CNN Jim Sciuto Shocked The U.S. LOST SPY in Russia Because Intel Community Can’t Trust Trump


>>>VERY GOOD MORNING. I’M JIM SCIUTTO.>>I’M POPPY HARLOW. WE BEGIN WITH FEW REPORTING ON THE PRESIDENT AND U.S. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. AFTER YOUR REMARKABLE EXCLUSIVE REPORTING YESTERDAY, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS. THIS, OF COURSE, ABOUT THAT COVERT OPERATION TO REMOVE A RUSSIAN INFORMANT FROM MOSCOW. YOU HAVE NEW DETAILS THIS MORNING. WE’LL GET TO THOSE IN A MOMENT. LET’S BEGIN WITH YOUR REPORTING ON THE PRESIDENT.>>THAT’S RIGHT. A NEW STORY WE’RE REPORTING THIS MORNING. MULTIPLE SENIOR OFFICIALS WHO SERVED UNDER THIS PRESIDENT TELL CNN THAT TRUMP HAS PRIVATELY AND REPEATEDLY EXPRESSED OPPOSITION TO THE USE OF FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE FROM COVERT SOURCES, INCLUDING OVERSEAS SPIES WHO PROVIDE THE U.S. GOVERNMENT WITH CRUCIAL INFORMATION ABOUT HOSTILE COUNTRIES. IN PRIVATE, THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID THAT FOREIGN SPIES CAN DAMAGE RELATIONS WITH THEIR HOST COUNTRIES AND UNDERMINE HIS PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEIR LEADERS, THE SOURCES SAID. THE PRESIDENT, QUOTE, BELIEVES WE SHOULDN’T BE DOING THAT TO EACH OTHER. ONE FORMER TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL TOLD CNN. IN ADDITION TO HIS FEAR THAT SUCH FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SOURCES WILL DAMAGE HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH FOREIGN LEADERS, TRUMP HAS EXPRESSED DOUBTS ABOUT THE CREDIBILITY OF THE INFORMATION THEY PROVIDE. ANOTHER FORMER SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL TOLD CNN THAT TRUMP, QUOTE, BELIEVES THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SELLING OUT THEIR COUNTRY. WE SHOULD KNOW THAT EVEN IN PUBLIC, TRUMP HAS LOOKED DOWN ON THESE FOREIGN ASSETS AS THEY ARE KNOWN IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. RESPONDING TO REPORTS THAT THE CIA RECRUITED KIM JONG-UN’S BROTHER AS A SPY. REMEMBER, THIS IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID.>>I SAW THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE CIA WITH RESPECT TO HIS BROTHER OR HALF-BROTHER. AND I WOULD TELL HIM THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN UNDER MY — UNDER MY AUSPICES, THAT’S FOR SURE.>>TRUMP’S SKEPTICAL VIEW ON FOREIGN INFORMANTS UNDERMINES ONE OF THE MOST ESSENTIAL WAYS THAT AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES GATHER INFORMATION ABOUT U.S. ADVERSARIES, INCLUDING ANALYSIS OF THEIR CAPABILITIES AND INTENTIONS. INTELLIGENCE ASSESSMENTS OF NATIONAL SECURITY THREATS ALL TYPICALLY DEPEND ON A COMBINATION OF BOTH HUMAN AND SIGNALS INTELLIGENCE AS WELL AS OTHER SOURCES. THIS INCLUDES ASSESSMENTS ABOUT NORTH KOREA’S EXPANDING NUCLEAR PROGRAM TO TERROR THREATS FROM AL QAEDA AND ISIS. AND THE MILITARY CAPABILITIES OF RUSSIA AND CHINA. WE’LL ADD THAT THE CIA DECLINED TO COMMENT AND THE WHITE HOUSE ALSO DECLINED TO COMMENT TO OUR REQUESTS FOR COMMENTS ON THIS STORY.>>SO ON TOP OF THIS, IT’S NOT LIKE IT IS NEW THAT THE PRESIDENT’S FEELINGS ABOUT THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN THIS WAY, BUT YOU’VE UNCOVERED FOR JUST HOW LONG. THE PRESIDENT’S ATTITUDE HAS LONG BEEN AN ISSUE ABOUT THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. >>WE’VE SEEN THESE DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN SITTING U.S. PRESIDENTS AND THE FINDINGS OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY BUBBLE OUT INTO THE OPEN. VERY EARLY IN HIS TERM HE COMPARED THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES TO NAZIS. HE ATTACKED SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS, CURRENT AND FORMER, SOMEHOW DISLOYAL TO THE COUNTRY, BUT BIGGER PICTURE, HE’S DENIED OR DOWNPLAYED OR QUESTIONED INTELLIGENCE FINDINGS ON AMERICA’S MOST SEVERE NATIONAL SECURITY THREATS. RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE U.S. ELECTION. IRAN’S COMPLIANCE WITH THE NUCLEAR DEAL. REMEMBER BEFORE HIS WITHDRAWAL, U.S. INTEL AGENCIES TESTIFIED PUBLIC THAT IRAN WAS COMPLYING. ALSO NORTH KOREA’S CONTINUED EXPANSION OF ITS NUCLEAR PROGRAM. THE PRESIDENT DOWN PLAYING THAT. THE MOST FAMOUS EPISODE WAS TRUMP STANDING NEXT TO VLADIMIR PUTIN IN HELSINKI AND IN EFFECT TAKING HIS WORD, DENYING THAT RUSSIA HAD INTERFERED IN THE ELECTION, DESPITE THE FACT THAT U.S. INTELLIGENCE HAS FOUND THAT VERY CLEARLY. MOST RECENTLY, THIS PERHAPS VERY TELLING, YOU’LL REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT TWEETED OUT THIS PHOTO WHICH APPEARED TO BE A CLASSIFIED PHOTO OF AN IRANIAN MISSILE LAUNCH SITE. THESE PHOTOS SHOW U.S. INTELLIGENCE GATHERING CAPABILITIES. THE PRESIDENT PUTTING THAT OUT ON TWITTER. AND JUST IN THAT LARGER PICTURE HERE, YOU SEE A PRESIDENT AT ODDS FREQUENTLY WITH THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES.>>ON TOP OF ALL THIS, SINCE YOU REPORTED YOUR EXCLUSIVE 24 HOURS AGO YESTERDAY MORNING ON OUR SHOW, YOU HAVE NEW INFORMATION ABOUT THE COVERT INFORMANT. WHAT CAN YOU TELL US?>>WE HAD THESE DETAILS WHEN WE FIRST FILED OUR STORY YESTERDAY. BUT WITHHELD THEM BECAUSE WE DIDN’T WANT TO ADD TO SPECULATION ABOUT THE PERSON’S IDENTITY. SINCE THEN, ANOTHER NEWS ORGANIZATION HAS REPORTED THESE DETAILS, “THE NEW YORK TIMES,” SO WE’RE SHARING SOME OF THEM HERE JUST TO GET AT THE LEVEL THIS SOURCE WAS.>>HOW HIGH UP HE WAS. >>AND, THEREFORE, WHAT A LOSS IT IS FOR U.S. INTELLIGENCE. IT WAS SOMEONE WHO SERVED AS AN INFORMANT FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS PROVIDING IMPORTANT INTELLIGENCE OVER TIME. SOMEONE WHO HAD RISEN TO THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF RUSSIA’S NATIONAL SECURITY INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING, IMAGINE THIS, WITH THE ABILITY TO TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS OF PRESIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS. IMAGINE WHAT INSIGHT THAT GIVES YOU ABOUT RUSSIAN PLANS AND THINKING AND INTENTIONS. AND AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WAS THAT INTELLIGENCE FROM THIS SOURCE WAS ESSENTIAL TO THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY’S FINDING ON RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 ELECTION, SPECIFICALLY THAT IT WAS DIRECTED BY PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND THAT HIS INTENTION WAS NOT JUST TO DISRUPT U.S. POLITICS BUT ALSO TO ADVANTAGE DONALD TRUMP OVER HILLARY CLINTON. SO IT’S AN ENORMOUS LOSS TO LOSE AN ASSET THIS HIGH.>>AND BECAUSE OF THOSE CONCERNS.>>EXACTLY.>>AND OUT OF THOSE REASONS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S HANDLING OF INFORMATION.>>THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S HANDLING OF INTELLIGENCE WERE PART OF A BIGGER PICTURE. THESE CONCERNS STARTED DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE THAT INTELLIGENCE HAD BEEN INCLUDED IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY’S ASSESSMENT, BUT THEY GREW DURING THE EARLY MONTHS OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.>>GREAT REPORTING, JIM. STAY ON IT.>>THANK YOU, POPPY. ONE OF THE MANY STORIES WE’LL CONTINUE TO COVER ON THIS BROADCAST.>>>JOINING ME IS REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN ADAM KINZINGER OF ILLINOIS. HE SITS ON THE HOUSE FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE. CONGRESSMAN, WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO JOIN THE SHOW. IF I COULD — I DON’T WANT YOU TO GET INTO — YOU ARE A SERVING MEMBER OF THE ARMED FORCES. I DON’T WANT YOU TO GET INTO CLASSIFIED AREAS, BUT I DO WANT TO ASK YOUR REACTION TO THE BIGGER PICTURE STORY HERE. ONE, WHAT LOSS IS THIS TO THE U.S., TO THE U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCIES AND THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY TO LOSE AN ASSET THIS HIGH IN THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT?>>BEFORE I COMMENT ON THE STORY, THERE’S MORE, I THINK, WE NEED TO FIND OUT. RIGHT NOW IT’S ANONYMOUS SOURCES. I’M NOT SAYING IT’S AN INCORRECT STORY BUT I’LL SPEAK GENERALLY TO THE STORY WHICH IS, LOOK, EVEN OUR ALLIES SPY ON US. I READ AN ARTICLE RECENTLY THAT SAID THERE’S MORE SPIES PER CAPITA IN WASHINGTON, D.C., THAN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. PROBABLY ONE 200 YARDS FROM ME SOMEWHERE HERE. IT’S THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS. WE NEED TO SPY ON ESPECIALLY OUR ENEMIES. AND RUSSIA IS AN ENEMY. CHINA IS AN ENEMY. AND WE NEED TO HAVE ASSETS BOTH ELECTRONIC AND HUMAN SURVEILLANCE ASSETS HIGH UP IN POSITIONS. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS STORY, GENERALLY SPEAKING, I’LL SAY, HUMAN INTELLIGENCE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, AND IN MANY CASES MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVEN ELECTRONIC INTELLIGENCE IN ALL AREAS.>>RIGHT. AND WE KNOW THAT INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES DEPEND ON THAT KIND OF INFORMATION.>>ABSOLUTELY.>>YOU ARE AWARE OF THE PRESIDENT’S OFTEN PUBLIC BATTLE WITH INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, DISAGREEING OR QUESTIONING THEIR ASSESSMENTS ON A WHOLE HOST OF THINGS. WHAT DAMAGE DOES THAT DO, NOT JUST TO THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY’S WORK BUT JUST THE WAY AMERICA RESPONDS TO THESE THREATS?>>YEAH, IT’S NOT GREAT. THE PRESIDENT HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DISAGREE. TYPICALLY THAT’S DONE IN PRIVATE, RIGHT? YOU WANT A PRESIDENT SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT OPINIONS. YOU WANT A PRESIDENT THAT ACTUALLY THINKS THROUGH THIS STUFF AND QUESTIONS WHAT’S TOLD OF HIM BECAUSE EVEN — EVEN THE CIA, EVEN INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES AREN’T ALWAYS RIGHT BUT THEY ARE THE BEST WE HAVE TO FIND OUT INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO DEFEND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND AMERICAN INTERESTS. AND SO TAKING ANY KIND OF A BATTLE PUBLIC IS ALWAYS CONCERNING FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. NUMBER ONE, IT DOES DISCREDIT. LET’S SAY WE FIND OURSELVES IN A MAJOR MILITARY CONFLICT, WHETHER WITH IRAN OR DEFENDING SOMEBODY OR WHATEVER THAT IS, THAT WILL BE BASE INSIDE SOME CASES ON INTELLIGENCE ASSESSMENTS. AND NOW IF YOU DISCREDIT WHETHER IN FRONT OF THE WORLD OR IN FRONT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THAT CAN HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT AND DISCOURAGE THE INTELLIGENCE SERVICES BUT THEY’LL STILL DO THEIR JOB AND DO IT WELL. I JUST THINK THESE KINDS OF THINGS ARE — A LOT OF PEOPLE APPRECIATE A PRESIDENT THAT’S TRANSPARENT. SOME THINGS WHERE IT’S MAYBE THAT WE SHOULDN’T BE THAT TRANSPARENT ALL THE TIME.>>I WANT TO MOVE ON TO ANOTHER TOPIC. THAT THE PRESIDENT CANCELING TALKS WITH THE TALIBAN, PARTICULARLY WITH TOMORROW BEING THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE 9/11 ATTACKS. YOU’VE BEEN VERY PUBLIC IN YOUR CRITICISM OF EVEN THE CONSIDERATION OF INVITSING THE TALIBAN TO CAMP DAVID FOR THESE KINDS OF TALKS. WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT PLANNED TO DO THIS, AND DO YOU BELIEVE HE SHOULD IN EFFECT PLEDGE THAT HE WON’T REOPEN THIS IDEA AT A LATER DATE?>>YEAH, I MEAN, LOOK. I DON’T THINK THERE’S ANYTHING WRONG WITH TALKING TO THE TALIBAN. GENERALLY, I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD TALK TO A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION EVER, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE’RE APPROACHING THE LONGEST BATTLE WE’VE BEEN IN. AND SO THINGS ARE UNPRECEDENTED HERE. BUT THERE’S A DIFFERENCE. FIRST OFF, IF YOU’LL TALK TO THE TALIBAN, YOU HAVE TO DO IT FROM A POSITION OF STRENGTH. AMERICA IS NEVER GOING TO LOSE ON THE BATTLEFIELD. WE CAN ONLY BE DEFEATED BY OUR WILL AND THAT’S BEEN THE THING THAT’S DEFEATED US. AND SO A DISCUSSION HAS TO BE, LOOK, WE’RE GOING TO DO THIS FROM A POSITION OF STRENGTH. WE’RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. IF YOU WANT PEACE, WE’RE COOL WITH PEACE, TOO. WE WANT THAT. BUT TO BRING TALIBAN LEADERS, YOU KNOW, TO CAMP DAVID, NOT THAT FAR FROM NEW YORK CITY, A COUPLE DAYS PRIOR TO 9/11, I DON’T KNOW HOW THAT WENT THROUGH THE GOOD IDEA FILTER AND MADE IT AS FAR AS IT DID. I’M GLAD THE PRESIDENT BACKED OFF. I’M GLAD HE MADE THE STATEMENT YESTERDAY THAT THE TALIBAN IS DEAD TO HIM. HOPEFULLY MORE TALIBAN ARE DEAD AS A RESULT OF THIS, AND THEN IF WE HAVE PEACE TALKS WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FROM A BETTER POSITION OF STRENGTH.>>BIGGER PICTURE ON THAT KEY QUESTION. THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE A CAMPAIGN PROMISE TO LEAVE AFGHANISTAN BY 2020 OR AT LEAST HAVE A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION. ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT THE GROUND WORK IS BEING LAID HERE FOR A WITHDRAWAL THAT DOESN’T — THAT SUPPORTS POLITICS MORE THAN U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS?>>I AM. I HAVE TO LOOK AND SAY, WOULD I BE CRITICAL OF PRESIDENT OBAMA IF HE DID THIS? AND I HAVE TO BE EQUALLY FAIR TO EVERYBODY. I WOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY CRITICAL AND I HAVE BEEN CRITICAL OF PRESIDENT OBAMA AND SOME OF HIS MOVES IN AFGHANISTAN. AND THE POINT IS THIS. EVEN THE PRESIDENT SAID WE’RE BASICALLY IN A PEACEKEEPING OPERATION IN AFGHANISTAN. SO WHAT WE’RE DOING IS PREVENTING THE COLLAPSE OF THE GOVERNMENT, PREVENTING A SAFE HAVEN FROM FUTURE TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AT BASICALLY THE RATE OF PEACEKEEPING. PEOPLE CALL THIS A WAR. IT’S TECHNICALLY A WAR BUT IT’S A VERY LOW GRADE WAR AND A MINOR COST TO PREVENT ANOTHER ATTACK ON THE ONLYLAND. SO THIS IDEA OF FOLLOWING A CAMPAIGN PROMISE, I DON’T THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SITTING AROUND BEGGING, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO LEAVE AFGHANISTAN. THEY WANT LEADERS TO TELL US, THOUGH, WHY THIS FIGHT CONTINUES TO BE IMPORTANT.>>UNDERSTOOD. FINALLY, ON GUNS. YOU HAVE LED THE WAY, WE SHOULD NOTE, AMONG REPUBLICANS AFTER THE LAS VEGAS ATTACK, PUSHING FOR INSTANCE FOR A BAN ON BUMP STOCKS WHICH HAS SINCE FOLLOWED WITH PRESIDENTIAL SUPPORT. NOW ONE OF THE FEW REPUBLICANS TO COME OUT SINCE THE SHOOTINGS IN EL PASO AND DAYTON TO CALL FOR UNIVERSAL BACK GROUND CHECKS. THE REAL CHECK ON THAT IS IN THE SENATE, MITCH McCONNELL, BUT ALSO HIM AND OTHER SENATE LEADERS LOOKING FOR LEADERSHIP FROM THE PRESIDENT. DO YOU BELIEVE MITCH McCONNELL WILL ALLOW A FLOOR VOTE ON THIS AND WOULD YOU CALL ON HIM TO DO SO?>>YES, AND YES. DEPENDS ON WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I’VE SEEN SOME UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK BILLS THAT ARE BAD. I THINK WE CAN MAKE SOME GOOD ONES WHICH DOESN’T OVERBURDEN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IN PRIVATE TRANSFERS BUT STILL GOES THROUGH A BACKGROUND SYSTEM. IT’S NOT GOING TO STOP ALL THESE MASS SHOOTINGS. BUT IF WE CAN MITIGATE THIS PROBLEM DEFENDERS OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT, WE HAVE A TRY TO DO THAT. TO MY FRIENDS ON THE LEFT, YOU’VE GOT TO BE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT MAY BE SHORT OF YOUR FINAL GOAL. SO MANY PEOPLE I’VE GOTTEN INTO A CONVERSATION SAID THAT I SUPPORT THESE THINGS AND LIKE, WELL, IF YOU AREN’T FOR A FULL ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN WE’RE NOT EVEN GOING TO TALK. THAT’S WHY WASHINGTON, D.C., DOESN’T WORK BECAUSE NEITHER SIDE ARE WILLING TO COME OFF THEIR EDGE. LET’S BE GROWNUPS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION.>>THE ART OF COMPROMISE LOST, YOU MIGHT SAY. CONGRESSMAN KINZINGER, THANKS FOR JOINING OUR PROGRAM THIS MORNING.>>YOU BET. SEE YOU.>>>AMEN TO THAT. COMPROMISE.>>REMEMBER WHAT THAT MEANS?>>KIND OF.>>WE’RE BOTH MARRIED SO — >>DAILY.