Government: Earth

The infinit yes presents What is a true government? Government represents nothing more than the processes that control how decisions are made within a society. Today, monarchies and dictatorships are widely recognized as socially destructive forms of government, because one person being entrusted with total power inevitably leads to corruption. So people fought for, and won, the right to choose their leaders, and not just one leader, but bodies of leaders, assemblies of decision makers that would, in theory, represent the interests of the people who elected them. It was a beautiful idea, and it was certainly better than any system that it replaced, but times continue to change and we are beginning to see more clearly now some of the problems with representative democracy. But let me backtrack here quickly and talk again about government. Think about this for a second: While the rules and laws which are set down by our elected officials do have major effects on how we live our lives the biggest governor on what we do, how and when we do it, and how we make all of our decisions is – money and our access to money. When we get right down to the basics, our planet’s environment, its resources, and how they are distributed and maintained is controlled completely by the flow of money. If you want to buy something, it depends on how much money you have, if you want to go somewhere it depends on how much money you have, if you want to do almost anything, it depends on how much money you have. Truly, today, we are governed not by our elected officials, but by our economic class system. This type of extreme inequality which is prevalent in the United States yet presents itself accross the world is completely unsustainable, and not to mention unnatural, and by that I mean not in sync with the forces of nature. However, like I said before, decisions of elected officials can and do have major effects on our lives. Unfortunately, like us, our elected officials have become governed by money. The influence of international banks over the UN and all of the world’s most influential governments and decision makers is undeniable. When we utilize the game of monetary exchange and accumulation to manage our resources, by default, we put more power into the hands of people with more money. In our current system, this has allowed wealthy international bankers to gain major influence over our elected representatives through campaign contributions and lobbyists, and even over the popular opinion of the public, through major media control and advertising. Many people believe that these things don’t affect them, and they are immune, but the fact is that everyone is affected, myself included, for no one can separate themselves from their environment. And we see a lot of advertising. Even if we go back to the ideal form of representative democracy, behind a bureaucratic facade, we really just have the election of hierarchical rotating monarchies. The problem with monarchy is that the concentration of decision making power into one individual inherently corrupts that person, and history has shown that this also seems to apply when power is concentrated into groups of people, as it is in a representative democracy. As well, a voter is always forced to compromise when they elect a ‘representative’, because of the inherent limitation in choices. Be it a two party system or a ten party system, the chances of there being a candidate who represents all of your ideas are slim to none, yet when you vote for them you have to vote for all of their ideas. The apathy towards voting, we witness in many people around us, shows us that people are feeling the futility of this now almost purely symbolic action. When people vote, and see that nothing changes, they naturally conclude that there is no purpose in voting. To sum up, representative democracy is a system in which instead of having one corrupt ruler make our decisions, we elect corrupt groups of people to make our decisions. And let me quickly make the point, that it’s not that the public is making the wrong decisions in electing corrupt people. The problem is that power corrupts. And absolute power corrupts absolutely. I gave him the only thing a poor person has – and that’s a vote. And I expect the answer, If he doesn’t do that, then we’ll know and we can all grieve because America is dead. The America that John Adams had dreamed up when he said that noble men were just as important as the small men, when he said we deserve clean air, we deserve clothes on our back – it’s gone. And what do we get? We get lies, we get commissions, we get meetings, we get hearings but for God’s sake, Jesus did not hold a commission about the lepers, he went out and helped them. We need to implement a system that allows for maximum freedom of action in all areas of life. Many people today advocate a direct democracy. This is one method of electing ideas, rather than leaders. The thinking behind direct democracy of course, is that the “one man-one vote” paradigm provides the maximum amount of freedom and participation for the individual. The problem is that while this allows for equal participation, it does not allow for maximum participation or freedom for that matter. For it also doesn’t always lead to the best conclusions. Direct democracy is vulnerable to mob rule, and could quickly turn into a tyranny of a majority over the minority. There are…. [ringing] There are countless other systems of referendum based democracy advocated by many different groups, but the problem with most of these systems but the problem with most of these systems is that they still utilize money as their method of resource distribution. Even under strict guidelines, money presents every person with the goal of wealth accumulation, which as I said, incentivizes greedy behaviour, and though people may be born with a genetic disposition for greedy behaviours, studies have shown that gene expression is largely based on environmental triggers. For example, a person who may be born with the genetic markers that can produce sociopathy, but it would take some kind of precipitate action to elicit actual sociopathy in that person. That is why throughout history, in any form of monetary system, no matter what the controls are, some people always find ways to circumvent them, to gain power and dominance because that is what the environment encourages. That is why money, when utilized, ultimately becomes our true governor. In order to maximize freedom, our social construct must take into account. Every person, every resource, every park and tree. Through a completely holistic resource management system, we can align our actions with nature, understand and work with it rather than battle against it. In this type of system there is no need for money, because people are provided for equally and maximally, with the only true government on this, being the earth, and our current technological capabilities. This is called a “Resource Based Economy”, because it focuses on the intelligent management of resources. Now, you may be asking “So, who makes the decisions in this ‘holistic resource management system’?”, and it’s an important question, because as I’ve been saying, making our decisions based on people’s opinions of what’s ‘best’ doesn’t work. What’s actually ‘best’ is determined by the only true governors of our actions: the sustainability of our planet, its environment, including humans and their needs for freedom, dignity, respect, equality, and most importantly, the ability to participate in society and in the decision making process, which, again, is governed not by opinion, but by holistic, sustainable, egalitarian values, coupled with what we, as a species, actually have on our planet and are capable of doing, together. By removing money as our governor, and replacing it with these attributes, we can build a truly sustainable society, since people’s actions would no longer be despotic, self-serving, profit-oriented and short-sighted, but rather would be aimed at the common good, because without having to direct our energies towards working, often at completely useless jobs, in order to ‘earn our living’, every person would become free to explore new ideas, investigate, suggest things, try new things, be creative, see what works best, free to study and test their own ideas and the ideas of others and of course, vice versa, creating a totally non-centralized system of data gathering. Once the data is gathered, volunteers freely associated (meaning anyone who wants to participate, can, as much or as little as they want, and with whomever they want) can collate that data on a global level, finding the best solutions to technical problems and disseminating that information freely to everyone. How these freely associated people take that data and use it is entirely up to them. So this creates a whole new set of worldwide experiments upon which more information is gathered, which produces a continuous progress loop. In short, this system can be summed up as: the election of ideas using the scientific method to achieve maximum freedom and sustainability on this planet. This is the system proposed and advocated by the Zeitgeist Movement and the Venus Project. There are two kinds of people in this world, people who got no dreams, people who got dreams and don’t do nothing about it and people who go out and fulfill their dreams. I don’t know about you but I’m the third kind. So you gonna help me out or not? And I want more than anything, my children to know I fought with everything I had, every single thing I had, not to lose not one more time. Written and Edited by: Aaron Moritz

