE OF THE BIGGEST A GEST TURNO AROUND THE WORLD. WE’RE JOINED BY STUDENTS WHO MADE THIS HAPPEN, REACHED OUT TO GRETA. I SAW THAT YOU WERE ACTUALLY LAUGHING SOMETIMES DURING THIS DEBATE. ARE THERE ANY LEADERS WHO IMPRESSED YOU?>>I HAVE SEEN SOME FIGHTING, COURAGE AND LEADERSHIP TO TACKLE THIS REALLY IMPORTANT CRISIS. I’M NOT SURE. I HAVE SEEN ONE CANDIDATE WHO WAS — IN HIS OWN REALITY WITH WHERE THERE IS NO HURRY, NO CRISIS AND IT’S THE CONSERVATIVE LEADER.>>IS THERE ONE ISSUE HERE YOU WISH THEY WOULD HAVE ADDRESSED?>>PARTY LEADERS DON’T SEE — ECONOMIC GROWTH IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. LIMITED RESOURCES AND WE CANNOT GROW INDEFINITELY. >>Reporter: AND WHAT’S THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO THE ENVIRONMENT DURING THIS ELECTION CAMPAIGN?>>IT’S NOT ABOUT GETTING TARGETS, IT’S MEETING THEM OR FACING WHAT SCIENCE — GLOBAL CATASTROPHE.>>Reporter: WHY DO YOU THINK QUEBEC YOUTHS ARE SO MOBILIZED. QUEBEC IS REALLY STANDING OUT, MONTREAL PARTICULARLY. >>I THINK WE HAVE DEVELOPED A CULTURE IN WHICH WE’RE CONSCIOUS ABOUT THE GLOBAL IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE. WE’RE FULLY AWARE OF IT AND READY TO FIGHT IT. WE’RE GOING TO SEND A MESSAGE, ENVIRONMENT IS OUR NUMBER ONE ISSUE. >>27TH EXPECTING A HISTORIC TURNOUT. THE MAYOR WILL BE PARTICIPATING. SOME SCHOOLS CANCELLING CLASSES. I WAN TO DO A SURVEY WITH THE STUDENTS IN THE ROOM. RAISE OF HANDS IF YOU FEEL THAT THE LEADERS IN THIS PORTION OF THE DEBATE ADDRESSED YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. PUT YOUR HANDS UP IF YOU FEEL THEY DID. TWO HANDS UP THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, GUYS, FOR PARTICIPATING. WE HAVE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS DEATE PARTICIPATING THAT ARE EVEN TOO YOUNG TO VOTE. IT SHOWS THE ENGAGEMENT OF YOUTH ACROSS CANADA. TO TORONTO WITH OUR POLITICAL PANEL.>>THANK YOU. AMANDA, IS ANDREW SCHEER DOING WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO TO TAKE ON JUSTIN TRUDEAU. >>HE’S ONE OF THE FEW LEADERS GO BACK TO ATTACKING PRIME MINISTER TRUDEAU OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WHICH I THOUGHT WE’D SEE MORE. HE’S DOING WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO. THE OTHERS HAVE NOT GONE AT HIM AS MUCH. >>I WOULD SAY IT’S A LITTLE BIT SURPRISING TO ME THAT SCHEER IS GOING AFTER TRUDEAU. FOR A LOT OF CANADIANS, YOU KNOW, THEIR BIGGEST ISSUE IS THE LOOMING CLIMATE DISASTER. ON THAT FRONT, SCHEER AND TRUDEAU ARE NOT THAT FAR APART. I DON’T KNOW THAT’S NECESSARILY HIS BIGGEST TARGET. >>I THINK THERE’S BEEN A LOST OPPORTUNITY HERE. YOU HAVE JUSTIN TRUDEAU WHO’S NOT AT THIS DEBATE TONIGHT, AND I THINK IT TOOK, WHAT, ABOUT 40 MINUTES BEFORE ANYONE REALLY STARTED GOING AFTER HIM. WHEN YOU HAVE EFFECTIVELY BECAUSE BOTH SINGH AND MAY HAVE ESSENTIALLY SAID THEY’RE NOT GOING TO WIN THIS ELECTION, WHAT SCHEER SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING IS FOCUSSING ATTACKS ON TRUDEAU AS OPPOSED TO ARGUING WITH THE OTHER LEADERS. >>SINGH AFTER GOING EFFECTIVELY AFTER ANDREW SCHEER FOR MUCH OF THE NIGHT, TURNED HIS SIGHTS ON ELIZABETH MAY. THE NDP HAVE TO FULL BACK VOTES THAT HAVE DRIFTED TO GREENS. MINI FIGHTS WITHIN THIS BIGGER BATTLE. >>WE’LL CONTINUE WATCHING. BACK TO DEBATE.>>Moderator: STEPHEN HARPER USED TO DESCRIBE THE WORLD AS A SEA OF TROUBLE THAT CANADA NEEDED TO AVOID. NOWADAYS THE TROUBLE DOESN’T BOTHER TO STOP AT OUR SHORES. CANADIANS DETAINED IN CHINA, VALUES WITH DONALD TRUMP — IN A MOMENT WE’LL DEBATE KEYSTONE — CANADA’S PLACE IN THE WORLD. HOW THEY’VE IMPACTED SENTIMENT ON MAIN STREET. >>IN SAUDI ARABIA, AN ALREADY STRAINED RELATIONSHIP COLLAPSES. AS CANADA CALLS OUT THE REGIME’S HUMAN RIGHTS RECORDS AND SAUDIS SEVER TIRES. THE ARREST OF AN EXECUTIVE IN BRITISH COLUMBIA AT THE — THE SWIFT RESPONSE — >>A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE PEOPLE OF CANADA. >>Reporter: WITH OUR LARGEST TRADING PARTNER, NAME CALLING AND A ROLLER COASTER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE U.S. PRESIDENT. AFTER TENSE NEGOTIATIONS, A NEW NAFTA, SIGNED, THOUGH STILL NOT RATIFIED. WAS IT A SUCCESS? DEPENDS WHO YOU ASK. THESE ARE THE — MAKES 54,000 CASES EACH YEAR. ONE THIRD ARE SOLD IN B.C. GROCERY STORES.>>I THINK IT HAS BEEN A BIT OF A BOON. ACCESS TO GROCERY STORE SHELF –>>Reporter: THAT WILL SOON CHANGE WHEN U.S. WINES POUR IN UNDER A NEW DEAL.>>SHELF SPACE TO SMALL BOUTIQUE WINERIES COULD BE CRUSHING OR FATAL TO THE BUSINESS. >>Reporter: WHILE HIS BUSINESS CAN WITH STAND THE CHANGE, HE STILL CAN’T SEE THE IMPACT OF CANADA’S FOREIGN DEAL MAKING AS A GLASS HALF FULL.>>Moderator: Mr. SINGH, A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ON SPECIFIC FILES, THIS IS A BIT MORE GENERAL. THE FASTEST GROWING — HAS TO BE CHINA. WE WANT TRADE AND INVESTMENT TIES THAT ARE GOOD FOR THE CANADIAN ECONOMY. BUT WE WORRY ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE RULE OF LAW. HOW WOULD YOU RECONCILE OR AT LEAST BALANCE THESE CONFLICTING VALUES. >>Jagmeet Singh: WE HAVE TO BALANCE THE INTEREST. WE LOOK AT THE TRACK RECORD SO FAR. WE ALL HOPE THAT WITH Mr. TRUDEAU AND I CAN ADMIT I HOPED AS WELL HE WOULD TRULY BRING CANADA BACK ON THE INTERNATIONAL PLATFORM. DIFFICULT YEARS WITH HARPER WHO EMBARRASSED CANADA IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. THE CHINA SITUATION HAS BEEN A COMPLETE DEBACLE. INDIA WAS A MESS. WE’VE NEGOTIATED A TRADE DEAL THAT MAKES IT WORSE FOR WORKERS, FARMERS, MEDICATION PRICES GO UP. IN GENERAL WE’RE SEEING AGAIN AND AGAIN EMPHASIS FOR MAKING IFE EASIER FOR PEOPLE AT THE TOP AND HARDER FOR EVERYONE ELSE. I WOULD APPROACH TRADE — FREE TRADE IS NOT THE WAY FORWARD. IT MAKES CORPORATIONS BENEFIT. FAIR TRADE. WITH CHINA, SAME IDEA. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CONSISTENT APPROACH, BUT THAT DOESN’T CREATE UNFAIR PLAYING FIELD.