>>>THIS MORNING, POLLS ARE OPEN IN NORTH CAROLINA. THIS IS A REALLY CONSEQUENTIAL RACE. VOTERS ARE CASTING THEIR BALLOTS IN A DO-OVER SPECIAL ELECTION IN THE 9th CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. ALLEGATIONS OF ABSENTEE BALLOT FRAUD BACK IN NOVEMBER’S MIDTERMS FORCED THEM TO WIPE THE WHOLE THING OUT AND CALL FOR A NEW VOTE. IT’S THE FINAL RACE OF 2018 BUT MAY AS WELL BE 2020. THE OUTCOME OF TODAY’S MATCHUP IS SEEN AS A CRITICAL TEST FOR THE PRESIDENT’S RE-ELECTION CHANCES. DIANE GALLAGHER LIVE IN CHARLOTTE. SO THE STAKES VERY HIGH. THIS WILL REALLY TELL US HOW THE POLITICAL WINDS ARE BLOWING. IT WILL GIVE US A LOOK AT A DISTRICT THAT THE PRESIDENT WON BY 12 POINTS BUT A DEMOCRAT HASN’T HELD SINCE 1963.>>YEAH, AND POPPY, TO BE VERY — LOOK. THE FACT THAT WE ARE HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AS A TOSS-UP RACE IN THE 9th DISTRICT SAYS SOMETHING HERE. BOTH PRESIDENT TRUMP AND MITT ROMNEY WON THIS DISTRICT BY 12 POINTS. RIGHT NOW POLLING SHOWS DEMOCRAT DAN McCREADY, REPUBLICAN DAN BISHOP NECK AND NECK HERE. AND PLENTY OF MONEY. WE’RE TALKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN OUTSIDE SPENDING HAVE JUST INUNDATED THE PEOPLE OF THE 9th DISTRICT IN ADS THAT REALLY MIRROR WHAT WE’RE SEEING ON A NATIONAL SCALE HERE. DAN BISHOP HAS PAINTED HIMSELF AS ESSENTIALLY IN LINE WITH DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP CAME IN 11th HOUR ELECTION EVE. BIG RALLY FOR BISHOP IN FAYETTEVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA, THE OTHER END OF THIS DISTRICT OVERNIGHT TALKING ABOUT SOCIALISTS AND TALKING ABOUT HOW DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO PREVENT HIM FROM CONTINUING WHAT HE HAS DONE. TRYING TO INCITE THAT FEAR WITHIN THE BASE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, EARLY VOTING SHOWS THAT DAN McCREADY AND THE DEMOCRATS HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN EDGE HERE. McCREADY CALLS HIMSELF A POLITICAL MODERATE. A FORMER MARINE. HE’S REALLY STAYED AWAY FROM THE NATIONAL DEMOCRATS THIS TIME AROUND. HE’S BEEN RUNNING FOR 27 MONTHS HERE. SAYS HE WANTS THIS GRASSROOTS CAMPAIGN TO SEE HIM THROUGH THE END HERE. HERE’S THE THING. THIS IS A SPECIAL ELECTION. TURNOUT SO FAR WE’VE SEEN HAS BEEN STEADY BUT LIGHT WHICH IS WHAT YOU’D EXPECT IN A SPECIAL ELECTION LIKE THIS. BUT ON A NATIONAL LEVEL, THEY ARE LOOKING AT THIS AS POTENTIALLY A LITMUS TEST FOR 2020. WILL PRESIDENT TRUMP’S POLITICAL PLAYBOOK PLAY NEXT YEAR, OR ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD?>>WE’LL SEE. DIANNE, THANK YOU. LET US KNOW HOW IT GOES ALL DAY TODAY. WE’LL BE TALKING ABOUT IT TOMORROW MORNING FOR SURE.>>>STILL TO COME THIS HOUR, A NEW POLL OUT THIS MORNING SAYS 6 IN 10 AMERICANS BELIEVE THE ECONOMY WILL SLIP INTO A RECESSION AS A RESULT OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S TRADE POLICIES. WHAT THAT MEANS FOR HIM IN 2020, NEXT.>>THAT NUMBER REALLY MATTERS.>>>ALSO “NEW YORK TIMES” REPORT THAT SAYS THE COMMERCE SECRETARY WILBUR ROSS THREATENED TO FIRE TOP EMPLOYEES AT NOAA AFTER THEY CONTRADICTED THE PRESIDENT. THE ACTING ADMINISTRATOR OF NOAA IS SPEAKING RIGHT NOW. WE’RE WATCHING THAT. AND WE’RE LIVE IN THE BAHAMAS AGAIN. 70,000 HOMES OBLITERATED. 5,000 PEOPLE HAVE FLED. THE DEATH TOLL STANDS AT0,>>>WELCOME BACK. IT’S BEEN THE PRESIDENT’S FIREWALL THROUGHOUT HIS TERM SO FAR. THE STRONG ECONOMY, THE ONE THING VOTERS CONSISTENTLY APPROVE OF AS OTHER PRESIDENTIAL CONTROVERSIES CONTINUE.>>BUT HE MAY HAVE A BIG WORRY SIGN ON THE ECONOMY. A NEW POLL SHOWS THIS MORNING SUPPORT IS SLIPPING. AS MORE PEOPLE FEAR A RECESSION IS APPROACHING, THE PRESIDENT’S APPROVAL RATING IS NOW AT 38%. IT WAS AT 44% JUST IN JULY. MORE AMERICANS ARE BLAMING THE PRESIDENT FOR THE ECONOMY’S UNCERTAIN FUTURE. JOINING ME TO TALK ABOUT THIS, JOHN AVLON AND, OF COURSE, CHRIS CILLIZZA. GOOD MORNING, GUYS.>>GOOD MORNING, POPPY.>>SO CILLIZZA, 6 IN 10 AMERICANS NOW EXPECT A RECESSION IS SOMEWHAT OR VERY LIKELY. THEY EXPECT HIGHER PRICES. AND THAT IS HURTING THE PRESIDENT. THE QUESTION BECOMES HOW MUCH OF THAT IS 2020 GOING TO DEPEND ON? JIM AND I HAVE AN OVER/UNDER ON THIS. WE AGREE THE ECONOMY IS KEEPING THE PRESIDENT AFLOAT. THIS IS A BIG DEAL FOR HIM. ARE WE RIGHT?>>YEAH, I THINK THAT’S RIGHT. HERE’S WHAT’S HARD, POPPY, ABOUT TRUMP. HIS ABILITY TO DEFY POLITICAL CONVENTION IS HUGE.>>SURE.>>HE WOULD NEVER BE ELECTED PRESIDENT BY ANY POLITICAL CONVENTION WE USED IN THE PAST. EVEN WITH THE ECONOMY WHEN IT WAS THE THING THAT WAS CONTINUING A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE SAID THEY APPROVED OF HIS HANDLING OF IT, HE STILL WAS IN THE MID TO LOW 40s IN APPROVAL. TYPICALLY WITH ANY PRESIDENT, REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT, IF YOUR APPROVAL IS IN THE 50s, 60s, YOUR JOB APPROVAL IS OVER 50. SO I THINK HE HAS A VERY LOW CEILING AND A PRETTY LOW FLOOR CANDIDLY, BUT I THINK HE MOVES IN BETWEEN ABOUT 37% AND 43%, 44%. I DON’T KNOW IF THE BOTTOM EVER DROPS OURKTS BUT I WILL TELL YOU IF THE ECONOMY IS EITHER WEAKENING OR SEEN TO BE WEAKENING BY THE AVERAGE VOTER, WHAT IS ALREADY A VERY, VERY FINE LINE TRUMP NEEDS TO WALK TO GET RE-ELECTED BECOMES VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO WALK.>>JOHN AVLON, THE PRESIDENT, OF COURSE, WATCHES THESE FIGURES VERY CLOSELY. HE’S AWARE OF THE INTELLIGENCE THAT ECONOMIC NUMBERS HAVE ON HIS NUMBERS. AND HE HAS TOOLS. WELL, YOU’D LIKE TO THINK THIS IS HIS TOOL, BUT HE IS PUTTING PRESSURE ON THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS LOWERING INTEREST RATES. SEEMS TO BE IN THAT POSTURE. ALSO THE PRESIDENT HAS TALKS WITH CHINA WHICH ARE DIFFICULT BUT THE PRESIDENT CAN MAKE CONCESSIONS AND COME OUT WITH A DEAL TO RELIEVE SOME OF THIS PRESSURE ABOUT THE TRADE WAR.>>SURE.>>DOES THIS PUT MORE PRESSURE ON HIM TO SAY, HEY, LET’S MAKE A DEAL?>>THERE’S NO QUESTION THIS PUTS MORE PRESSURE ON HIM BECAUSE THE ONE READ HE’S BEEN HOLDING ONTO, THE ONE NUMBER WHERE HE’S BEEN ABOVE WATER IN APPROVAL IS THE ECONOMY. IF THAT STARTS TO SLIP, HE’S IN REAL TROUBLE. AND YOU SEE THAT. 38% IS A PATHETIC NUMBER FOR A PRESIDENT. A HAM SANDWICH WOULD BE AROUND 55, 60. YOU TALK ABOUT THE FED. EXPLICITLY NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THE PRESIDENT’S TOOL. THE ROLE OF THE FED IS NOT TO BE MANIPULATED BY A PRESIDENT. HE’S ASSAULTING THAT INDEPENDENCE. HOW MARKETS HAVE STARTED TO INCORPORATE THE PRESIDENT’S ERRATIC BEHAVIOR AND HIS UNDERMINING OF NORMS AND TREAT IT AS A NEW NORM ITSELF IS STUNING. WITH CHINA, YES, COULD WE HAVE A TACTICAL RETREAT AND CALL IT A WIN? YES. THE PROBLEM WITH THE OVERALL ENVIRONMENT WITH REALLY LOW INTEREST RATES IS THE FEDS AND GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD HAVE LESS TOOLS IF THE ECONOMY STARTS GOING IN A FREE-FALL. KEEP AN EYE ON BREXIT BECAUSE THE STORM CLOUDS AREN’T IN THE DISTANCE.>>HARDER TO PASS A STIMULUS PACKAGE WITH THE DEBT LEVELS WHERE THEY ARE.>>I WONDER IF THE — IF WE’RE TALKING ABOUT A GENERAL ELECTION AND THE ECONOMY IS HURTING BUT THE NOMINEE IS TO THE FAR LEFT AND SOMEONE WHO IS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POLICIES THAT ARE GOING TO UNDOUBTEDLY COST THE U.S. GOVERNMENT A LOT OF MONEY, DOES THAT CALCULATION CHANGE?>>WELL, THE ANSWER I THINK IS YES, POPPY, IN THAT RIGHT NOW DONALD TRUMP IS RUNNING AGAINST THE SORT OF EMORPH US GROUP OF WHATEVER AMALGAM OF DEMOCRAT A VOTER LIKES. PIECE OF BIDEN, SANDERS AND WARREN. EVENTUALLY IT WILL BE JUST ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE HE’LL HAVE TO RUN AGAINST. AND THOSE PEOPLE HAVE WARTS. I THINK THE ENTIRE BIDEN CANDIDACY IS PREMISED ON THE IDEA, ALL WE NEED TO DO IF YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT IS PROVIDE A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE. WE DON’T NEED TO DO A LOT. PEOPLE WANT TO FIRE DONALD TRUMP, BUT THEY DON’T WANT TO GO FOR THE DEVIL THEY DON’T KNOW. YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT COMFORTABLE AND EASY. BERNIE SANDERS, ELIZABETH WARREN, OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT AND, YES, NO QUESTION THAT MEDICARE FOR ALL, DECRIMINALIZING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, THESE ARE THE GREEN NEW DEAL, THESE ARE POLICIES THAT ARE FRANKLY NOT SUPPORTED BY A MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. NOW CAN YOU MAKE THAT ARGUMENT IN A GENERAL ELECTION AND SELL PEOPLE ON IT? YOU CAN. BUT IT WILL BE AN ISSUE, AND IT IS. WE KNOW DONALD TRUMP IS MUCH BETTER ON THE ATTACK OF OTHER PEOPLE’S POLICIES THAN HE IS IN DEFENDING HIS OWN.