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100 Responses

  1. @Xeletoph

    yeah man i'm definitely a supporter of the zeitgeist movement. I give the links to TVP and TZM sites at the end of the vid. thanks for the nice words man :).

  2. @6strngstrnglr
    "SO GO GODBLESSING F#$% OFF!!!" haha thanks that made my day.
    "COMMUNISM DOESN'T NOT WORK" okay — debatable but ultimately irrelevant
    "WHAT YOU'RE SELLING, AND AS YOU ARE AWARE, IS EVIL." I sell nothing. I get no profit from video, and i run my website at a loss. sorry bud, s'not evil, it's just information

  3. @ruriod that's a complex question that takes more than 500 characters to answer because there are multiple scenario's which could play out.

    One set plan would be detrimental to a movement that encourages constant change and revision. 'bringing this about' is a complex issue that will require continual problem solving and a constant flow of new ideas from people who want to see this change.

    right now the best thing i can do is inform ppl about the possibilities.

  4. @ruriod yes, i am a member of the zeitgeist movement, an organization dedicated to spreading these ideas, this video is just my attempt at some small input.

    i am definitely in agreement that our social networks online are very important, and with improved technology, I see them already (check out open source ecology) flourishing into the 'real' world, bringing this web of humanity into something more tangible, of 'mutual aid and support' as you put it.

    Interesting times, my friend.

  5. The one thing this gentleman seems to be missing is we don't vote for a leader & their views. We vote for people that will implement our views. Sadly, He and most people have been brainwashed into believing that we do vote for a person and that person's view. This allows them to get away with carrying out their own agenda, instead of the people's. Our Country is NOT a representative democracy. It's a republic ruled by the VAST MAJORITY, 75% or more. Not the majority, 51%. A very real difference.