>>Moderator: >>ElizaELIZAB>>Elizabeth May: — CHINA RIGHT NOW AND CANADA’S RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA ARE EMPERILED BY LARGE FORCES OUT OF OUR CONTROL. THE ARREST OF THE EXTRADITION REQUEST HAS CREATED A SITUATION WHERE OUR NUMBER ONE CONCERN SHOULD BE AS MUCH AS I’M CONCERNED ABOUT CHINA STOPPING CANOLA IMPORTS AND TURNING DOWN HOG PRODUCTS, THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN MUST BE THE SAFETY OF CANADIANS. THEY SHOULD BE OUR CONCERN, NOT TRADE, NOT ANYTHING ELSE. THAT MEANS CANADA’S DIPLOMATIC RELATIONSHIPS WITH CHINA HAVE TO DEEPEN, HAVE TO SHOW WE’RE SERIOUS ABOUT WORKING WITH THEM. WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE ANYONE WHO SAYS THERE ARE EASY ANSWERS HERE IS TALKING OUT OF THEIR HAT. IT’S A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION. DONALD TRUMP IS DIFFICULT AND INPREDICTABLE TO PUT IT MILDLY. A COUNTRY THAT SHOWS NO RIGHT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS. IT’S A — THANKS TO STEPHEN HARPER WE’RE BOUND BY THE INVESTMENT TREATY SO EVERY STATE — >>Andrew Scheer: THAT’S ACTUALLY UNTRUE. THERE ARE SOME VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT A GOVERNMENT CAN DO TO STAND UP FOR OUR INTERESTS. SOMETHING JUSTIN TRUDEAU HAS FAILED TO DO. THIS CONFLICT WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF CHINA HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MONTHS NOW AND ONLY IN THE LAST FEW DAYS TRUDEAU TOOK THE STEP NAMING AN AMBASSADOR. WE CAN SHOW RESOLVE AND STAND UP FOROURSELVES. I WILL PULL THE FUNDING FROM THE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK. CANADIANS DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY TAX DOLLARS ARE BEING SENT TO BUILD ROADS AND BRIDGES IN OTHER COUNTRIES THAT CHINA HAS THE ABILITY TO INFLUENCE. I WOULD ALSO START TO TAKE THE STEPS NECESSARY TO SHOW CHINA WHEN THEY BLOCK OUR EXPORTS WE’LL STAND UP FOROURSELVES. I AGREE, THE TWO CANADIANS HELD IN CHINA MUST BE THE FOCUS OF OUR CONCERN. WE NEED TO RESET IN OUR RELATIONSHIP AND IT STARTS WITH HAVING A PRIME MINISTER THAT STANDS UP FOR CANADA. >>Elizabeth May: IF YOU CANCEL FOSSIL FUEL SUBSIDIES, IT WOULD HAVE AN EFFECT ON DOZENS OF STATE OWNED ENTERPRISES — OWNING PART OF THE LNG PROJECT, CANADA LNG IT’S CALLED. 220 MILLION DOLLARS — >>Andrew Scheer: I’VE BEEN VERY CLEAR I DON’T SUPPORT A FREE TRADE DEAL WITH CHINA BECAUSE OF THE ROLE OF STATE OWNED ENTERPRISES — >>Elizabeth May: WE’RE ALREADY COMMITTED THANKS TO STEPHEN HARPER’S CABINET — >>Andrew Scheer: YOU’RE MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT A FOREIGN PROTECTION — >>Elizabeth May: IT GIVES CANADIAN BUSINESSES AND INVESTORS — >>Elizabeth May: NO IT DOESN’T. NO, NO. [ talking at the same time ]>>Elizabeth May: YOU NEED TO READ WHAT THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND THIS AGREEMENT. IT THROWS IN PLACE ALL OF THE DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES TOWARDS CANADIAN ENTERPRISES WHILE GIVING THE PEOPLE’S RERP REPUBLIC OF CHINA THE RIGHT IN SECRET TRIBUNALS TO GIVE CHARGES AGAINST CANADA AND SEEK ARBITRATION DAMAGES. LET’S THEM LEAN ON US — >>Jagmeet Singh: TWO CANADIANS BEING DETAINED IN CHINA IN DEPLORABLE CONDITIONS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO FOCUS IN ON. ALL OF US WORKING TOGETHER THAT THEY ENSURE SAFETY, TREATED IN A DIG FIED AND HUMANE WAYS. THAT SHOULD BE A FOCUS. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TRADE, WHETHER WITH CHINA OR ANY OTHER NATION, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE GOAL OF OUR TRADE DEALS. SO FAR THE TRADE DEALS HAVE FOCUSSED ON FREE TRADE WITHOUT BENEFITTING WORKERS. UNFETTERRED FREE TRADE WITHOUT PROTECTING WORKERS MEANT THE KIDS I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH, THEIR PARENTS HAD GREAT JOBS, THEY LOST THAT JOBS AND THEY’RE STRUGGLING. IT WASN’T A FOCUS — >>Andrew Scheer: FREE TRADE — >>Elizabeth May: EVEN SUBSIDIZING — [ talking at the same time ]>>Andrew Scheer: CREATES WELL PAYING JOBS FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CANADIANS — BUT IT DOESN’T HELP — [ talking at the same time ]>>Moderator: I FEEL THIS ONE PETERING OUT. LET’S GO TO THE NEXT QUESTION FOR ANDREW SCHEER LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY. Mr. SCHEER IN 2017 YOU WROTE ON TWITTER YOU WERE PRO-BREXIT BEFORE IT WAS COOL. ARE YOU STILL NOW THAT IT ISN’T . >>Andrew Scheer: IN FAVOUR OF COUNTRIES CHARTING THEIR OWN DESTINY AND CONTROL THEIR OWN INTERNAL AFFAIRS. IT’S UP TO BRITISH LAWMAKERS. MY FOCUS IS ON RESTORING CANADA’S PLACE IN THE WORLD. THE DIFFICULTIES WITH CHINA. IT’S NO WONDER THE GOVERNMENT OF CHINA DOESN’T TAKE JUSTIN CLOWNED AROUND IN INDIA AND ACCEPTED CONCESSION AFTER CONCESSION WITH DONALD TRUMP. IT’S NO WONDER CANADA HAS LOST ITS PLACE IN THE WORLD. I’LL RESTORE THE DIGNITY — CANADA WITH STRENGTH WHEN WE FACE DIFFICULT ENCOUNTERS. >>Moderator: I HOPE YOU’LL STAY ON BREXIT FOR A BIT WHEN YOU RESPOND. >>Jagmeet Singh: IF YOU NEGOTIATE DEALS, DEALS THAT WORK IN THE BENEFIT — BENEFIT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE COUNTRY, WE’VE SEEN MASSIVE BENEFITS TO HAVING FREE FLOWING TRADE BETWEEN EUROPEAN NATIONS, IT’S BEEN BENEFICIAL FOR WORKERS AND PEOPLE. THAT’S HOW WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON TRADE. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT’S DONE IN A WAY THAT’S FAIR. PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO STRIKE THE BALANCE IN EUROPE. BALANCE BETWEEN MAKING SURE THERE’S A FREE FLOW, PEOPLE ABLE TO HAVE COMMERCE. BUT DOING IT IN A WAY THAT DOESN’T BENEFIT THE PEOPLE AT THE VERY TOP AND ALLOW THEM TO ENRICH THEMSELVES. — >>Elizabeth May: LET’S GO TO BREXIT FOR A MOMENT. BREXIT IS A TRAGEDY OF ENORMOUS PROPORTIONS. THE WHOLE — AND I WANT — IT MAY SOUND LIKE I’M LEAVING BREXIT, BUT IT WAS A MANIPULATION OF PUBLIC OPINION THROUGH THE INVASION OF THE PRIVACY RIGHTS FROM BRITS. IT WAS MINING DATA AND MAKING UP LIES THAT FIT THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD THEN HEAR THOSE LIES. THE REFERENDUM WAS WON THROUGH DECEIT. I HAVE ONE GREEN COLLEAGUE, THAT THEY FIND THEIR WAY THROUGH THIS. BORIS JOHNSON’S BULLYING WILL NOT WORK. THANK GOODNESS THE PARLIAMENT STUCK WITH THE FUNDAMENTALS, THAT HE COULDN’T PULL THE PLUG AND CALL AN ELECTION.>>Moderator: I WANT TO GET BACK TO Mr. SCHEER. I WANT TO STICK UP FOR THE GUY WHO’S NOT HERE. JUSTIN TRUDEAU HAS WRITTEN OUT THIS THREE-YEAR PROCESS. WHEN HE MEETS A BRITISH PRIME MINISTER, HE’S SEEN AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF A VALUED ALLY, CANADA. AND WHEN HE MEETS EUROPEAN LEADERS, WHETHER IN BRUSSELS OR PARIS OR ELSEWHERE. HE’S SEEN AS A VALUED ALLY. BY TAKING SIDES, DO YOU RISK — >>Andrew Scheer: HIS POSITION ON THE SAME QUESTION, THAT’S WHAT PROMPTED ME TO EXPRESS MY OPINION. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT POSITIONS LEADERS HAVE HAD ON OTHER — I WISH JUSTIN TRUDEAU WAS HERE SO I COULD ASK HIM THE QUESTION OF WHAT ABOUT THE BASIC DICTATORSHIP OF CHINA HE ADMIRES. HE SAID THAT ON FILM. PICK ALL THE COUNTRIES, WHICH COUNTRY HE ADMIRED THE MOST, HE SAID THE BASIC DICTATORSHIP OF CHINA. NOW WE SEE HOW HE’S HANDLED CANADA, I THINK WE SEE A GLIMPSE INTO HIS RATIONALE. I’LL ALWAYS STAND UP FOR CANADIANS’ INTERESTS AROUND THE WORLD, INCLUDING SIGNING — AS THE PREVIOUS CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT DID AND IN THE EVENTUALITY — >>Jagmeet Singh: WHAT I’M CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN Mr. SCHEER TALKED ABOUT BEING PRO BREXIT, IT SEEMS TO BE THIS IDEA OF THIS INSTILLING FEAR IN PEOPLE. AND REALLY THE FEAR ISN’T IN NEW CANADIANS ARRIVING. THERE SHOULDN’T BE FEAR IN USING LANGUAGE TO PEOPLE SEEKING ASYLUM BECAUSE THEY’RE FACING PERSECUTION. DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE THAT BENEFITTED THE WEALTHY AND POWERFUL. CORPORATIONS CONTINUE TO ENJOY MASSIVE LOOPHOLES THAT EVERY DAY PEOPLE DON’T HAVE. THAT’S WHERE WE SHOULD PUT OUR FOCUS. THAT’S KIND OF THE SENTIMENT BEHIND Mr. Mr. SCHEER — >>Andrew Scheer: THAT’S JUST NOT TRUE. YOU’RE JUST MAKING THINGS UP. TRY TO STICK TO THE FACTS. THAT’S ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY AND I WILL AS PRIME MINISTER CONTINUE TO ENSURE THAT CANADA HAS AN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM THAT WELCOMES PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD. WE MUST DO SO BASED ON THREE IMPORTANT PILLARS. OUR SYSTEM MUST BE FAIR, ORDERLY AND COMPASSIONATE. THAT’S BEEN MY POSITION AND IT’S VERY DISINGENUOUS — >>Elizabeth May: RIGHT NOW WE’RE SENDING PEOPLE AWAY AND IN THE HOUSE I’VE HEARD YOU SAY YOU ACT AS IF PEOPLE ARE ILLEGALS AS REFUGEES — PEOPLE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO COME — AND CLAIM REFUGEE STATUS. >>Andrew Scheer: THERE’S NOTHING COMPASSIONATE ABOUT FORCING PEOPLE TO WAIT LONGER IN REFUGEE CAMPS IN — KILLED IF THEY LEAVE THOSE CAMPS. THEY HAVE TO WAIT LONGER BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SKIPPING THE LINE, JUMPING THE QUEUE — >>Elizabeth May: THERE IS NO –>>Moderator: MY INVITATION TO DISCUSS BREXIT DID NOT GO WELL. >>Elizabeth May: I TRIED. >>Moderator: THERE’S A PROJECT LIKE THAT ON THE TABLE. >>Andrew Scheer: I’M NOT SURE IF JUSTIN TRUDEAU WILL SHOW UP FOR THAT EITHER.>>Jagmeet Singh: HASN’T SHOWN UP FOR PEOPLE IN FOUR YEARS. >>Moderator: ONE LAST QUESTION IN THIS WHOLE DEBATE, TO ELIZABETH MAY OF THE GREEN PARTY. MS. MAY, YOU’VE CALLED FOR SHIFTING CANADA’S FOCUS AND FUNDING WAY FROM NATO. BUT GIVEN PUTIN’S MILITARY MUSCLE FLEXING — THAT CANADA SHOULD BE DOING EVERYTHING IT CAN TO SUPPORT?>>Elizabeth May: I THINK THE QUESTION IS BASED ON TWISTING OF AN ANSWER I GAVE TO A COLLEAGUE AT CBC PERHAPS. WHAT I SAID IS OUR INTEREST IN NATO SHOULD BE TO TRANSFER NATO’S INTEREST TOWARDS NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT. WE HAVE A REAL THREAT TO GLOBAL SURVIVOR. THE ONLY THING THAT CAN OUT PACE CLIMATE IS NUCLEAR WAR. CANADA HAS NOT SIGNED THE UN TREATY TO ABOLISH NUCLEAR WEAPONS. WE’RE PART OF NATO WHICH IS A SHARED DEFENSE ALIGNS. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT’S WORKING IN THE INTEREST OF OUR FUTURE AND THAT MEANS WE NEED TO ENGAGE NATO TO BE PART OF AN EFFORT TO COUNTER THE DISASTER DISASTER — THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN. WE ALSO BELIEVE THE CANADIAN MILITARY SHOULD BE PROPERLY FUNDED. WE DON’T HAVE SURVEILLANCE ON OUR ARCTIC SHORES. WE DON’T HAVE ANYONE THERE TO — RUSSIAN VESSELS DO LAND. WE HAVE NO CAPACITY TO DEAL WITH THAT. >>Moderator: TWO CURRENT ELEMENTS OF THE NATO POLICY FOR CANADA. LED GROUP IN LATVIA.>>Elizabeth May: WE’D REVIEW ALL OUR NATO COMMITMENTS. WE NEED TO ENSURE WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO PULL OURSELVES OUT OF 59th IN THE WORLD FOR UN PEACE KEEPING. OPERATE IN UN SANCTIONED EFFORTS WHERE THERE ARE REAL CRISES AND HOT SPOTS. 59th IN THE WORLD FOR PEACE KEEPING ISN’T GOOD ENOUGH. REVIEW, NOT PULL OUT.>>Moderator: INCREASE MILITARY SPENDING BY HALF TO GET CLOSER TO MEETING NATO TARGETS?>>Elizabeth May: NATO TARGETS AREN’T AS IMPORTANT TO THE GREENS AS THE 0.7% OF OUR GDP TO OVERSEA — PEACE AND SECURITY IN THE WORLD IS MUCH MORE WON BY ENSURING GIRLS ARE EDUCATED, PEOPLE ARE FED, AND HOT SPOTS OF THE WORLD GET THE EFFORT TO KEEP A SUSTAINABLE PEACE IN PLACE. WE HAVE TO BE THE ANTI-TRUMP IN THE WORLD, AND THAT MEANS NOT FLEXING MILITARY MUSCLE HALF AS MUCH AS MAKING THE SUSTAINABLE GOALS. >>Moderator: ANDREW SCHEER ON CANADA’S COMMITMENTS. >>Andrew Scheer: CANADA IS A FULL PARTNER IN NATO, MEANING MEETING OUR TARGETS FORGETTING TO THAT 2% TARGET. IT’S ESSENTIAL THAT WE ARE OVER TIME GETTING TO THAT 2% TARGET — THERE ARE DANGEROUS AREAS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD AND EUROPE AS WELL. WE’VE SEEN THE UKRAINE AS THE GOVERNMENT OF RUSSIA, PUTIN’S REGIME HAS IGNORED THE SOVEREIGNTY OF UKRAINE AND IN THE PROCESS OF ANNEXING PART OF UKRAINE. I’M THE ONLY PARTY LEADER CURRENTLY BANNED FROM ENTERING RUSSIA BECAUSE OF MY SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE. ENSURE THAT CANADA SUPPORTING UKRAINE WITH REAL MATERIALS THAT WILL HELP THEM FIGHT AGAINST RUSSIAN AGGRESSION AND ENSURE WE MEET OUR TARGETS. UNDER JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S LEADERSHIP, CANADA HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO GIVE OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM THE EQUIPMENT THEY DESERVE. WE’RE NOW IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE REPLACED OUR 40-YEAR-OLD CF 18s WITH F 18s FROM AUSTRALIA. HE’S BUNGLED THE PROCESS FOR OUR ARMED FORCES. I’LL FIX IT. >>Elizabeth May: WE SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THE BRAVERY OF CHRYSTIA FREELAND, ALSO BANNED BY PUTIN AND WORKED IN RUSSIA. >>Andrew Scheer: JUSTIN TRUDEAU NEEDS TO EXPLAIN WHY HE ATTEMPTED TO NORMALIZE — >>Elizabeth May: IF ANYONE WANTS TO KNOW WHERE YOU STAND JUST FIGURE OUT WHAT TRUMP WANTS. YOU WANT TO MOVE OUR EMBASSY TO JERUSALEM, TAKE OUR — YOU WANT TO JOIN WITH THE U.S. AND BUILD AN ANTI-BALLISTIC MISSILE SYSTEM. YOU WILL DO WHAT TRUMP WANTS. HE MIGHT AS WELL BE THE — >>Andrew Scheer: THAT’S JUST FALSE. I HAVE CONTINUALLY ADVOCATED FOR CANADA TO BE A FULL PARTNER IN NATO. I BELIEVE WE SHOULD NOT SIGN AWAY OUR SOVEREIGNTY ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS WHICH IS WHAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU DID WHEN HE SIGNED NAFTA AND CONCEDED A — AND EXPORTS OF CERTAIN CANADIAN PRODUCTS. I BELIEVE CANADA MUST RECOGNIZE THAT IN THE CONFLICT IN THE MIDDLE EAST, THERE’S ONLY ONE SIZE THAT TRIES TO MINIMIZE HUMAN CASUALTIES AND THAT’S ISRAEL. SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC STATE OF ISRAEL THE PLACE IN THE REGION WHERE PEOPLE HAVE THE MOST FREEDOM. I WILL BE UNAPOLOGETIC OFFENDER — >>Elizabeth May: IT’S NOT OKAY FOR — >>Jagmeet Singh: Mr. SCHEER SEEMS TO BE WILLING TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO SUPPORT TRUMP’S POLICIES. THAT DOESN’T SHOW STRENGTH. IF WE WANT TO BE STRONG, THIS IS A MASSIVE FAILURE OF Mr. TRUDEAU, TO NOT STAND UP TO A LEADER OF A COUNTRY, Mr. TRUMP, WHO IS STRIPPING KIDS FROM THE ARMS OF THEIR PARENTS TO NOT CALL THAT OUT FOR THE SHAMEFUL ACT IT IS SHOWS WEAKNESS. THE FACT Mr. SCHEER STANDS HERE TODAY AND IS NOT WILLING TO CONDEMN Mr. TRUMP FOR THE TREATMENT OF OTHER FELLOW BROTHERS AND SISTERS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW HE’S NO STRONGER THAN JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND CAN’T PROVIDE THE STRENGTH WE NEED.