>>YOU DON’T LEAD WITH YOUR CHIN. WE KNOW DONALD TRUMP’S RE-ELECTION IS ABOUT DESCRIBING ALL DEMOCRATS AS RADICAL SOCIALISTS. TO THE EXTENT THEY PLAY INTO THAT, THAT’S NOT THEIR STRONGEST SUIT. YOU’LL STILL HAVE TO WIN SWING VOTERS IN SWING STATES. DON’T PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT HE SAYS. PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT HE DOES. LOOK AT THE ECONOMY. IF THAT READ GOES AWAY, THEY’RE EXTREME, THEY’RE SCARY. YOU CALL THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. LAST NIGHT IN NORTH CAROLINA, TALKED WIDELY ABOUT DEMOCRATS BEING THE AMERICAN-HATING LEFT. WE’RE GETTING NUMB TO RHETORIC THAT’S UTTERLY UNPRESIDENTIAL. BUT HE USES IT EVERY DAY. AND THE EXTENT THAT DEMOCRATS START RETURNING FIRE WE’LL HAVE A BANANA REPUBLIC ELECTION IN 2020 AND IT’S GOING TO BE UGLY BEYOND BELIEF.>>JUST TO JOHN’S POINT, IT’S SEPTEMBER 10th, 2019. IMAGINE OCTOBER 1st, 2020.>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>IF YOU THINK IT CAN’T GET WORSE, BUCKLE UP BECAUSE IT WILL.>>IT’S GOING TO GET WORSE.>>YEAH.>>YES, THAT WE WILL TAKE THAT TO THE BANK. JOHN AVLON, CHRIS CILLIZZA, THANKS VERY MUCH.>>>COMING UP — THE U.S. COAST GUARD RESCUED ALL FOUR CREW MEMBERS ABOARD THIS CAPSIZED SHIP. INCREDIBLE RESCUE STORY. WE’LL SPEAK TO A COMMANDER WHO WAS THERE WHEN THE FINAL PERSON WAS BROUGHT TO SAFETY.>>TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY, WE’RE ALSO JUST A FEW MOMENTS FROM THE OPENING BELL ON WALL STREET. STOCKS FUTURES POINTING A LITTLE LOWER THERE. THE TRADE WAR IS HURTING CHINA’S ECONOMY AS WELL AS THE U.S. ECONOMY. CHINA’S PRODUCER PRICE INDEX, AN INFLATION INDEX, FELL BY THE MOST IN THREE YEARS COOLING SOME OF THE OPTIMISM INVESTORS HAVE HAD OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS. INVESTORS ARE GOING TO BE WATCHING FOR CLUES OF WHAT THE FED IS GOING TO DO NEXT WEEK.>>>JUST A DRAMATIC RESCUE OFF THE COAST OF GEORGIA AS THE FOURTH AND FINAL CREW MEMBER WHO WAS TRAPPED ON THAT OVERTURNED CARGO SHIP IS BROUGHT TO SHORE.>>WOW. THAT’S THE MOMENT THERE. RESCUE CREWS FROM THE U.S. COAST GUARD HEARD TAPPING SOUNDS FROM INSIDE THE SHIP. THEY THEN DRILLED A HOLE IN THE SHIP RIGHT THERE JUST BIG MUFF TO PULL OUT THE CREW MEMBERS. LET’S GO TO CNN’S NATASHA CHEN. SHE IS ON ST. SIMON’S ISLAND WHERE THIS TOOK PLACE OR JUST OFF WHERE IT TOOK PLACE. TELL US ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THESE FOUR CREW MEMBERS AFTER WHAT HAD TO BE A FRIGHTFUL SEVERAL DAYS INSIDE THAT SHIP.>>ABSOLUTELY, JIM AND POPPY. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT 36 HOURS FOR THE FOUR OF THEM INSIDE. WE JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE THIS MORNING WITH SOUTHEAST GEORGIA HEALTH SYSTEMS WHO CONFIRMED THEY DO HAVE, AS OF THIS MORNING, ALL FOUR OF THOSE PATIENTS. WE’RE STILL WAITING ON WORD OF THEIR CONDITIONS. BUT WE KNOW FROM THE COAST GUARD YESTERDAY THAT WHEN THEY WERE RESCUED, THREE OUT OF THE FOUR OF THEM WERE ABLE TO WALK ON THEIR OWN. ONE OF THEM DID HAVE TO BE RESCUED IN A RESCUE BUCKET BUT, OF COURSE, THEY SAID THE FOUR OF THEM WERE ELATED WHEN THEY WERE FINALLY RESCUED AND THE COAST GUARD SAYS THE EXPRESSIONS ON THEIR FACES SAID IT ALL.>>WHAT CAUSED THE SHIP TO CAPSIZE? WE TALKED TO YOU YESTERDAY. AND YOU JUST SAID AT THAT POINT WE DIDN’T KNOW. WE DIDN’T KNOW IF IT WAS TOP HEAVY OR WHAT. DO THEY KNOW ANY MORE THIS MORNING?>>WELL, THERE ARE QUESTIONS BEING RAISED ABOUT WHETHER THE VEHICLES THAT WERE BEING TRANSPORTED ON THIS SHIP WERE PROPERLY LATCHED DOWN. AND SO I DID SPEAK YESTERDAY AFTERNOON WITH THE C.O.O. OF THE COMPANY THAT OWNS THIS SHIP. THEY BELIEVE THE C.O.O. BELIEVES THAT RULES WERE, IN FACT, FOLLOWED TO LATCH DOWN THE VEHICLES ON BOARD BUT THEY ARE WAITING FOR THE INVESTIGATION TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED.>>NOW CONCERNS ABOUT OIL LEAKING FROM THE SHIP. HOW CONCERNED IS THE COAST GUARD ABOUT THAT?>>YEAH, JIM, SO THE COAST GUARD THIS MORNING TWEETED THAT THERE ARE NO LEAKS COMING FROM THE VESSEL. THAT’S GOOD NEWS. BUT BOTH THEY AND THE SPILL MANAGEMENT TEAM HANDLING THIS SITUATION SAY THERE IS A LIGHT SHEEN COMING FROM THE VESSEL. SO THAT’S A LITTLE BIT OF OIL COMING OFF THE VESSEL. THE TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING TO CONTAIN THAT. HERE IS WHAT GALLAGHER MARINE SYSTEMS SAYS ARE SOME OF THE RISKS CONSIDERING WHERE WE ARE WITH THE SOUND HERE.>>WE KNOW THERE’S MANATEES IN THE AREA. TURTLES NESTING AREAS IN THE AREA. SOME BIRD ACTIVITY IN THE AREA. ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS FOR US. SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL UNIT WILL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OPERATIONS ON HOW TO BEST CLEAN THE AREA, WHERE TO KEEP OIL AWAY FROM IF WE HAVE TO DEFLECT THE OIL TO A DIFFERENT AREA.>>SO RIGHT NOW THE FOCUS IS ON MAKING SURE THERE’S NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL INCIDENT AND, OF COURSE, THE SALVAGE TEAM IS GOING TO FIGURE OUT HOW IN THE WORLD TO RIGHT THIS 656-FOOT VESSEL AND GET IT OUT OF THE SOUND. THAT’S A PROCESS THAT IS GOING TO TAKE QUITE SOME TIME. RIGHT NOW THE COAST GUARD DOESN’T KNOW HOW THE SALVAGE TEAM IS GOING TO DO IT, BUT THEY’LL BE SUPERVISING.>>AT LEAST THEY GOT EVERYONE OFF. OUR THANKS TO THE U.S. COAST GUARD JUST AMAZING, AMAZING WORK RESCUING THOSE FOUR ON BOARD. NATASHA, GREAT REPORTING. THANK YOU SO MUCH.>>>OBVIOUSLY, THE RESCUERS WERE OVERJOYED WHEN THAT LAST CREW MEMBER WAS PULLED OUT FROM THE SHIP. LISTEN TO THIS.>>THAT IS AMAZING! THE BEST DAY OF MY CAREER BECAUSE YOU GUYS DID THAT. OUTSTANDING. THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU GUYS!>>THAT WAS CAPTAIN JOHN REED. INCIDENT COMMANDER FOR THE U.S. COAST GUARD. AND CAPTAIN REED NOW JOINS US BY PHONE. CAPTAIN, FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM ON A JOB WELL DONE. YOU SAID IT WAS THE BEST DAY OF YOUR CAREER. TELL US WHY.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JIM. AND GOOD MORNING, POPPY. I’LL TELL YOU, IT WAS — IT’S NOT ALWAYS. AND YOU END UP IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT WITH SUCH DIRE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE’S LIVES ARE AT RISK. AND YOU ARE ABLE TO RESCUE THEM. AND THAT WASN’T ALL THE COAST GUARD THERE. WE CERTAINLY WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN COORDINATING THE INITIAL 20 WITH THE AIR STATION OUT OF SAVANNAH. THEIR TWO HELICOPTERS, THE BOATS OUT OF STATION BRUNSWICK, CTO HERE, MORAN TOWING. THOSE FIRST 20 IN THE DARKNESS OF THAT NIGHT WITH THE VESSEL TURNING ON ITS SIDE WAS AMAZING. BUT THAT TECHNICAL RESCUE TEAM BROUGHT TOGETHER BY THE SALVAGE COMPANY REALLY MADE THAT HAPPEN. AND YOU TALK ABOUT A HOLE, IT WASN’T JUST A HOLE. THE WAY THEY WERE WORKING THEIR WAY IN THERE WAS DRILLING INITIAL HOLES TO GET A CAMERA IN AND THEN ALSO WORKING THROUGH CONNECTING THREE-INCH HOLES TO MAKE A LARGE ENOUGH HOLE TO GET TEAMS INSIDE TO BRING THOSE GUYS OUT. AND THEN TO EVENTUALLY GET A TEAM OVER TO SEE AND RESCUE THAT FINAL PERSON WHO WAS IN THE CONTROL ROOM.>>THAT’S AMAZING. TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE AS NATASHA JUST REPORTED, THAT YOUR TEAM HEARD LIKE KNOCKING IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE SHIP? OBVIOUSLY, THE CREW MEMBERS TRAPPED ON BOARD AND THAT THEY KNEW WHEN TO GO WHEN THEY HEARD THOSE NOISES?