  6. @tgrove2 we do not propose taking anything away from anyone, we propose providing for more people using technology and rationality.

  7. @tgrove2 the biblical account of creation is demonstrably false. i trust in the scientific method because it requires proofs, evidences, and tests.

    God meets none of those standards, and hence I don't believe in God. I acknowledge the possibility, though, however small.

  8. @tgrove2 i don't have to know why nature is uniform, only that it appears to be, for all practical purposes, to accept observational science. the same science that is allowing us to converse, the same science that disproves biblical creation.

  9. @tgrove2 it's not an assertion, it's an observation. the world, as far as we can test, see, and communicate with one another, is uniform. I don't know in what context you are asking me to 'account' for it, but i don't feel i need to. it is there, apparently. if observation changes that, then so be it.

    gravity will be the same because it has always been the same. at least since newtons time, we've tested and tested it over and over and it doesnt change, so i presuppose it will stay that way.

  10. @tgrove2 no i am not. i am saying that repeatable scientific observation gives us insight into the nature of things. your immortality strawman was a good try, but in the same way that gravity has been observed, so has the death of every single human being on this planet. for your comparison to work, you would have to be so insane that you forget you are a human.

    i'm for having a rational discussion, but if you're going to project, make false associations, and put words in my mouth, i'm done.

  11. @tgrove2 nobody has already decided, the most efficient means possible will be deduced through science, and constantly updated, since science is constantly updating.

  12. @tgrove

    intelligence, logic, information, and knowledge are abstract concepts. you continuously ask me to 'account' for them, but i don't know what you mean by that word. they are simply words (symbols) we made up to name phenomena that we have observed. nothing needs to be accounted for.

  13. @tgrove2 i don't have blind faith in science, i have seen science work, and give the best answer with the information available time and time again, and have therefore reached the conclusion that it is the best method we have for approximating truth. it's not 'that it appears to be', its that, as a method, it works.

    evolution is not random, this is a complete misrepresentation of the idea.

    and finding things science hasn't answered yet doesn't prove that it is wrong about what it has answered

  14. @tgrove2

    creationism may offer a surface explanation for all those things, but how does it explain the fossil record, homology, dna, and every other piece of evidence we have that supports evolution?

  15. @tgrove2 the point i was making with homology, dna, and fossils, is the clear, hierarchical structure that shows a branching evolution from the first single celled organisms to todays humans. this is what the evidence shows. i'm not sure what you mean by 'evidence speaks now', but it seems appropriate to the case for evolution.

    as for the idea of a world-wide flood, this has long been shown to be impossible, at least as portrayed in the biblical account..

  16. @tgrove2 now no offense, but i'm done debating creationism with you, so just to let you know, unless you have specific rebuttals to any points made in the video, i won't be responding.

    i'm sorry ii just don't have time to debate creationism. the free marketers keep me busy enough on my capitalism video, and they at least sometimes have legitimate arguments. this is just sad.

  17. @saydaysago2008 God helps babes, etc. etc. and numbbrained creationist can't convince him/her/it…he KNOWS IT ALL because the bible told him so….he also believes that the world is flat as well….it's his creationist world, leave him alone..

  18. @tgrove2 Just stay in your blood bath of corruption and war! The grave truth IS THE TRUTH and nothing your bible-ridden ignorant little world you stay in will change that for you. This vidio POINTS OUT FACTS! It must really be nice to stay in your blissfully ignorant world of conformity and slavery you're not even aware of. The decaying civilization must really turn you on…you seem satisfied with the way things are, TGROVE2. This video is for those who are SICK of SICK SOCIETY u seem to like

  19. @saydaysago2008 Brilliant as usual saydaysago2008. I love the way you know how to put together information so concisely – the way I very rarely see…Thank God you're on board with us!

  20. @willywillyization thanks for all the nice comments on my vids, man, it means a lot, really, but lay off this guy, getting defensive doesn't help anything

  21. @tgrove2 assertions? no, i was speaking of evidence. you can 'reason' almost anything. it's called a hypothesis. i could easily reason why we must be either space-aliens, or living in a computer simulation, but i would have no proof. just as you have no proof for god.

    and again, i'm done debating this, so if you want to learn about the cambrian explosion, read up on it. but here's a hint. we don't know. that's the beauty of science. we don't pretend to know everything because of one book.