>>Andrew Scheer: IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT — [ talking at the same time ]>>Moderator: TAKING A LOT OF ACCUSATIONS. >>Andrew Scheer: UNDER JUSTIN TRUDEAU, FUNDING A UNITED NATIONS ORGANIZATION THAT’S FUNDING ELEMENTS WITHIN THE MIDDLE EAST — AND ENCOURAGE ANTI-SEMITISM AND — >>Elizabeth May: NO, THEY RUN SCHOOLS IN PERMANENT SETTLEMENT REFUGEE CAMPS FOR 70 YEARS. >>Andrew Scheer: I’LL PULL THE FUNDING FROM THEM AND MAKE SURE TAX DOLLARS ARE NOT GOING TO ADVOCATE TERRORIST ACTIVITIES. >>Elizabeth May: THEY RUN SCHOOLS, ANDREW. I HAVE BEEN TO THE SCHOOLS. I WENT THERE WITH 18 MPs FROM OUR CANADA PALESTINIAN PARLIAMENTARY FRIENDSHIP GROUP. IT’S TERRIFYING TO SEE A SMALL SCHOOL WHERE AN ILLEGAL — GIANT INFRASTRUCTURE OF A BIG COMMUNITY WHERE THERE WERE SOLDIERS. THE CHILDREN THROW ROCKS, ISRAELI SOLDIERS ARE THERE ARMED TO THE TEETH. THE REALITY IS, ISRAEL — I STAND — Mr. NETANYAHU’S POLICIES ARE A DANGER TO THE REASON. >>Andrew Scheer: TRIES TO MAXIMIZE HUMAN CASUALTIES AND ANOTHER THAT — >>Elizabeth May: THAT’S A STRETCH. [ talking at the same time ]>>Moderator: I WAS WORRIED THERE WOULDN’T BE ENOUGH CLEAR DISTINCTIONS. I THINK AT THE END OF THE DEBATE I DON’T HAVE TO WORRY AS MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION. YOU’VE HEARD THE DEBATE. NOW THE TIME FOR THE FINAL PITCHES. EACH LEADER WILL HAVE 90 SECONDS TO MAKE A FINAL STATEMENT. WE’VE DRAWN LOTS FOR THE ORDER. WE’LL HEAR FROM ELIZABETH MAY.>>Elizabeth May: I WANT TO THANK CITY TV AND McLEANS GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY. I WANT TO SAY TO EVERY CANADIAN WATCHING TONIGHT, PLEASE CONSIDER VOTING GREEN THIS TIME. I WILL BE ENORMOUSLY HONOURED TO HAVE YOU GIVE US A SERIOUS CONSIDERATION. LOOK AT OUR FULL PLATFORM, LOOK AT OUR POLICIES, AND THE FACT WE’LL BE ISSUING A FULLY COSTED BUDGET REVIEWED BY THE PARLIAMENTARY BUDGET OFFICE. WE’RE SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT WE’RE PROPOSING. CANADA CAN DO THIS, UNIVERSAL PHARMA CARE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE CAN MAKE SURE OUR KIDS CAN GO TO UNIVERSITY BY ELIMINATING TUITION. WE CAN PAY FOR THOSE THINGS AND WE CAN STIMULATE OUR ECONOMY THROUGH A TRANSFORMATION THE LIKES OF WHICH CANADA HASN’T SEEN SINCE WE CAME INTO OUR OWN IN THE ERA OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR. THE TIME FOR STATUS QUO DECISION MAKING IS OVER. THE TIME FOR STATUS QUO SHORT-TERM POLITICS WHERE EVERY PARTY GOES OUT TO BEAT THEIR OWN DRUM AND KICK THE OTHERS IN THE SHINS IS OVER. IT’S TIME TO FIND COMMON GROUND WHERE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. BECAUSE CANADA ISN’T A COUNTRY DIVIDED. WE’RE ONE FAMILY, WE CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER. EVERY CANADIAN CARES ABOUT AN ALBERTANS WORRYING ABOUT THEIR JOB, A BRITISH COLUMBIAN WHO CAN’T BREATHE BECAUSE OF SMOKE. WE CARE FOR EACH OTHER, WE HAVE TO THINK AND WORK TOGETHER LIKE THE COUNTRY THE BEST WE CAN BE.>>Andrew Scheer: THIS ELECTION IS COMING DOWN TO ONE SIMPLE QUESTION. WHO DO YOU TRUST TO MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE SO THAT YOU CAN GET AHEAD. EVERYWHERE I TRAVEL IN THIS COUNTRY I HEAR FROM CANADIANS WHO TELL ME THEY’RE WORKING HARDER AND HARDER BUT THEY’RE BARELY GETTING BY. LIFE IS GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE AND JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS MAKING IT WORSE. HE’S RAISED TAXES ON OVER 80% OF CANADIAN MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES. HIS CARBON TAX IS RAISING THE COST OF EVERYTHING FROM HOME HEATING TO GASOLINE AND GROCERIES. AND HIS MASSIVE DEFICITS TODAY WILL MEAN HIGHER TAXES AFTER THE ELECTION WHEN HE DOESN’T NEED YOUR VOTE BUT HE STILL NEEDS YOUR MONEY. I HAVE A PLAN FOR A GOVERNMENT THAT WILL LIVE WITHIN ITS MEANS SO WE CAN LEAVE MORE MONEY IN YOUR POCKET BECAUSE IT’S TIME FOR YOU TO GET AHEAD. I HAVE ALREADY ANNOUNCED THAT I WILL CANCEL JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S CARBON TAX. I’LL REMOVE THE GST AND HST FROM HOME HEATING AND ENERGY BILLS AND MAKE MATERNITY LEAVE BENEFITS TAX FREE. AND THROUGHOUT THIS CAMPAIGN WE’LL BE UNVEILING MORE IDEAS, POLICIES, PROPOSALS THAT WILL PUT MORE MONEY BACK IN YOUR POCKETS FOR YOU, YOUR KIDS, OR YOUR RETIREMEN. WE CANNOT TRUST JUSTIN TRUDEAU. HE HAS BROKEN PROMISES, BROKEN THE LAW, AND LIED TO CANADIANS ABOUT IT. AND HIS POLICIES WILL MAKE LIFE MORE EXPENSIVE. OURS WILL MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE BECAUSE IT’S TIME FOR YOU TO GET AHEAD. OCTOBER 21st, I’M ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT SO WE CAN RESTORE ETHICS, INTEGRITY, AND LOWER THE COST OF LIVING FOR ALL CANADIANS.>>Moderator: JAGMEET SINGH.>>Jagmeet Singh: THANK YOU FOR STICKING WITH US THIS LONG, FOLKS. WHEN WE LOOK AT OTTAWA, THE GOVERNMENTS AND THE DECISIONS THEY’VE MADE, WHETHER LIBERAL LIKE Mr. TRUDEAU OR BEFORE THAT CONSERVATIVE LIKE Mr. HARPER, THE DECISIONS GOVERNMENTS MAKE SEEM TO BENEFIT THOSE AT THE VERY TOP. POWERFUL CORPORATE INTERESTS AND MADE LIFE HARDER FOR EVERYONE ELSE. I ASK YOU THIS SIMPLE QUESTION. THIS ELECTION COMES TO THIS QUESTION: WHO’S GOING TO FIGHT FOR YOU? STAND UP FOR YOU? NEW DEMOCRATS, WE’RE NOT IN IT FOR THE RICH, WE DON’T WORK FOR THE POWERFUL AND WEALTHY, WE WORK FOR YOU. SO WE CAN TACKLE THE PROBLEMS WE’RE FACED WITH, HOUSING. THE HOUSING CRISIS, BUT ONLY IF WE HAVE THE COURAGE TO TAKE ON MONEY LAUNDERERS AND INVEST IN BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOMES. WE CAN TACKLE THE PROBLEMS WITH MEDICATION. PEOPLE WHO CAN’T AFFORD MEDICATION. WE CAN EXPAND OUR MEDICARE AND INCLUDE COVERAGE FOR ALL, PHARMA CARE FOR ALL. BUT ONLY IF WE HAVE THE COURAGE TO TAKE ON BIG PHARMA AND THE POWERFUL GROUPS THAT DON’T WANT IT. WE CAN TACKLE THE CLIMATE CRISIS. BUT ONLY IF WE HAVE THE COURAGE TO TAKE ON THE BIG POLLUTERS AND END FOSSIL FUEL SUBSIDIES. YOU NEED SOMEONE IN IT FOR YOU. NEW DEMOCRATS DON’T FIGHT FOR THE POWERFUL AND WEALTHY, WE FIGHT FOR YOU, IN IT FOR YOU. OCTOBER 21st I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR YOU, NOT THE POWERFUL, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE.>>Moderator: THANK YOU, JAGMEET SINGH. WELL, THAT CONCLUDES THE FIRST DEBATE OF THIS CAMPAIGN. THANK THE LEADERS FOR TAKING PART AND WISH YOU A GOOD LUCK. WE’VE BEEN INVITING CANADIANS TO TAKE PART ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THAT CONTINUES AS DOES REACTION. SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT. >>Cynthia: DID ANY OF THE LEADERS GAIN MORE VOTERS THIS EVENING?>>I WOULD SAY BEING THE TOKEN — YOU PROBABLY KNOW I’M GOING TO SAY JAGMEET SINGH REALLY SHONE IN THIS DEBATE.>>HE REALLY DID. >>HE HAD THE MOST TO GAIN. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT WAS REALLY EFFECTIVE OF HIM TO SHOW WHAT DIVISIONS EXIST BETWEEN THE NDP AND GREEN PARTY. FOR A LOT OF THOSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THOSE PARTIES, WHICHEVER GROUP TURNS YOU OFF THE LEAST IS THE ONE THAT GETS YOUR VOTE. HE DID A GOOD JOB DRAWING DISTINCTION. >>WHAT I LOVED IN THAT LAST SEGMENT WAS WHEN JAGMEET SINGH WHEN AFTER ANDREW SCHEER ON THE UNITED STATES. AND SCHEER REFUSED TO CRITICIZE DONALD TRUMP AND Mr. SINGH WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CHILDREN PUT IN CAGES. THAT WAS A LOST OPPORTUNITY FOR Mr. SCHEER FOR SURE. AND JAGMEET, ABSOLUTELY. WITH JUSTIN TRUDEAU NOT THERE, HE REALLY SHONE TONIGHT.>>SINGH WAS GOOD. HE DEFLECTED A QUESTION. PEOPLE FROM BRITISH COLUMBIA MAY NOTICE THAT. BUT I THINK HE WAS THE CLEAR WINNER HERE TONIGHT. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE TO ASK ANDREW SCHEER IS WHETHER HE CAN AFFORD TO MIX UP WITH THE TWO PEOPLE WITH HIM BECAUSE HE HAS TO FIGHT JUSTIN TRUDEAU. IN A WAY HE WAS HAM STRUNG IN THE WAY HE COULD BE COMBATIVE. >>INTERESTING DYNAMICS GOING ON HERE. SINGH NEEDED TO PULL VOTES AWAY FROM THE GREEN PARTY AS WELL AS TRUDEAU. SCHEER WANTS SINGH TO DO WELL BECAUSE IT’S IN HIS BEST INTEREST TO PULL VOTES AWAY FROM THE LIBERALS. >>I THINK WHAT WE SAW WAS SCHEER WAS LOOKING AT THE CAMERA, SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO VOTERS. TRYING TO BE CALM. EVEN TONE THROUGHOUT THE DEBATE, SINGH MIXED IT UP A LOT MORE. I THINK THAT’S — HE WANTED TO BE PRIME MINISTERIAL IN WAITING. YOU HAVE TO BE THE CALM GUY, YOU DON’T WANT TO PICK A FIGHT WITH THE THIRD PARTY. SINGH DID BETTER THAN I ANTICIPATED. >>ENOUGH TO JUMP START HIS CAMPAIGN? THEY’VE BEEN STRUGGLING LATELY. >>PEOPLE LOVE A COMEBACK. I THINK IT’S GOING TO BE FASCINATING TO SEE SINGH VERSUS TRUDEAU IN THE DEBATE. BASICALLY WE HAD A PRACTICE ROUND AND HOW THEY’RE GOING TO GO AT EACH OTHER. SCHEER NEEDS TO STAY CALM. MORE EMOTION FROM HIM WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD. KEEP ELIZABETH MAY NOT TOO MIXED UP. SCHEER DID WHAT HE NEEDED TO DO. SINGH DID VERY WELL.>>JUSTIN TRUDEAU, SAID HE WAS WATCHING THIS AND SAYING I HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR JAGMEET SINGH OBVIOUSLY. WHAT THEIR STYLES ARE GOING TO BE. >>LET’S TALK ABOUT HOW SCHEER CONSISTENTLY MOVED THE DIAL OVER TO CRITICIZING JUSTIN TRUDEAU. WE’RE GOING TO RUN TAPE ON THAT, SOME EXAMPLES OF HOW HE WAS ALWAYS TAKING IT BACK TO SLAMMING JUSTIN TRUDEAU.>>Andrew Scheer: JUSTIN TRUDEAU PROMISED THAT THE BUDGET WOULD BE BALANCED. WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS AFRAID OF HIS RECORD. WE’RE ALSO GOING TO ELIMINATE WASTEFUL LIBERAL SPENDING LIKE THE 250 MILLION DOLLARS JUSTIN TRUDEAU SENT THE — CORRUPTION SCANDAL. THE ONLY PRIME MINISTER THAT’S EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF BREAKING THE LAW. AND HE LIED ABOUT IT. I WANT TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO AGAIN CALL ON JUSTIN TRUDEAU TO DO THE RIGHT THING. WE ARE FALLING AS A COUNTRY FURTHER BEHIND OUR TARGETS. >>WAS THAT EFFECTIVE? DID IT HURT JUSTIN TRUDEAU TONIGHT?>>NOT ATTENDING?>>NOT ATTENDING BUT WHAT SCHEER WAS DOING. >>I THINK SCHEER NEEDED TO ATTACK JUSTIN TRUDEAU WHICH WE SAW HIM DOING. TRUDEAU’S PRESENCE WOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER TO DO THAT. BUT HE HAD TO KEEP THAT LEVEL HEAD. I’D LIKE TO SEE HIM GET A BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE, BUT JAGMEET SINGH GOING AFTER TRUDEAU? HE TURNED HIS GUNS ON SCHEER MORE THAN I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO. >>JUSTIN TRUDEAU WAS SPEAKING IN EDMONTON. WE’LL GIVE HIM A LITTLE BIT OF A. >>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: CONSERVATIVES LIKE TO SAY THEY’RE FOR THE PEOPLE. BUT THEY CUT SERVICES FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. OTHER THAN DECIDING THEY MIGHT NEED TO SMILE MORE, THEY HAVE NO NEW IDEAS FOR CANADIANS. THEY STILL THINK YOU CAN CUT YOUR WAY TO PROSPERITY. BUT AS CANADIANS KNOW, THAT’S THE WRONG APPROACH TO TAKE. THAT’S WHY WE CHOSE TO MOVE CANADA FORWARD BY INVESTING IN FAMILIES, IN WORKERS, AND IN COMMUNITIES AND BY HAVING FAITH IN CANADIANS.>>SO THAT’S A FAMILIAR REFRAIN BY JUSTIN TRUDEAU. HE’S INVOKING DOUG FORD, TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PEOPLE, DOUG FORD USES THAT PHRASE ALL THE TIME. ONLY JAGMEET SINGH BROUGHT UP THE SPECTER OF DOUG FORD, THE ACHILLES HEEL — WERE YOU SURPRISED HIS NAME WASN’T MENTIONED?>>JUSTIN TRUDEAU ADDS IN OTHER POINTS HE’S RUNNING AGAINST HARPER, TRUMP. HE MENTIONED THEM AS MUCH AS — IT’S AN INTERESTING KIND OF DYNAMIC WHERE WE’RE SEEING HIM THINKING SCHEER’S PERSONA ISN’T AS DEFINED. >>IF HE’D BEEN AT THE DEBATE HE COULD HAVE — DONALD TRUMP IS WELL AWARE OF THAT IF HE’D BEEN ABLE TO BE AT THE DEBATE HE COULD HAVE EXPLAINED HIMSELF. AND EXPLAINED THE FACT THAT OF THE CANADIAN FAMILIES AND CORPORATIONS NAMED IN THE PARADISE PAPERS, HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN PROSECUTED.>>BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS EXACTLY WHERE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TONIGHT, NOT AT THE DEBATE IN TORONTO. HE ALREADY HOLDS TORONTO. HE NEEDS TO BE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE HE CAN GET VOTERS. WE’VE SEEN IT ON THE CLIP. HE’S A GREAT COMPANIER DESPITE ALL THE BAGGAGE — CAMPAIGNER.>>BACK TO MELANIE. >>THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. I WANT TO BRING IN AARON. TRENDS EXPERT WITH GOOGLE CANADA. WHAT HAVE CANADIANS BEEN SEARCHING ABOUT IN THE LAST COUPLE HOURS?