>>YES, POPPY. SO THAT WAS GREAT NEWS WHEN WE FOUND THAT OUT ON SUNDAY EVENING AND THROUGH MONDAY MORNING. THEY HAD BEEN TAPPING THROUGH THE NIGHT BECAUSE EARLIER IN THE DAY ON SUNDAY, THERE WERE NOT RESPONSES TO THE TAPPING. SO I’M SURE YOU CAN IMAGINE THERE’S ONLY CERTAIN PARTS OF THE SHIP WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET TO THE OUTER HULL TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A RESPONSE TO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE TO THEM, THAT THEY WERE THERE. THAT WE WERE WORKING OUR BEST TO STABILIZE THE SITUATION. AND TO GET TO THEIR RESCUE. AND THAT TEAM PUT TOGETHER BY DON JOHN SCHMIDT WAS AMAZING. THEY ARE GLOBAL EXPERTS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS — SOMETHING YOU DON’T NECESSARILY GET TO PRACTICE FOR AND TO BE ABLE TO EXECUTE IT IN THIS WAY, MANAGING CERTAIN RISK TO BOTH THE RESPONDERS AND TO THE MEN ON BOARD, JUST COULDN’T HAVE COME TOGETHER ANY BETTER.>>AND THE FINAL RESCUE. SO SOMEONE WHO WAS TRAPPED BEHIND GLASS IN AN ENGINEERING CONTROL ROOM, HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO GET TO THAT PERSON SAFELY?>>JIM, THE TEAM ACTUALLY HAD TO — THAT WAS QUITE A FEAT BECAUSE YOU’RE GOING THROUGH VERTICAL ACCESSES THAT USED TO BE PASSAGEWAYS. AND WORKING THEIR WAY TO THIS MAN WHO THEY HAD TO GRIND THROUGH A GLASS WINDOW THAT’S MEANT TO PROTECT FROM FIRE AND FLAME AND EXPLOSIONS IN AN ENGINE ROOM TO RESCUE THAT MAN. AND THEY DID SO. AND HAVING TO TAKE BREAKS AND COME TO FRESH AIR, THAT WAS PART OF THAT WHOLE MANAGING RISK PORTION OF IT BECAUSE WE DID NOT WANT TO SACRIFICE A TEAM OF MEN TO SAVE A MAN WHO WAS IN PRETTY STABLE CONDITION FOR BEING IN THERE FOR NEARLY 40 HOURS WITHOUT FOOD OR WATER, BUT THAT TEAM DID AN AMAZING JOB. AND I’M GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE ADVICE THAT WAS PROVIDED, FOR THE OUTSTANDING TEAM, AND FOR JUST THE ATTITUDE OF TEAMWORK AMONG EVERYONE.>>CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU. WE’RE HAPPY IT TURNED OUT. THANKS FOR THE RISKS YOU AND YOUR TEAM TOOK FOR THIS. CAPTAIN JOHN REED OF THE U.S. COAST GUARD.>>THANK YOU, JIM AND POPPY.>>>CONFUSION ABOUT JUST WHO IS ALLOWED INTO THE U.S. IS ADDING TO THE CRISIS FOR THOUSANDS OF BAHAMIANS TRYING TO FLEE THEIR HURRICANE–RAVAGED HOMELAND. WE’LL TAKE YOU THERE ON >>>NOW TO THE CRISIS IN THE BAHAMAS. IT IS CONTINUING. NUMBERS SHOW NEARLY 5,000 PEOPLE HAVE FLED THE ISLAND SINCE HURRICANE DORIAN RIPPED THROUGH THE COUNTRY. LOOK AT THE DEVASTATION THERE. YOU CAN SEE WHY PEOPLE SAY IT LOOKS LIKE AN ATOMIC BOMB GOT DROPPED.>>IT DOES. UNBELIEVABLE. THAT’S A FAR CRY FROM THE ESTIMATED 70,000 PEOPLE WHO ARE LEFT HOMELESS BY THE STORM. THE OFFICIAL DEATH TOLL NOW STANDS AT 50, BUT WE KNOW THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO RISE SIGNIFICANTLY. OUR PATRICK OPPMANN JOINS US AGAIN THIS MORNING. HE REMAINS IN FREEPORT TO COVER ALL OF THIS. PATRICK, ONE OF THE — IT WAS HEARTBREAKING TO WATCH THAT VIDEO YESTERDAY OF SOME OF THESE PEOPLE TRYING TO JUST GET TO SAFETY YESTERDAY IN THE UNITED STATES, GET TO RELATIVES AND BEING TOLD TO GET OFF OF THAT FERRY BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T HAVE THE PROPER VISA DOCUMENTATION. I MEAN, REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE CALLING FOR THIS TO CHANGE. SENATOR RICK SCOTT. SENATOR MARCO RUBIO, TO ALLOW THEM TO COME. WHAT IS THE LATEST FOR THEM?>>THE LATEST FOR THEM IS, APPARENTLY IT’S BEEN A MISUNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE FERRY SERVICE AND CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION . WHO WAS REALLY AT FAULT, WE DON’T KNOW. PEOPLE WERE TOLD THEY HAVE THE CORRECT DOCUMENTS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT NEED VISAS, PARTICULARLY IN A TIME NOW OF CRISIS. SO THEY’RE ABLE TO COME IF THEY CAN SHOW THAT THEY HAVE — OR THEY ARE BAHAMIANS AND THEY HAVE, AS IS REQUIRED, NO CRIMINAL HISTORY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THEY CAN GET HERE. SO MANY PEOPLE HERE HAVE FAMILY IN THE UNITED STATES WHO ARE, OF COURSE, TAKING PEOPLE IN. GO BACK TO THE NUMBER OF 70,000 HOMELESS. TALKING ABOUT A COUNTRY OF 500,000 PEOPLE. SO IF THAT NUMBER IS ACCURATE, AND WE HAVE NO REASON TO DOUBT IT, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT 17% IN A COUPLE DAYS OF THE POPULATION THAT IS NOW WITHOUT THEIR HOMES. AND SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE HERE ARE LIVING IN HOMES THAT ARE NOT SUITABLE TO BE LIVED IN HERE IN FREEPORT AND IN GRAND ABACO. WE’RE STILL WITHOUT POWER. STILL WITHOUT WATER. MAKES IT VERY, VERY DIFFICULT LIVING CONDITIONS TO GET GAS CAN TAKE ALL MORNING. TO GET FOOD CAN TAKE ALL MORNING. THERE’S A BLACK MARKET FOR BREAD NOW, AND EVERY LITTLE ITEM THAT YOU CAN — WE ALL TAKE FOR GRANTED. WE WORRY ABOUT EATING SPOILED FOOD BECAUSE SO MANY MARKETS LOST THEIR GENERATORS. IT IS REALLY TOUGH CONDITIONS. AND UNDERSTANDABLY, MANY PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY IF THEY HAVE SMALL CHILDREN. SO MANY IN THOSE LINES WITH SMALL CHILDREN. THEY JUST DON’T WANT TO RISK IT. THEY DON’T WANT TO BE LIVING IN THE CONDITIONS THAT WE ARE FORCED TO LIVE IN RIGHT NOW.>>AND THE PRESIDENT CLAIMED WITHOUT OFFERING ANY EVIDENCE THAT THOSE PEOPLE FLEEING, MANY OF THEM ARE DRUG DEALERS, GANG MEMBERS, ET CETERA. PATRICK OPPMANN, GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON THE GROUND THERE.>>HE AND HIS TEAM ARE DOING REMARKABLE JOB.>>PHENOMENAL.>>WE’RE SO LUCKY TO HAVE THEM THERE. WE’LL KEEP ON THAT STORY.>>>COMING UP, A RARE SIT-DOWN WITH A SITTING SUPREME COURT JUSTICE. ARIANA VOGUE SITS DOWN WITH JUSTICE NEIL GORSUCH. HIS TAKE ON SERVING DURING THE TRUMP ERA AND WHY HE’S CALLING ON ALL>>>ALL RIGHT. NEW THIS MORNING, A CRUCIAL NEW VOICE ON THE SUPREME COURT OPPOSITE UP IN A VERY RARE AND REVEALING INTERVIEW FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE’RE HEARING FROM JUSTICE NEIL GORSUCH.>>HE SAT DOWN WITH OUR ARIANDA, ASKED HIM SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS.>>HE TALKED BROADLY ABOUT THE CONFIRMATION PHILOSOPHY AND DISAGREEING CIVILLY, MAYBE UNLIKE THE OTHER BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT. BUT I REALLY PUSHED HIM HARD ON PRESIDENT TRUMP’S ATTACKS ON JUDGES. REMEMBER LAST FALL, IT WAS CHIEF JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS WHO HAD TO ISSUE THAT RARE STATEMENT DEFENDING THE JUDICIARY AND GORSUCH, HE SPOKE VERY ELOQUENTLY ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW, THE RULE OF JUDGES. BUT HE DECLINED TO CALL THE PRESIDENT OUT BY NAME. I ALSO ASKED HIM ABOUT SOME OF THE COMMENTS THE PRESIDENT MAKES ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. TAKE A LISTEN.>>THE REMOVAL IN THIS COUNTRY IS STRONG. STRONG AND STABLE AND I’D SAY TO ANYBODY WHO QUESTIONS WHAT A WONDERFUL INHER TANS WE HAVE IN OUR COURT IN THE RULE OF LAW IN THE THIS COUNTRY, GO SPEND SIX WEEKS IN THAT’S COUNTRY OF YOUR CHOICE AND COME BACK AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT OUR COURTS.>>I WANT TO COME BACK TO THE PRESIDENT. HE PRAISED YOU IN 2017 AT A CAMPAIGN RALLY. HE SAID SOMETHING LIKE NEIL GORSUCH, HEAL SAVE PEOPLE’S 2nd AMENDMENT RIGHTS. DO COMMENTS LIKE THAT, DOES THAT BLUR FOR THE PUBLIC, DOES IT BLUR THE LINES BETWEEN POLITICS AND THE LAW?>>I’M NOT GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN POLITICS OR POLITICAL CAMPAIGN RALLIES. THAT’S NOT MY BUSINESS. MY BUSINESS IS TO MAKE SURE YOUR RIGHTS, ALL OF THEM, ARE ENFORCED.>>RIGHT. AND HE HAS NOW RAPE A BOOK AND THE TIMING OF THIS IS INTERESTING. RIGHT, BECAUSE IT COMES JUST WEEKS BEFORE A BLOCK BUSTER SUPREME COURT TERM IS GOING TO START. THE SUPREME COURT IS GOING TO LOOK AT LGBT RIGHTS. THE 2nd AMENDMENTS. EVEN IMMIGRATION, MAYBE EVEN ABORTION AND HEALTHCARE. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE THRILLED TO HAVE HIM ON THE BENCH, BUT THERE ARE OTHERS WHO ARE WORRIED, THEY’RE WORRIED ABOUT FIVE CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS JOINING THE COURT AND THEY’RE WORRIED ABOUT THE DIRECTION THAT THE COURT IS GOING TO TAKE. BUT HE SAYS, THAT THOSE ARE A FEW, THOSE 5-4 CASES THAT THE COURT DECIDE EACH YEAR, SO HE’S NOT WORRIED, POPPY, JIM. >>AS JIM SAID, AMAZING ACCESS TO HIM. WE RARELY SEE SITTING SUPREME COURT JUSTICES TALK TO THE MEDIA. WHAT DID HE SAY ABOUT HIS JUDICIAL PHILOSOPHY?