  22. @tgrove2 interesting. your original posts seemed to be from the perspective of someone who hadn't heard of the movement. now you make it clear that you have already had discussion with other members. intellectual dishonesty, anyone?

    now, i presented you with facts, that you can choose to verify or not, but saying i ran away, when you just refuse to accept my answers, makes you look bad, tbh.

  23. @tgrove2 i said 'in theory', because in school, they teach us that these people we elect are there to represent us. we are taught that we live in a representative democracy. you can semantisize all you want with the word 'republic', because thats what they called it back then. I know full well that the country was never set up to support the people, but the wealthy land owners, but most people don't.
    popular delusion is what i was describing here.

  24. @rmack08409 haha listening back, i hear ya. especially the beginning of this vid… i think i've gotten better though.

  25. the world's population is better off then it has ever been but people by design have to believe that it was at one point better or that we could improve it in the future. this is the myth that every human subscribes to, it happens with every generation in early adulthood. it is part of the human condition and can be found expressed in our art and literature for thousands of years. look up Joseph Campbell if you are interested.

  26. @noleftturnunstoned i agree. i like what i've heard from campbell already, a few great talks, ad i look forward to more.

    i am simply speaking of an improved future, not a static one (though forgive me if you weren't implying that).

  27. Egalitarian is a wonderful way of saying 'Socialist' and your philosophy, broken down in to simple terms is Every resource, is shared equally, so if I create a new type of fuel, I share it with everyone else, you share your corn with everyone, this guy shares his stuff, etc. Everyone is equal. Sounds good, but it lacks one thing. Individualism. What if I don't want to be like everyone else. What if I want to earn a better living, or not share my stuff? What happens than? and WTF is a REEZOURSE

  28. dude ure pointing out that are someother issues begining and results of another issues …. if u can just makie it as powerful as the outlines of video … the power is to do good… forget all the korrupted ones… think ur wording is meant to give them power and taking it ure some what bigger than they are.. get it.. our government is doing ok… and the people summit to it or they wont is up to them and how much of the sumitting and are understood theyre bound themselves up with…

  29. @David1173 You have a very valid question about individualism. There are many detailed answers to that topic that can be found at The Zeitgeist Movement Global/US website, under the heading FAQ – Venus FAQ — might I suggest a search on the page for "individual" using CTRL-F — it comes up 24 times — and I apologize if you already knew about using CTRL-F to do a search, some don't so just trying to be helpful, not be condescending. Peace!

  30. @David1173 "What if I don't want to be like everyone else. What if I want to earn a better living, or not share my stuff? What happens than?"
    David, do you currently work for a living? (yes i'd imagine), Do you enjoy your passtime activites and social group? Do you love what you do with your time, at work and off work?
    In this system there is no need to "earn" anything, because you have the time you would use at a job to persue whatever you wished. ideas arent mandated, they are made availa

  31. @David1173 "'i feel there are legitimate aspects to both individualist and collectivist philosophies, and i find it sad that people need to identify with one or the other. obviously we're a collective of individuals."

  32. @David1173 Do you mean to tell me that the only way you identify yourself as an individual is by how much you own, or how little you share? That's astonishing…

  33. @David1173 you are very mistaken – equality increases productivity and creativity -thus individuality – if you are free from coerced labor and are free to volunteer for labor based on mutual need and for its intrinsic worth to you individualy – in a resource based economy – every one has acsess to evreything they want -with very little labor and limited only by the sustainable resources available -or the caring capacity of the earth -search zietgiest movement orientation for a basic summary

  34. each individual must defend his right and not a government. I can say that capitalism is like a poker game. Your gain depends of you raise bet

  35. @Achokiador hi! your comment makes me wonder, do you think there could possibly be any other mechanisms of reward and motivation that could be harnessed by a human culture in place of money, ways for people in a society to get something back for what they put in, but without the endless hierarchies created by the market system.

  36. Obviously in this resource based economy, scarcity will become more prevalent than it is now. Even if it does not, how will resources be allocated efficiently to without prices to guide them? Who gets what and why.

  37. @snarfels actually, a RBE is a 'post-scarcity' economic model. look it up on wikipedia for more in depth information.

    to quickly answer your allocation question the best i can, everyone has equal access to all goods that can possibly be produced given our planetary resources and scientific understandings.