>>ISSUES BREAK THROUGH THIS EVENING. TOP TRENDING ISSUE OVER THE COURSE OF THE DEBATE WAS CLIMATE CHANGE. THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DEBATE CLIMATE CHANGE KEPT COMING UP. SNC-LAVALIN, ISSUES RELATED TO THAT AS WELL. >>MENTIONED MORE THAN ONCE. INTEREST OVER TIME, WHEN YOU DO A BREAK DOWN, YOU SEE PEAKS AND VALLEYS. >>THAT’S RIGHT. WE’RE LOOKING AT A TRENDS GRAFT OF GOOGLE SEARCH INTEREST IN THE LEADERS. THAT RED LINE DOMINATED THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE DEBATE. THOSE ARE SEARCHES FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU. PEAK AT THE HIGHEST AT THE BEGINNING RIGHT WHEN — >>WHERE IS HE. >>YES. AND SEARCHES RELATED TO WHERE IS JUSTIN TRUDEAU. BUT YOU SEE THAT DELTA BETWEEN JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND THE OTHER LEADERS NARROW OVER THE COURSE OF THE DEBATE, AND YOU’LL SEE ANDREW SCHEER, REPRESENTED IN BLUE, ECLIPSE — >>WHAT PEOPLE ARE MENTIONING AND WHERE. >>THE MOST AMOUNT OF SEARCHES FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU OUT WEST. HE WAS IN ALBERTA. AS YOU BEGIN TO SCROLL DOWN, YOU’LL SEE SEARCHES WHERE JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS DOMINATED WEST WHERE HERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT ANDREW SCHEER, SEARCHES WERE LARGEST FOR HIM IN SASKATCHEWAN. IF YOU KEEP SCROLLING DOWN YOU’LL SEE JAGMEET SINGH, POPULARITY IN ONTARIO. THESE SORTS OF THINGS. THERE WAS A BIT OF GEOGRAPHIC DIFFERENTATION.>>I SHOULD MENTION ON TWITTER, THE NUMBER ONE TREND. STILL TRENDING, THE HASHTAG FIRST DEBATE. AND WE’LL BREAK IT DOWN FURTHER ON SOCIAL MEDIA OUTSIDE OF THIS BROADCAST WHAT EXACTLY PEOPLE WERE LOOKING FOR WHEN IT CAME THAT THE LEADERS. OKAY, AARON, THANK YOU SO MUCH. CHECK IN WITH COURTNEY NOW IN EDMONTON.>>Reporter: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE’RE HERE ON TREATY 6 LAND AT THE RIVER CREE RESORT. AND WITH SIX CHIEFS, THE QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, INFORMAL POLL, NOT ONE OF YOU FELT THAT ANDREW SCHEER TOOK THIS EVENING. THE QUESTION TO YOU IS WHAT DID HE SAY OR NOT SAY TO FAIL TO EARN YOUR SUPPORT?>>FOR MYSELF, HE ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS BUT HE WASN’T THOROUGH IN THEM. HE JUST KIND OF WISHY WASHY, DIDN’T GET RIGHT TO THE BASIS OF THE QUESTION. SHOULD JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION AND GO FROM THERE AND BE CLEAR ABOUT IT AND HE DIDN’T DO THAT. >>IS THAT THE CONSENSUS. D YOU GUYS AGREE WITH THAT?>>YEAH.>>YEAH. >>SECOND QUESTION, IT WOULD BE ABOUT THE EMPTY PODIUM TONIGHT, JUSTIN TRUDEAU OBVIOUSLY IN EDMONTON, NOT AT THE DEBATE. FOUR YEARS AGO HE SAID THAT HE WOULD RIGHT A LOT OF THE WRONGS AGAINST INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. I THINK IT’S FAIR TO SAY A MIXED BAG WITH THOSE RESULTS. BUT HOW DOES HE LOOK TONIGHT COMPARED TO WHAT WE HEARD ON THAT STAGE?>>I THINK HE LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. HE’S HERE IN TREATY 6 TERRITORY RIGHT NOW, THE MOST SEARCHED LEADER AT THIS POINT WITHOUT EVEN SHOWING UP. SO HE LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. THE OTHER LEADERS DIDN’T STANDOUT, ESPECIALLY Mr. SCHEER, MAKES HIMSELF LOOK MORE DETRIMENTAL WITH INDIGENOUS ISSUES. JUSTIN TRUDEAU AS MUCH AS HE STRUGGLED HE STILL INVESTED A LOT OF CAPITAL INTO DIFFERENT FIRST NATIONS. HE STILL HAS A LONG WAY TO GO WITH INDIGENOUS ISSUES. BUT AT THIS POINT, HIM NOT SHOWING UP TONIGHT, HE STILL LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. >>IS THAT THE UNIVERSAL AGREEMENT ON THE TABLE? AND THEN ONE FINAL QUESTION HERE, WE HEARD ABOUT THE UNITED NATIONS, THE TRIBUNAL. FIRST NATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE. THOSE WERE THE KEY ISSUES TONIGHT. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HEAR IN THE NEXT 38 DAYS FROM ALL FOUR LEADERS WITH RESPECT TO INDIGENOUS. WHAT WAS MISSED TONIGHT. >>UNFORTUNATELY WHAT’S ALWAYS MISSED, NOT JUST TONIGHT BUT IN PAST, WE HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON EVERY ISSUE. WE HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON ECONOMY. WE HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENT. WE HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON EVERY ISSUE THAT IMPACTS CANADIANS IN CANADA, WE’RE BEING MARGINALIZED, ONE TOPIC UNDER INDIGENOUS ISSUES. I THINK WE SHOULD BE INCLUDED ON EVERY TOPIC, WHETHER IT’S CLIMATE CHANGE, ENERGY, FOREIGN AFFAIRS. WE SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN ALL THAT DISCUSSION. >>HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT DAYS THOSE WILL BE — THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WITH US. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE TOP OF MIND FOR CANADIANS WHEN THEY HEAD TO THE POLLS. THAT’S IT FOR US HERE ON TREATY 6 TERRITORY. >>Cynthia: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ONE THING I’D LOVE TO DISCUSS IS BILL 21 AND THE RESPONSE TO BILL 21.>>THAT’S A TOUGH ISSUE FOR FEDERAL LEADERS. THE BILL IS POPULAR IN QUEBEC.>>Cynthia: AND EVERYBODY WANTS THE SEATS IN QUEBEC. >>WE HEARD SOME GOOD TALK, BUT NOT GOOD DECLARATIONS OF INTENT. SINGH POIGNANT, HAS TO CUT CLOSE TO THE HEART FOR HIM. I DON’T THINK WE’LL SEE ANYONE MOVE FAR IN THAT. IT’S A POPULAR MEASURE IN QUEBEC. I’S A HORRIBLE MEASURE. I THINK IT’S TERRIBLE IT’S NOT MORE OUTSPOKEN FROM LEADERS.>>FRANKLY THIS IS EMBARASSING. ARE WE A COUNTRY THAT VALUES THESE BUZZ WORDS? DO WE VALUE PEOPLE’S HUMANS RIGHTS? PEOPLE FREELY TO EXERCISE THEIR RELIGIONS? WE KEEP SAYING THAT. AND YET AN ENTIRE PROVINCE HAS DECLARED THAT’S NULL AND VOID IF YOU OUTWARDLY WEAR YOUR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, EXCEPT ONE. I CAN’T ACCEPT ANYTHING OTHER THAN WE’RE GOING TO FIGHT THIS OPPRESSIVE MOVE AGAINST PEOPLE’S HUMAN RIGHTS. FOR ALL CANADIANS, I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BE ABLE TO COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION THAT IF YOU’RE OF A DIFFERENT BACKGROUND, THEN YOUR OUTWARD EXPRESSION — WHAT YOUR RELIGION IS SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED, LEAST OF ALL THE GOVERNMENT SWORN TO PROTECT YOU.>>WE HAVE A MINUTE OR SO LEFT ON THE SNC-LAVALIN. IS IT GOING TO HAUNT JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND HURT HIM THROUGHOUT THIS CAMPAIGN. >>IT’S BEEN ON THE FRONT PAGE. THE FIRST DAY OF THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN — IS IT COMPLICATED? YES. WE’LL SEE CONSERVATIVES USING IT. CONTINUE TO DOG TRUDEAU. >>HIS POLLS DIPPED OVER THE SUMMER, BUT THEY’VE GONE BACK UP. DO YOU THINK VOTERS HAVE COME TO TERM WITH IT. >>I THINK THERE WAS LEFT FOCUS. MORE PRESSURE APPLIED BY REPORTERS AND OTHER LEADERS. I GUESS THERE’S MORE TO COME. >>ON THAT NOTE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO MY AMAZING PANEL HERE. WE’RE GOING TO WRAP UP. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING OUR ELECTION DEBATE. YOU CAN WATCH ONLINE AS THE LEADERS NOW TALK ABOUT HOW THEY FELT THEY DID DURING THIS ELECTION CAMPAIGN ON CITYNEWS.CA. SEE YOU ON ELECTION NIGHT, OCTOBER 21st. THANKS FOR WATCHING. [♪♪]