>>Reporter: THAT’S WHAT’S INTERESTING. HE’S A SOLID CONSERVATIVE. RIGHT? HE VOTED TO ALLOW THE TRAVEL BAN. HE WOULD HAVE ALLOWED A CITIZENSHIP QUESTION ON THE CENSUS. HE’S FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF JUSTICE ANTHONY SCALIA. HE SAYS HE’S AN ORIGINALIST. HE THINKS JUDGES SHOULDN’T ADD RIGHTS THAT ARE NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION, KEEP IN MIND, HIS CRITICS SAY HIS VISION OF THE LAW IS OUTDATED AND THEY WORRY, THEY SAY HIS PHILOSOPHY WRITES CERTAIN GROUPS OUT OF THE CONSTITUTION. SO THAT’S THE CRITICISM AGAINST HIM. AND HE REJECTS IT.>>I HEARD YOU PRESS HIM AND HIM SAYING THAT 40% OF THE DECISIONS ARE UNANIMOUS BUT THE FACT IS ON THE KEY POLITICAL QUESTIONS, VOTING RIGHTS, GUN CONTROL.>>ABORTION.>>A WHOLE HOST OF THESE THINGS THAT 5-4 LINE WITH FIVE CONSERVATIVES FOUR MORE LIBERAL-LEANING JUSTICES IS PRETTY CONSISTENT. IT’S GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON. WE KNOW WE WILL KEEP TAIK TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THIS IN THE COMING MONTHS. >>>I’M GETTING NEW DETAILS ABOUT THE SKEPTICISM PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS FOR USING FOREIGN SPY FOSS GATHER INTELLIGENCE ON AMERICA’S ADVERSARIES, MORE ON THE C A VERY GOOD MORNING TO YOU. I’M JIM SCUITTO. >>I’M POPPY HARLOW. WE BEGIN WITH IMPORTANT BREAKING NEWS THIS MORNING, REPORTING ON THE PRESIDENT AND HIS RELATIONSHIP AND BELIEF IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, THIS IS AFTER YOUR STUNNING EXCLUSIVE REPORT YESTERDAY ABOUT THE COVERT OPERATION TO REMOVE A RUSSIAN INFORMANT FROM VERY HIGH UP IN MOSCOW IN THE KREMLIN. WE WILL GET TO THOSE DETAILS IN A MOMENT. FIRST NEW REPORTING TO ME THIS MORNING ON THE PRESIDENT.>>IT’S REPORTING THAT HAS CONSEQUENCES FOR SENIOR SECURITY. MULTIPLE OFFICIALS THAT SERVED UNDER TRUMP TELL CNN TRUMP PRIVATELY AND REPEATEDLY EXPRESSED OPPOSITION TO COVERT SOURCES, INCLUDING OVERSEA SPIES WHO PROVIDE THE U.S. GOVERNMENT WITH CRUCIAL INFORMATION ABOUT HOSTILE COUNTRIES. IN PRIVATE, THE PRESIDENT SAID FOREIGN SPICE CAN CHANGE RELATION WITH HOST COUNTRIES AND UNDERMINE PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEIR LEADERS, THE SOURCES SAID. THE PRESIDENT SAYS WE SHOULDN’T BE DOING THAT TO EACH OTHER. ONE FORMER TRUMP OFFICIAL TOLD CNN. IN ADDITION HIS FEARS FOR SUCH INTEL EXCELLENCEGENT SOURCES WILL DAMAGE HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH FOREIGN LEADERS, TRUMP HAS EXPRESSED DOUBTS ABOUT THE CREDIBILITY THEY PROVIDE. ANOTHER FORMER OFFICIAL TOLD CNN TRUMP QUOTE BELIEVES THERE ARE PEOPLE SELLING OUT THEIR COUNTRY. OF COURSE, WE SHOULD NOTE EVEN IN PUBLIC TRUMP HAS LOOKED DOWN ON THESE FOREIGN ASSETS BECAUSE THEY ARE KNOWN IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, RESPONDING IN REPORTS THE CIA RECRUITED KIM JONG-UN’S BROTHER AS A SPY. THIS IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID.>>I SAW THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE CIA WITH RESPECT TO HIS BROTHER OR HALF BROTHER AND I WOULD TELL HIM THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN UNDER MY AUSPICES, THAT’S FOR SURE.>>TRUMP’S SKEPTICAL VIEW ON INFORMING INFORMAT MANTS UNDERMINES ONE OF THE MOST ESSENTIAL WAYS U.S. INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES GATHER INFORMATION ABOUT U.S. ADVERSARIES, INCLUDING ANALYSIS OF THEIR CAPABILITIES AND INTENTIONS. GEL SENTENCE ASSESSMENTS OF NATIONAL SECURITY THREATS ALL TYPICALLY DEPEND ON A COMBINATION OF HUMAN AND SIGNALS INTELLIGENCE AND OTHER SOURCES. THIS INCLUDES ASSESSMENTS ABOUT A WHOLE HOST OF NATIONAL SECURITY THREATS. NORTH KOREA’S EXPANDING PROGRAM AND TERROR THREATS AND MILITARY CAPABILITIES OF RUSSIA AND CHINA. I WILL NOTE THAT IF THE CIA AND WHITE HOUSE BOTH DECLINED REQUEST TO COMMENT FOR THIS STORY. >>SO, THERE IS THAT AND THEN THERE IS THIS OTHER NEW INFORMATION THAT YOU ARE GONE OR CAN TALK ABOUT IN THE LAST 24 HOURS FROM YOUR REPORTING ON THAT VERY HIGH LEVEL INFORMANT WITHIN THE KREMLIN.>>THAT’S RIGHT THIS SPEAKS TO HOW HIGH THIS PERSON WAS AND THIS WAS A RUSSIAN NATIONAL WHO HAD PROVIDED INFORMATION FOR MORE THAN A DECADE AND HAS RISEN TO THE HIGHEST STRUCTURE, THEY MIMIC OURS, THE NNC, SOMEONE WITH SUCH ACCESS TO THE RUSSIAN PRESIDENT THAT THEY HAD THE REMARKABLE ABILITY TO EVEN TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS OF PRESIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS. SO PROVIDING ENORMOUS INSIGHT TO U.S. INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, THAT INSIGHT CONTRIBUTED TO THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE ASSESSMENT ON RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, INCLUDING ON A CRUCIAL FIND TAG PRESIDENT PUTIN DIRECTED, ORDERED THAT INTERFERENCE AND THAT HE DID SO NOT JUST TO DISRUPT U.S. POLITICS, BUT ALSO TO ADVANTAGE PRESIDENT TRUMP OVER HILLARY CLINTON. SO THE LOSS OF THIS ASSET AS IT’S KNOWN IN INTELLIGENCE CIRCLES IS A REAL ONE TO U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY. >>AND THEIR REASONING BEHIND WHY IT WAS LOST IS SO SEQUENTIAL, GOOD REPORTING. GREAT JOB, STAY ON IT. WE KNOW YOU WILL. WE WILL STAY ON IT ON THIS SHOW.>>LET’S GET REACTION FROM THE KREMLIN, CNN MATHEW CHANCE IN MOSCOW, THE PRESIDENT’S SPOKESMAN ASKED DIRECTLY ABOUT THIS REPORTING TODAY.>>YES, HE WAS. BASICALLY, YOU WILL BE HAPPY TO HEAR HE DESCRIBED YOUR REPORTING JIM AS A PULP FICTION. CHEAP SENSATIONALIST, NONSENSE, ESSENTIALLY. YOU SHOULD BE FLATTENED BY THAT BECAUSE IT’S A SIGN OF HOW SENSITIVE THIS ISSUE IS. BECAUSE, REMEMBER, WHAT WAS UNDOUBTEDLY A MAJOR INTELLIGENCE COUP FOR THE AUTHORITIES IN THE UNITED STATES, YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE RUSSIAN POINT OF VIEW. A MAJOR EMBARRASSMENT HAVING REVEALED IN THIS WAY THAT THERE WAS A MOLE WORKING FOR THE UNITED STATES SO HIGH UP IN THE ECHELONS OF POWER RIGHT IN THE SORT OF CORRIDORS OF THE KREMLIN, COMMUNICATING IMPORTANT, SENSITIVE INFORMATION BACK TO THE HANDLERS BACK IN THE UNITED STATES. THAT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE RUSSIANS WANT TO TALK ABOUT. THEY’RE EMBARRASSED ABOUT THIS THEY DO NOT LIKE IT. REMEMBER, RUSSIA HAS RUTHLESS RECORD WHEN IT COMES TO DEALING WITH ITS TRAITORS. WE DON’T HAVE TO GO BACK VERY FAR TO SEE EVIDENCE OF THAT, SERGEI SCRIPO AND HIS DAUGHTER A FORMER AGENT THAT BETRAYED HIS COUNTRY. BACK IF 2006, ALEXANDER LIPANCHENCO WAS POISONED AND HAD AN AGONIZING DEATH IN HIS LONDON HOSPITAL BED AS WELL. I CAN’T SAY FOR SURE, BUT THE EXPECTATION IS, THERE WILL BE CONCERNS ABOUT THE SECURITY OF THIS INFORM MANT NOW AS WELL. >>ONE NOTE ABOUT BOTH THE ATTEMPTED MURDER AND THE MURDER OF LIPMAN YENCO, BOTH ON BRITISH SOIL AND SUBSTANCES THAT THREATEN THOSE TARGETS BUT A WHOLE PEOPLE IN THE UK, NOVACHUK. EXTREMELY RADIOACTIVE. GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON THE FLOOR.>>PULP FICTION. YOU SHOULD TAKE THAT AS A COMPLIMENT. >>WE ARE HEARING AT HOME THIS MORNING FROM THE ACTING CHIEF OF NOAA AFTER THE “NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTED THAT COMMERCE SECRETARY WILBUR ROSS THREATENED TO FIRE TOP AGENCIES IF THE AGENCY DID NOT SUPPORT PRESIDENT TRUMP’S CLAIMS THAT HURRICANE DORIAN WOULD IMPACT ALABAMA. NEIL JACOBS JUST FINISHED SPEAKING AT THE NATIONAL WEATHER ASSOCIATION MEETING. OUR MARTIN SAVIDGE WAS INSIDE THE ROOM THERE IN HUNTSVILLE, ALABAMA. MARTIN, HOW DID JACOBS ADDRESS THIS?