  38. @saydaysago2008
    Economics is literally the study of the efficient allocation of scarce resources. Capitalism does not create scarcity, if there is scarcity due to current technology or scientific understanding, price action works to eliminate scarcity by providing incentives to meet consumer demand. The U.S's oil reserves were estimated at something like 16b barrels in the 70's. People KNEW there was 16b for a fact. But, Capitalism proved them wrong. Price action, you do the research.

  39. The only problem being, uninformed, clueless and/or selfish "votes" can't and shouldn't be weighed as heavily into decisions as the more-informed, intelligent, and considerate opinions. That's how we got here.

  40. @Achokiador you wont receive any more goods, but you will receive the satisfaction of creating something. All unrewarding dead-end jobs will be automated. so therefore any jobs you would have would be completely out of choice not necessity, it would stem from your education which would probably be science related. Our morals and goals will be changed in this society so we wouldn't see it as working for free but as bringing the human race forward… plus we always get a kick out of showing off 😉

  41. @saydaysago2008 Do you know about "parecon" ? (participatory economics)
    It's an economic system based on consumer and worker councils that make production and distribution decisions in a participatory manner.
    An interesting thing about this system is it's remuneration for effort and sacrifice (instead of for capital, power, prestige, etc.)

  42. One of it's ("parecon") strengths and also weakness is that it does not rely on cybernated/automated systems to function. This makes it slower overall but also directly implementable and from there on it is easy to get the work done required for a completely holistic cybernated post-scarcity system.

  43. @Ihas3pair i've heard about it in my travels through different zeitgeist and rbe resources, but haven't taken the time to look into it. i'm very interested in all manner of solutions though, where do you recommend i start learning about it? got any links to a nice summary video or website?


  44. there is a lot that is wrong with this video.

    how do you provide for people equally without money? it is impossible.

    if person A takes a 60" tv and person B takes a new dining room set, have they both been provided for equally?

    the ONLY way to provide equally is to measure production in COMMON units (such as labor time) and then allocate those units equally

  45. @kajmobile color me confused.. how does distribution via money provide equally. the people with less access to money (like say, many africans, or, homeless people) have less access to goods. money blocks people from having equal access because you need to compete to get it.

    under a resource based economy, people would have access to all of their needs without debt, barter, or payment. It's a gift economy where production produces an abundance (post-scarcity), removing the need to ration via $.

  46. @saydaysago2008 if you price everything you produce equal to the amount of labor hours it took to produce, totaled the price of everything you produced and allocated that total equally to everyone as income, then and ONLY then will everyone have equal consumption access

    all companies would be publicly owned. so it wouldnt be a capitalist economic system where u had to sell ur labor. ur income is guaranteed.

  47. @saydaysago2008 post scarcity and full automation doesnt exist. so building an economy based on it is pointless.

    but if you used money to ration equally and you did reach a post scarcity future, money is not going to get in the way of that. it would just mean people would have more income than they can spend.

    and at that point it would be appropriate to talk about alternatives. but talking about post scarcity today isnt going to help anyone

  48. @saydaysago2008 if you allocated income equally in the US, it would amount to $127,000 per year, enough to make everyone wealthy. that is an indisputable mathematical fact that people can embrace. and you can demonstrate the ability to eventually automate half of all jobs which means you can cut the work week in half.

    but nobody is going to embrace the idea of making everything free and refusing to pay workers because they rightfully see that as fantasy

  49. @saydaysago2008 also ur take on democracy is wrong. democracy is about power over SUBJECTIVE decisions, not technical decisions

    democracy is a society organized on the principles of Freedom, Equality and Science

    it means every1 has the FREEDOM 2 pursue whatever lifestyle they want, everyone has an EQUAL power to build that lifestyle and the purpose of SCIENCE is to make those lifestyles possible

    it means real equality: equal votes, equal ownership in the economy, equal pay 4 equal effort

  50. @kajmobile
    From my observations, giving people equal income can never result in equal access. Some people will need to spend all that income on medical care, and wouldn't have enough for any recreation, while another family might be able to spend it all on recreation. By using any sort of method of exact tracking (money, credits, etc) we inherently end up with disproportionate distribution.

    Even if such emergency things like health care are taken care of, rationing leads to inequality.

  51. @kajmobile
    I don't want to build an economy 'based' on post-scarcity, I want to build an economy that will CREATE post-scarcity. Money does get in the way of that, because in order for money to have any value, it needs to be scarce. In a situation like you describe (everyone making more income than they can spend, using money becomes valueless and pointless, no?