Maurice Vega

100 Responses

  1. NO RAISING TAXES JUST MAKE THE BIG BUSINESSES PAY THEIR FARE SHARE, NO TAX BREAKS, NO INCENTIVES THESE ARE IN THE BILLIONS OF $$$ AND THEN THE COMMON CANADIAN IS FORCED TO MAKE UP THE LOSS FROM TAX BREAKS AND TAX INCENTIVES…

  2. REMEMBER THAT CANADA IS LOCATED ON FIRST NATIONS LANDS…AND THIS IS HOW CANADA TREATS THEIR ALLIES…FIRST NATIONS LIVE ON LESS THEN O.3% OF THEIR VERY OWN HOME LANDS…

  3. For both Scheer and Singh, this is the first federal election for both of them—having been elected as leaders of their parties 5 months apart from each other in 2017. The question is which one of them had a better debate performance last night.

  4. VOTE THE LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES OUT…SHOW THEM THAT THERE ARE OTHER PARTIES IN CANADA…DO NOT VOTE LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE…

  5. The climate is going to change whether we "do something about it" or not BECAUSE that's what climate does, and pretending that it is within "people-kinds" purview to completely control the weather by raising taxes on jobless people AND THEN eliminate the use of fossil fuels to immobilize them and decrease access to their food supplies; is NOT progress.

  6. I Don't see how this "debate" is anything but a win for the Tories. NDP and Green can't hope for anything better than holding the balance of power in a liberal or conservative minority. Scheer is the only one of these 3 who stands a reasonable chance of becoming prime minister.

  7. Why were there so many kids who are uneligible to vote at Trudeau’s Edmonton rally? Nothing with this prime minister adds up properly

  8. Tax cuts for people in lower tax brackets means very little in your pocket as an everyday Canadian… for large corporations that make millions or billions a few percent means alot.

    A way to put money in everyday Canadians pockets is in social services such as pharmacare medication in addition vision and dental.. cheaper or free education, old age pension, pre school/day care etc to lower the costs of living! Saving 1000 on taxes is nothing compared to these.

    Not to mention the money put back into the economy when you don't have to pay for your kids tuition, or if you can leave university as a 22 year old and not have to pay back 50 thousand in loans, instead you can buy a house or car and other goods that STIMULATE the economy

  9. Jaghmeet tries to spin every point of scheers into some virtue signal opportunity saying it’s appalling or disrespectful… catch on quick and becomes annoying very fast

  10. Listening to Singh is painful. Guy talks out of both sides of his mouth and is clearly trying to pander to the largest possible base. He has no scruples. Also, he keeps using anecdotal conversations as leverage.
    "I was at this place talking to a woman…a woman WITH A BABY!!!! And she said she's concerned about the environment." Great Jugs. Keep it up. Morons! All of them!