>>Reporter: HE WALKED A VERY FINE LINE, JIM, IN SUPPORT OF BOTH THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AND, OF COURSE, ALSO HE SEEMED TO UPHANDEDLY BE SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT AS WELL. IT IS HARD TO REALLY DESCRIBE TO YOU HOW CAREFULLY HE WAS TRYING TO WALK A LINE IN BETWEEN THE TWO. HE DID NOT MENTION THE PRESIDENT BY NAME. HE DID NOT MENTION THE ERRONEOUS TWEET THAT THE PRESIDENT PUT OUT, TALKING ABOUT ALABAMA BEING IN DANGER OF HURRICANE DORIAN. WHAT HE DID DO IS GO INTO THE DIFFICULTY OF FORECASTING AND ON AND ON ABOUT THAT. HE DID, THOUGH, ALSO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS UP UNTIL ADVISORY 29. THIS IS ONE OF THE KEY ADVISORIES THAT CAME OUT ACTUALLY 24 HOURS BEFORE PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HE MADE WHAT MANY MATE CONSIDER A CONTROVERSIAL REMARK. HE SAID, UP UNTIL ADVISORY 29, THE GULF STATES, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE AREA OF ALABAMA, WERE UNDER MORE OF A THREAT THAN THE CAROLINAS. THERE ARE MANY IN THE WEATHER PROFESSION THAT WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT PARTICULAR CHARACTERIZATION, WHICH WOULD SEEM TO LEND SUPPORT TO PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I WANT YOU TO LISTEN, THOUGH, TO FURTHER COMMENTS THAT CAME FROM DIRECTOR ACTING DIRECTOR JACOBS TALKING ABOUT ALABAMA. HERE’S WHAT HE HAD TO SAY. IT’S AN AUDIO RECORDING.>>AT WHAT POINT HOW BAD WAS ALABAMA IN THE MIX AS WAS THE REST OF THE SOUTHEAST, THE ENSEMBLES, NOT J YOU THE GFS ENSEMBLES, THE — ROLES PARTICULARLY OUT IN THIS FORECAST.>>Reporter: NOW, LET’S GET BACK TO THAT VERY CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT THAT CAME OUT FROM NOAA. REMEMBER, THAT WAS UNSIGNED. SOW REALLY COULDN’T TRACE IT BACK TO ANYONE. BUT IT SEEMED TO SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT AND AT THE SAME TIME NOT THE BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA OFFICE, THAT HAD COME OUT WITH A CONTRADICTORY REPORT THAT ALABAMA WAS NEVER IN JEOPARDY. THE DIRECTOR, ACTING DIRECTOR, SAYS THE PURPOSE OF THAT STATEMENT WAS TO CLARIFY THE TECHNICAL DETAILS. WHAT IT DID NOT SAY, HOWEVER IS, WE UNDERSTAND AND FULLY SUPPORT THE GOOD INTENTIONS OF THE BIRMINGHAM WEATHER OFFICE AS HE TRIED TO CALM FEARS IN SHORT PUBLIC SAFETY. HE SAYS, NO ONE IS GOING TO BE FIRED OVER THIS, BUT IT IS CLEAR THIS ISSUE IS NOT GOING AWAY, JIM, POPPY. >>MARTY SAVIDGE, GLAD ARE YOU THERE. LET’S TALK ABOUT THIS AND MORE. GOOD MORNING TO YOU BOTH. LET ME BEGIN WITH YOU, YOU HAD JIM HINES, THE DEMOCRAT IN CONGRESS SAYING IF THIS IS TRUE, THE “NEW YORK TIMES” REPORT TAG WILBUR ROSS THREATENED FIRE NOAA OFFICIALS IF THEY DIDN’T STAND DOWN FROM CONTRADICTING THE PRESIDENT. IF THAT’S TRUE, WILBUR ROSS SHOULD RESIGN. THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT IS SAYING THIS IS HOGWASH. THIS IS FALSE. YOU HAVE JOHN THUNES THE SECOND RANKING REPUBLICAN LEADER AND NEW CHAIRMAN SAYING QUOTE WE WANT THE WEATHER SERVICE TO OPERATE WITH INTEGRITY AND WITHOUT BIAS. I MEAN, WHERE HAVE WE COME THAT WEATHER HAS BECOME POLITICIZED?>>YEAH, POPPY. WEATHER, TYPICALLY, NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE. BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS SUFFER FROM NATURAL DISASTERS. THEY BOTH WANT TO RELY ON THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TO PUT OUT ACCURATE INFORMATION. IT’S CLEAR FROM THIS STATEMENT THAT CAME OUT LAST FRIDAY WAS THIS WAS DONE UNDER DURESS. THIS WAS NOT A STATEMENT THEY WANTED TO PUT OUT. THEY WERE BUDGET IT OUT WITHOUT A NAME ATTACHED TO IT SEVERAL DAYS AFTER THE ORIGINAL TWEET FROM BIRMINGHAM. IT WAS CLEAR THAT SOMETHING TRIGGERED THIS AND THE “NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTING SHOWS THAT IT WAS THE THREAT OF FIRING THAT THIS HAD BECOME SUCH A HOT BUTTON ISSUE. SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT TO THE ADMINISTRATION, TO THE WHITE HOUSE, NOT ONLY DO THEY PUT OUT MULTIPLE STATEMENTS FROM THE HOMELAND SECURITY ADVISER AND THE PRESIDENT’S TWITTER ACCOUNT. THEY PRESSURED NORMALLY A POLITICAL NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TO PUT OUT A STATEMENT BACKING UP THE PRESIDENT AND REALLY UNDERCUTTING THEIR OWN OFFICIALS. SO, IT WAS CLEAR THAT THIS WAS DONE UNDER DURESS AND THERE WERE RAMIFICATION OF THIS ARE STARTING TO CONTINUE INTO A SECOND WEEK AS MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PUSHED BACK AND SAY THAT THEY’RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA OF HAVING THEIR SERVICE POLITICIZED BY THE WHITE HOUSE, BY THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT OR BY ANYONE IN THE ADMINISTRATION.>>IT SEEMS WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS THAT SEVERAL DAYS BEFORE, IT WAS POSSIBLE ALABAMA WAS IN THE SIGHTS OF THE STORM. BY THE TIME THE PRESIDENT WAS TWEETING ABOUT IT, NEW INFORMATION HAD MADE THAT NO LONGER TRUE, BUT TO KIND OF BACKFILL THIS STATEMENT NOW THE WHEELS, THE MACHINERY OF GOVERNMENT HAD TO KIND OF COME IN TO DEFEND THE PRESIDENT. BECAUSE HE WOULDN’T ADMIT JUST A SIMPLE MISTAKE THERE.>>THAT IS THE CORE ISSUE.>>RIGHT. I THINK THAT’S IMPORTANT TO RAISE THIS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS TRULY EXTRAORDINARY. THE MACHINERY OF GOVERNMENT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR, YOU KNOW, TO COVER UP FOR POLITICAL MISSTEPS. THAT’S NOT THE POINT OF GOVERNMENT. TRADITIONALLY, THERE HAS BEEN A BIT OF A SEPARATION BETWEEN THE CIVIL SERVICE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DELIVERING NON-PARTISAN INFORMATION, IN THIS CASE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’S SAFETY. AND THE WHITE HOUSE AND MORE OF THE POLITICAL APPOINTEES. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS REALLY VIOLATED THAT IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. THIS ADMINISTRATION, WE’VE SEEN HIM ATTACK THE CIVIL SERVICE QUITE AGGRESSIVELY, CERTAINLY THE BEGINNING OF HIS TIME IN OFFICE. NOW I THINK YOU SEE THAT SENSE THAT EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL FILTERING IN A CONCERNING WAY INTO THESE, DOWN INTO THE GOVERNMENT.>>THAT THE JOB IS TO FREEZE BOSS RATHER THAN DELIVER INFORMATION LIBEL INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC.>>LET’S TURN THE PAGE HERE. OF COURSE, WE WILL STAY ON THE STORY AND SEE WHERE IT ALL SHAKES OUT. BUT ON THE ECONOMY, WHICH HAS REALLY BEEN PROPPING UP THE PRESIDENT, YOU ARE ON THE BYLINE OF THE WASHINGTON POST ABC NEWS POLLING, THE HEADLINE IS THAT MOST AMERICANS NOW THINK THAT THE U.S. ECONOMY IS GOING TO FALL INTO A RECESSION IN THE RELATIVE NEAR TERM SIX AND 10. RIGHT, THERE YOU GO. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE PRESIDENT?>>WELL, THIS IS TYPICALLY FOR THIS PRESIDENT, HE LIKES TO TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY. HE THINKS THAT’S THE STRONGEST MESSAGE GOING INTO 2020. RIGHT NOW, IT SEEMS THAT PEOPLE ARE WORRIED THAT A RECESSION MAY BE COMING. AS YOU SAID, SIX IF TEN AMERICANS ACCORDING TO THIS POLL BELIEVE RECESSION IS LIKELY IN THE NEXT YEAR,ALS, SIX IN TEN BELIEVE THAT THEIR PRICES AT THE GROCERY STORE AND ON THE OTHER THINGS THEY BUY WILL INCREASE BECAUSE OF THE PRESIDENT’S TRADE WAR WITH CHINA. THEY DIRECTLY LINK THE ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY WITH THE PRESIDENT’S TRADE POISES, WITH THE PRESIDENT’S ECONOMIC POLICIES. SO WHAT HAS BEEN A STRONG SUIT FOR THE PRESIDENT, THE ECONOMY IS NOW MORE OF A MIXED PAG WITH A LOT OF AMERICAN — MIXED BAG, WITH A LOT OF AMERICANS SAYING IT’S GOING TO TAKE A TURN FOR THE WORST, THERE IS GOING TO BE A SLOW DOWN.>>THAT IS A DIFFICULT MESSAGE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE TO HEAR. BECAUSE ON EVERY OTHER ISSUE THE PRESIDENT IS UNDER WATER. IF HE STARTS TO FALL UNDER WATER ON THE ECONOMY, IT WILL MAKE HIS RE-ELECTION TOUGHER OVER THE NEXT 16 MONTHS.>>IT SEEMS TO BE AFFECTING THE TOP LINE, OVERALL APPROVAL. THANKS, SO MUCH FOR COMING ON THIS MORNING.>>>STILL TO COME THIS HOUR, VOTERS HITTING THE POLLS RIGHT NOW FOR A CRITICAL RACE IN NORTH CAROLINA. ONE WIDELY SEEN AS A TEST FOR THE PRESIDENT AND REPUBLICANS HEADED INTO 2020.>>>PLUS THE PRESIDENT SAYS THE TALKS OF THE TALIBAN ARE WELCOME BACK TO THIS MORNING. THE PRESIDENT’S SPECIAL ENVOY TO AFGHANISTAN SAYS THE U.S. AND THE TALIBAN HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT FROM PRINCIPLE, PENDING FINAL APPROVAL BY THE PRESIDENT.>>THAT AGREEMENT WOULD PULL THE TROOPS IN 125 DAYS IF THE TALIBAN MEETS CERTAIN TERMS IN THE AGREEMENT. THIS COMES AS TALKS OF THE TALIBAN WERE DEAD. JOINING ME TOM REED, HE CO-CHAIRS THE PROBLEM SOLVERS CAUCUS, GOOD MORNING, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH ME.