  52. @kajmobile if we could take transitional steps like that, i am in full support, though they still have many problems, they are ten miles ahead of where we are now.

  53. @kajmobile sure, and i agree, the problem is that now all of societies technical decisions are being determined by our pseudo democratic state.

    A true democracy over truly subjective decisions would have very little power to do anything, since so few social decisions are subjective and not technical. mostly small, local decisions that should be made by a community, not a large country wide vote.

  54. @saydaysago2008 medicine is not a market good. it would be paid for thru tax. so everyone would pay for healthcare equally. it is not fair for healthy people to pay less than sick people. sickness is not something people go out and buy.

    it is bizarre that u think measuring production and allocating it equally will create unequal distribution and not measuring production and pretending it is equally distributed will create equal distribution

    if we both spend $5,000, we both consumed equally

  55. @kajmobile hmm. but what if you spend your 5000 on a hot tub and i spend it on a tv and couch. how is that equal?

  56. @saydaysago2008 money does not get its value from being scarce! it gets its value by being accepted as payment

    $100 is valuable because it buys $100 in stuff, not because $100 bills are rare

    in the future when everyone has more money than they can spend AND you have enough automation so u no longer need to pay people to work, money becomes pointless.

    so at that point and only at that point can u get rid of it

    but that is several decades or centuries in the future

  57. @kajmobile sorry, you are correct. in our current monetary system, money needs to be scarce to have value. this is not intrinsic in any medium of exchange, even if it has been historically true of every medium of exchange to date, we could concievably create money that does not rely on it's own scarcity for valuation.

  58. @saydaysago2008 i disagree. i would say the vast majority of decisions are subjective. all of the decisions on what to produce are subjective and those are most of the decisions we make.

    u only vote for candidates for office occasionally. but you vote with your money every day. your dollar vote determines what the economy produces. that is the most important democratic power you have, the power to decide what gets produced based on how you spend your money.

  59. @saydaysago2008 all production comes from labor. so the cost of everything produced is how much of our labor hours it took to make.

    if $1 = 1 labor hour and if we both get access to $5000 labor hours worth of production, we both are getting equal access to our productive capacity.

    u may spend ur $5000 labor hours differently than i do, but we are both consuming EQUAL amounts of labor hours

    if it takes 5000 labor hours to make a tub and 5000 to make a tv & couch, then they r both equal in cost

  60. @saydaysago2008 "if we could take transitional steps like that, i am in full support, though they still have many problems, they are ten miles ahead of where we are now. "

    that is y u need to start making videos on replacing capitalism with democracy where people r paid equally which is something people will embrace

    and stop making videos on an RBE which people think is communism and on making everything free and refusing to pay people to work which everyone thinks is complete fantasy

  61. @kajmobile right, i understand the math, and that's fine.. how can i rephrase my question so that you see the point i'm making….

    how does a person who already spent their $5000 have equal access to goods than someone who hasn't? they can't, correct? if someone saves $1000 every month, after ten months they will have an extra 10,000 worth of access available to them as compared to someone else.

  62. @kajmobile nowhere has 'refusing to pay people' ever been discussed. that's a sad misrepresentation man, come on. the idea is that people would be paid with their DIRECT ACCESS to goods and services, rather than the satellite access of money. and it's not making things 'free'. free is only a worthwhile concept when some things aren't 'free'. when everything is 'free' 'free' ceases to exist as a meaningful term.

  63. @kajmobile decisions on what to produce are the least subjective. if people vote with their dollars to build gas guzzling hummers, should we build them? no because the technical requirements of meeting the transport needs of the population demand that we do not use such silly methods, whther the people subjectively desire them or not. we need to base production on what can actually be produced in physical reality to meet everyones needs, not what people think they want.

  64. @saydaysago2008 if we each get paid $12,000 per year and i spend $1000 of it per month and you spend all $12,000 of it on the last day of the year, we still have spent EXACTLY the same amount. it does not matter when you spend your money.

    saving money doesnt give u more money, it just changes the time when u spend it.

  65. @snarfels i have, the idea that price action offers any valuable advancement of scarcity elimination is suspect, at best. the intrinsic motivation of completing a task is, and always has been, the reason that problems get solved. this works, often in spite of, price.