  11. When it comes to doing the bidding of corporate interests (e.g. Big Oil) and the wealthy, the federal Liberal party has shown itself to be similarly servant to that of the big business and money orientated Conservative party.

    Western (what I call) corpocracies such as Canada and the U.S. have governances in which either of the two established political parties always kowtow to big business’s crippling threats of a large loss of jobs and economy; or corporate lobbyists writing bills for governing representatives to vote for and have implemented, often enough word for word. And, of course, almost all of our information is still either produced or shared with us by concentrated corporate-owned news-media.

    Indeed, I’d not be surprised if the federal NDP would be compelled to eventually act somewhat corpocratically if elected to govern. And what about the Greens? It's typically politically much easier to sit in the critic's or Opposition's chair.

    This corpocratic political reality may be why so many low-income citizens perceive futility in voting at all, let alone waiting in long lineups to do so.

    (Frank Sterle Jr.)

  12. Israel minimizes human casualties by killing innocent, unarmed children because they are living on the land that belongs to them. Israel is breaking international law and UN regulations. Get your facts straight conservatives!

  13. Ms. May was a disgraceful disrespectful harpy .. with that whining seagull caw voice, interrupting and not letting Mr. Scheer finish. This is a person who does not deserve our respect as she gives none to others..

  14. No wonder they didn’t invite Max. The moderator is a regular, so called, pundit on CBC who has slammed Max for leaving the CPC on multiple occasions.

  15. Just like in the last election, Elizabeth May is the only credible person in these debates (even if Trudeau was there). She's the only one that sounds real 99% if not 100% of the time. But just like then, no one will vote for her because most Canadians are still stuck in their red or blue partisan ways. Doing a little better than last time isn't going to cut it. No leader is perfect, no leader has ever been perfect, just like no one in the world is perfect, but she's our best bet not only for the environment but for having a more ethical government that's for the people and not corporations.

  16. "… In Canada, the right to ask questions is never bestowed by some authority, it belongs to everybody. HOWEVER , The right to expect honest ,forthright and accurate answers to questions asked is another matter altogether. HONK if you've got em ~!

  17. May is always bringing up the UN, does she forget that this the Canadian fed election and not a UN election? Singh doesnt know anything, he just blabs and blabs. Scheer is the only reasonable person who understands that we live in an oil and gas driven economy and this is what drives the Canadian economy. People can yell at the sky but unless we have some magical energy we are stuck with the traditional.

  18. Make Canada more affordable for all Canadians while at least not raising taxes : that's what each and every Canadian wants to hear and what I really doubt any of the candidates including the current PM can actually deliver.
    Politicians have to promise a better life to all Canadians : that's how the political game works and gaining political power is a big incentive to make big promises that the candidate knows they can't deliver.

  19. Andrew Scheer has a point when he says balancing the budgets should be a priority : how to pay for social programs when there's no money to pay for them?

  20. Trudeau’s such a great guy, he decided to give the other three a chance by not coming to the debate. Four more years!

  21. In my opinion I'm from Poland I don't vote in Canada I just seen this debate NDP is like comunist party 30 years back in our country. Good luck Canadians that your choice

  22. Elizabeth May, you forgot to reference the crucifix. Christians are irrelevant in your agenda. By the way, you will never be PM, but dream on.

  23. How can May say it any more clearly that Green has a thorough plan to tackle climate change at the level needed to divert catasrophe and yet still those interviewed don't credit her with taking it seriously??! Green is the ONLY party that has a plan that can tackle climate change without economy tanking so that we can salvage human life on this planet… though most definitely things are going to have to change a lot. We need to adopt a way of life that is in line with the laws of nature again.

  24. The 3 things all of the opposition leaders agree on:
    – Only Prime Minister guilty of the kind of thing that he did
    – Betrayed Canadians who voted Liberal
    – The fact that he’s trying to run away from his record

  25. Where's the ppc party considering they have a higher lead then both ndp and green party. And please don't let Trudeau give you our money. It's completely unethical and you can alienate you're viewers if you do. It's theft too.

  26. Who cares? Not one person or political party or journalist protested PPC ban from the debate. How corrupt or scared do you have to be to control free speech and a clean election in Canada?
    SHAME all around
    Didn't watch debate irrelevant event untruthful folks

  27. Carbon tax is a tax on poverty. Fact : Canada's biggest polluting corporations are given carbon tax exemptions. Fact : those who are most impacted by the carbon tax are those who cannot afford to pay for it. Fact : those who profit the most out of the carbon tax are the wealthiest, those who can afford to buy expensive Tesla cars and get carbon tax breaks. Fact : Carbon tax did not have any impact on how average Canadians consume gas. Fact : Even with the most aggressive carbon tax rates proposed by the Liberal government, Canada is no where near it's Paris accord agreement.

  28. What is this some cheap talk show with $20 stands oh my gosh this is a leader The Bait & Barrel Racing no people in the crowd why does it look well for what is a Dollarama oh my goodness how embarrassing

  29. I'm impressed with how prepared Elizabeth May was with her fact checking on other parties and counter remarks. I didn't go in thinking much of the Green Party but by far May has the most comprehensive platform and was the most prepared for this debate. The PC party is definitely bending over backwards for votes.. Scheer threw out a lot of fluff ideas and buzz words but not enough definitive details about their plans. Pretty shady if you ask me. Hope all the candidates show up for the next debate.

  30. Aboriginal people getting more funding when I was in university I have to wait in line for books and sometimes they're just not available for the Aboriginal people in the University of Manitoba they get their own floor with their own councillors as very beautifully decorated lots of money I'm sure went into that they get their books picked for them their tuition paid their lodging paid they pay for nothing they don't contribute into our society I have to work hard I have to go into debt I have to wait in line for books plays I think we've given the Aboriginal community enough start to cut

  31. This is why I haven't voted in over 25 years all three of these idiots in this debate my goodness is this what Canadians think my goodness pathetic

  32. We need to revamp the Aboriginal thing we need to revamp our immigration laws these are two things that are huge and our welfare system we need to revamp as well this is crazy no one is talking about these at all from what one NDP person told me some years ago these three items are blacklisting items that's why you'll never hear anyone talk about this crazy how corrupt is Canadian government is

  33. There is no climate crisis zero evidence for people you're brainwashed worse than the Americans. Global cooling then they found out that it's not cooling now it's global warming it wasn't global warming now it's just climate change my gosh the biggest scam in history is the climate change for the global warming and Cooling bunch of bull the people please look at some real scientist some real science behind us and said of some idiot on a microphone talking about it

  34. that un thing sounds pretty racist to me, what the heck happened to Mr kings idea of "i dream of a day when men looked at the contents of a persons character not the color of their skin",

  35. Why do these left-,leaning politicians seem to think people need to depend on government programs? Its like the platform of their policies.

    Listen, give me a working economy, and equal opportunity and I'll make it for myself. Thank you

  36. Since Max Bernier was not allowed to speak there was no leadership debate.
    Paul Wells is a liberal lackey.
    Only Max and the PPC can bring real change to Canada 🇨🇦!

  37. follow the dollars, studies are funded by government, scientist are paid for a result of fake , bogyman global warming, only thing real is a unnecessary carbon tax on the people,the carbon tax grab must go, also teach ndp, pc,and liberals a lesson, we want a government for the people ,, vote PPC

  38. Andray Domise who works for MacClean’s said he hopes that PPC members crash on their way home. Wrote to MacClean’s twice never got a reply.,

  39. Scheer is incredibly dangerous for Canada. Unequivocal support for Israel, noncooperation with international community re. Climate change, decrease social spending, increase military spending. Everything that we Canadians DON’T want

  40. Elizabeth May was the strongest on this showing
    Solid as usual
    Wish to see more May and I hope she will be our PM. With Jagmeet as leader of opposition!
    Love NDP and Singh too but as a physician I don’t appreciate the NDP narrative on doctors vs workers and play us physicians as the evil sharks in the health care system. Although health is provincial the ideology bothers me a bit.
    Best of luck to us voters! ABC anyone but conservatives!

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