I love this conversation about identity politics too. I’ve just written on Facebook a couple days ago, right after the midterm election, I think something interesting happened. You know, Jared Polis won as Democratic governor of Colorado. The funny thing was, the day after he won, all the headlines were, you know, “America elects its first male gay governor”. Right? So the identity politics were coming out in full force. The funny thing is, when I was looking at all the forums, from all of the people who either voted for him or did not vote for him, the number one thing I kept seeing repeated over and over again was, “Wait he’s gay? Cool!”. Like the identity politics didn’t factor into the build up to the election, but it became one way to interpret the election once it already happened. And I saw that as a healthy use of identity politics. Because, you know, Jonathan Haidt, who we talked about earlier, he oftentimes talks about how when he went to a liberal arts school, and I think it was the 1980’s he says, he was taught a wide selection of different lenses that he could put on, one at a time, to enact reality, and see, you know, look at things from different perspectives. And all of those lenses were useful, insofar as they went. The problem comes when we only choose one of those lenses as being the primary lens that we’re enacting reality through. And this has become the problem with identity politics. I think it’s completely fine, after someone like Polis wins, to write a headline acknowledging the fact that he’s the first male gay Governor. I think that’s cool, because I think there are, you know, groups of people out there who have a history of oppression and marginalization. And this is a sign because — because you know talk about the starting line and the finish line of the race, Jared Polis was an example of someone who made it over the finish line. There was an equitable result here, and hey, guys, that’s good news for gay America, there is a good reason to celebrate here. But acknowledge it and then let it go because there’s so many more important facets to this story, including his policies and all of that. So I was encouraged when I saw that story, as being like, well, here is a case where identity politics could have dominated the build up to the election, but they really only came into play after the election, as sort of an interpretive device for the election. And I thought that was fine, I thought that was healthy, because we didn’t get stuck on it. Identity politics is important in a developmental sense, because, again, just using the very simplified broad waves of development, from egocentric to ethnocentric to worldcentric to integral, everybody goes through those ethnocentric stages, everybody goes through an “identity politics” stage. And they’re absolutely crucial for personality formation. It’s something that has to be kept in mind as we move towards a global world federation, that we still have to have people develop their identities. And so there’s still some role for nation states to help get them from ethnocentric towards world centric, and then start identifying with global humanity. But we can only do these things sort of one step at a time, so these are important. What we have to be very careful about is that identity politics recognizes that it works only if it understands it’s part of a worldcentric unity-in-diversity. It can’t be just diversity. That’s tribal association, that’s everything humanity fought against to end bigotry and slavery. None of those got ended when we were at ethnocentric stages of development. They were all heightened, and cases of wars, and serfdom, and slavery, and misogyny, and you name it. Now we got out of all of those by moving to worldcentric. And if we now just start reemphasizing identity politics, ethnocentric, we’re cutting under that great worldcentric umbrella of moral fairness for all. And that’s a disaster. And that’s part of what’s happening right now. So we have to really be careful about that. And the far right and the far left, neither one of those are helping. They’re both sort of sucking into that identity politics tribal orientation. And that’s really a problem. If you see it as part of an ongoing embrace of a broader identity that allows you to see what all tribes have in common, and how we all should be treated fairly regardless of race, color, sex, or creed then it’s great, and every person should be proud of their ethnic orientation, their sex, their identity, whatever it is.