  66. @saydaysago2008 people could care less how their cars are powered. how power is produced is a technical decision. nobody is going to demand gas. but people will demand certain modes of transit over others and certain designs of cars over others and that their primary method of transportation be private, be on demand, be something that they can access right out their front door and be able to travel more than 30 miles without running out of power

  67. @saydaysago2008
    That is a very naive opinion indeed, friend.
    An oil company responds to massive surge in price of oil, and spends hundreds of millions of dollars given by wealthy investors looking to turn a profit. From this invested money the oil company hires thousands of employees to research more efficient oil extraction techniques. Engineers who would otherwise have been researching something else are now here, due to higher demand, and more importantly, the rise of oil prices.

  68. @saydaysago2008 cont…
    The oil company will keep researching ways of reducing the cost of oil extraction until the savings per barrel of oil are no longer greater than the cost of research per barrel of oil. Not only does price action combat scarcity directly as i just described, it also takes labor and resources away from other sectors of the economy with lower demand. This is called efficiency, price action guides resources to where they are most demanded.

  69. @saydaysago2008 watch?v=Pd60nYW577U is an OK introduction.
    parecon*org is the best resource for parecon info.
    Alternatively you can read debates on Zcommunication*org -> Znet -> debates.

  70. I would love to see this happen, but it will never happen the cruel addicted to money minds will not allow it to happen, the governments are too corrupted all over the world to allow this to happen, we need a worldwide revolution right now!! because the situation in the world is getting worse not by days but by hours!!

  71. A holistic society based on equitable resource distribution, egalitarianism exemplified. Good luck with that. To wit: the greed seemingly emblazoned into the very genetic code of, in particular, humans seems to expose the lie of such a utopian system ever functioning.

  72. @wisdomtrek and how do know this if never lived in such a economy, and nobody said this would be a utopia that is a misconception

  73. @Bigsteelguy3 if income in the US was allocated equally, everyone would get $135k which would make everyone wealthy. but it does not eliminate scarcity. scarcity is real and exists and if people could demand anything they want, they would demand far more than we can produce.

    we can also eliminate 55% of current jobs with automation, but if we stopped paying people to work, we would not have enough volunteers to fill the remaining 45% of jobs.

    money is a necessity.

  74. @kajmobile thats nonsense. you already asuming somthing and we didnt even try anything yet. what gives you the idea that we dont have any volunteers. believe it or not there are people who acually give a damn about others becuase they need help and not just because they are getting paid. we are raised and conditioned to support this bullshit system. money doesnt clothe, feed, or shelter you so it is NOT a necessity its an excuse. but of course like big steel said its hard to see

  75. @saydaysago2008 Hi Aaron, your Bribe Mentality video was viewed 100 times over a period of 30h and i allowed me to actually make some connections with TZMpoland! all thanks to you 🙂 I've already uploaded this one as well, so keep up the good work and i'll be widening the audience, at least for now 😉

  76. We have 7 billion people living today, and most of the population is living unsustainably. I hope we can change our ways soon enough

  77. this system would require everyone to be wise, which is almost impossible because of our huge differences in envirnmental and social factors. A man in africa plants the crops to feed his family, he cant go to school and learn about the world because he needs to survive. Even in our society we have people with high IQs and good education making really stupid descisions, i like the idea but its like star trek in that its not acheivable with our society like this.

  78. there is only one salution all forms of goverment would be good if the leaders would be good–well this is what you said– this is true so find the only good leader and all is well—Jesus Christ

  79. Falun Dafa is a cultivation system in the Buddha School, saving people, that is based on the principles of the Universe:

    真 Truthfulness
    善 Compassion
    忍 Forbearance

    It teaches elevation of one's moral character. Since 1999 it has been brutally persecuted by the CCP in China. Good people are being tortured, raped, killed, force-fed, deprived of sleep and have organs harvested from simply because their spiritual belief. Millions practitioners were killed by the evil CCP.


  80. Basically I would agree with this system but there is a problem. Humans and other societies throughout the universe go through the exact same path but in different versions. Either way the same path. Its a cycle that has gone on for all eternity, at least what I think its that humans are part of an endless cycle.

  81. And that cycle is one that when a species reaches this sort of technological transition it goes to in a race against time but the species itself by the time it truly does anything its too late and has to sustain itself using other worlds full of resource rich planets and the species goes on from planet to planet, consuming their natural resources to satisfy their home planet's resource demand.

  82. Great video brother! It all sums up to every individual that is taking participating in our current government to want change. 

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