>>GOOD TO BE WITH YOU, POPPY.>>GIVEN THAT AND WHAT THEY SAID A FEW WEEKS AGO IN LATE AUGUST, WE HEARD THE TALIBAN TELL REUTERS QUOTE WE WILL CONTINUE OUR FIGHT AGAINST THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT TO SEIZE POWER BY FORCE, REGARDLESS OF ANY AGREEMENT WITH THE UNITED STATES. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE TALIBAN CAN BE TRUSTED TO TRULY END THE VIOLENCE IF THERE IS AN AGREEMENT?>>WELL, THE TALIBAN HAS A RICH LEGACY OF NOT BEING TRUSTWORTHY IN OUR GROUP TO WORK WITH OR HONOR ANY AGREEMENT. THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF NEGOTIATION WITH THE TALIBAN AND OTHERS IN THAT REGION TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE WITHDRAW, WE DON’T CREATE A BIGGER PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD FOR AMERICA’S INTERESTS.>>ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE NEGOTIATIONS HAPPENING AT CAMP DAVID AS THE PRESIDENT HAD PLANNED JUST A FEW DAYS BEFORE 9/11 AND HAPPENING WITHOUT THE INVOLVEMENT, AT LEAST AT THE OUTSET OF THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT S. THAT THE RIGHT COURSE?>>I’M NOT SO CONCERNED AS TO WHERE. OBVIOUSLY, I DON’T APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT A MEMBER OF THE TALIBAN WOULD BE ON SOIL ESPECIALLY AROUND 9/11 COMING TO NEW YORK.>>THAT TO ME NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. WHAT I FOCUS IS NOT THE WHERE BUT WHEN AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO WITHDRAW FROM AFGHANISTAN? I THINK IT’S PRUDENT FOR US TO DO THAT. AND I APPRECIATE THE PRESIDENT’S DISRUPTIVE STYLE OF AT LEAST HONORING THE COMMITMENT OF NEGOTIATING WITH ANYONE HE HAS TO IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN THE MILITARY SAFE AND SOUND BY BRINGING THEM HOME.>>LET’S SPEND SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT GUNS. TODAY THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WILL VOTE ON A SERIES OF GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION MEASURES, BANK HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES, RED FLAG LEGISLATION, A BILL TO PREVENT PEOPLE CONVICTED OF MISDEMEANOR AND HATE CRIMES WHEN PURCHASING FIREARMS. YOU VOTED AGAINST BOTH OF THE HOUSE’S BACKGROUND CHECK BILLS EARLIER IN THE YEAR. THAT WAS HR8 AND HR1112. SHOULD THE HOUSE PASS ANY OF THOSE MEASURES I OUTLINED, SIR?>>IT DEPENDS ON THE DETAILS WHEN THEY COME TO THE COMMITTEE. WE’LL SEE. WHAT I BELIEVE THE BETTER SOLUTION IS TO IF CUSFOCUS ON T WHO SOLUTION? WHO ARE COMMITTING THESE ACTS? THEY DEMONSTRATED THEY DO NOT HAVE THEIR 2nd AMENDMENT FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOM AS GUARANTEED BY THE 2nd AMENDMENT.>>LET’S SPEND TIME ON THE LEGISLATION YOU HAVE READ. YOU VOTED ON IT. BOTH OF THEM, HR8 AND HR 1112. WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT 89% OF AMERICANS AGREE SHOULD HAPPEN AND THAT IS UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS, SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE STOPPED THE ODESSA SHOOTER FROM GETTING THAT GUN AFTER HE FAILED THAT FEDERAL BACKGROUND CHECK. LISTEN TO YOUR FELLOW REPUBLICAN OF NEW YORK PETER KING JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO.>>IT’S NOT GOING TO ANSWER ALL OF IT. IT’S A SMALL PART. WE DON’T KNOW. WE DO KNOW IT WILL SAVE LIVES AND IT WILL START MAKING IT HARDER AND HARDER FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS TO OBTAIN WEAPONS. >>HE SAYS IT’S NOT PERFECT. HE SAYS IT WILL SAVE LIVES. YOU ARE CO-CHAIR OF THE PROBLEMS SOLVER CAUCUS. HE VOTED FOR A LEGISLATION. HE WAS STANDING ALONGSIDE CHUCK SCHUMER AT THAT EVENT. IS HE WRONG?>>I DISAGREE ON THIS ISSUE. I THINK YOU GO DOWN THE SLOPE OF UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND, NOW ARE YOU TALKING LAW ABIDING CITIZENS CAUGHT UP INTO A SYSTEM THAT IS PROVEN WITH A BACKGROUND CHECKS THAT WE HAVE TODAY TO BE FLAWED AND DEFECTIVE. MAYBE THE BETTER COURSE IS IF WE ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON THE BACKGROUND CHECK SOLUTION, HOW DO WE FIX THE EXISTING LEGISLATION, EXISTING BACKGROUND CHECKS?>>HOW IS IT FLAWED? DO YOU TRULY NOT BELIEVE, CONGRESSMAN, HAVING UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS WOULD SAVE LIVES?>>WHAT IS FLAWED IS YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THE SYSTEM TODAY OF THE EXISTING BACKGROUND CHECK WITH FALSE INFORMATION, WITH ERRONEOUS INFORMATION. >>I GET THAT –>>WITH THE ABILITY –>>I GET THAT I’M ASKING YOU, CLEARLY, DO YOU REALLY NOT BELIEVE THAT JUST HAVING UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS, WHICH HAS SUCH OVERWHELMING BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FROM AMERICAN VOTERS, WOULD NOT SAVE LIVES?>>I’D BE CLEAR WITH YOU. I BELIEVE IN THE 2nd AMENDMENT, ASTAND ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT. -ON-AN INFRINGEMENT.>>THE SECOND AMENDMENT DOES NOT SAY CRAZY PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE GUNS. A WELL REG LATE MILITIA BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHAM NOT BE INFRINGED. IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE NUTS BEING ABLE TO HAVE GUNS. IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT HAVE TRUE MENTAL ILLNESS. THOSE PEOPLE AS WELL. IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THAT, SIR.>>NOW YOU ARE TALKING MY LANGUAGE. SO IF YOU WANT TO GO AND ESTABLISH A SYSTEM WHERE SOMEBODY IS ADJUDICATED TO BE A PSYCHOPATHIC INDIVIDUAL WITH VIOLENT TENDENCIES. I DON’T USE THE WORD CRAZY. I THINK THAT’S THAT BRIDGE TOO FAR. IF YOU HAVE A DIAGNOSED AND DECLARED PSYCHOPATHIC MENTAL ILLNESS, YES, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, THAT INDIVIDUAL SHOULD NOT HAVING A SAYS TO A GUN. THAT’S NOT A UNIVERSE AM BACKGROUND CHECK, IS EVERYBODY HAS TO GO INTO THAT SYSTEM AND I DON’T THINK THAT’S TOO FAR.>>CONGRESSMAN, WHY SHOULDN’T EVERYONE? LET ME TALK ABOUT YOUR DISTRICT. OKAY. LET ME TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN YOUR DISTRICT WHO WAS MURDERED JUST RECENTLY. YOU’VE TALKED ABOUT HIM. HIS NAME IS TREVOR IRBY. HE WAS 25 YEARS OLD. HE WAS MURDERED WITH AN ASSAULT-TYPE RIFLE AT THE GILROY GARLIC FESTIVAL IN CALIFORNIA. >>I KNOW TREVOR.>>YOU KNOW HIM?>>I DON’T KNOW HIM PERSONALLY. I KNOW HISTORY, YES.>>YET YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO LEGISLATION, SIR, NONE AT ALL.>>THAT’S NOT WHAT I’M SAYING.>>– LIMITING THOSE WEAPONS? IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S NOT WHAT WE’RE SAYING. WHAT I’M SAYING IS IF YOU ATTACK THE WHAT SOLUTIONS GOING AFTER WEAPONS PER SE.>>THAT IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. IF YOU USE THE TERM CRAZY, PSYCHOPATHIC INDIVIDUALS ADJUDICATED, I WILL WORK WITH YOU TO SAY THOSE INDIVIDUALS SHOULD NOT HAVING A SAYS TO WEAPONS. A DEFENDANT CRIMINALLY CONVICTED AND USED A WEAPON IN A CRIME SHOULD NEVER HAVE A 2nd AMENDMENT RIGHT.>>THAT WE CAN FIND COMMON GROUND ON. >>ON ASSAULT WEAPONS, YOU DO NOT SUPPORT ANY LEGISLATION RESTRICTING THEM, CORRECT, THE SAME TYPE OF WEAPON THAT MURDERED TREVOR, IS THAT RIGHT?>>WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BANNING ASSAULT RIFLES, I DO NOT SUPPORT THAT. BECAUSE HOW DO YOU DEFINE AN ASSAULT RIFLE? I’VE SEEN FOLKS THROW THIS OUT IN SUCH A WAY IT WOULD TRIGGER FOLKS WITH SHOTGUNS, RIFLE, HANDGUNS DULY LICENSED AND BANNING THE EXPENSE. >>THAT’S NOT THE SAME THING AND JIM ASKED YOU AS YOU KNOW A FEW WEEKS AGO ON THIS PROGRAM ABOUT HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES. RIGHT, LIKE THE ONE THAT WAS USED IN DAYTON. DO YOU THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANY LIMITS ON THOSE?>>ESTAND ON FINDING COMMON GROUND ON THE WHO SOLUTION I AM A FIRM BELIEVER OF THE 2nd AECHLTD I STAND WITH THE INDIVIDUAL AND ON THE SIDE OF FREEDOM. >>THE HOUSE AGAIN IS VOTING ON THESE MAYBES TODAY ON A NUMBER OF THESE MEASURES THAT I JUST LAID OUT. WHAT GUN REFORM LAWS IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW DO YOU SUPPORT? ARE THERE ANY?>>YES. I SUPPORTED THE BACKGROUND CHECK, FIX THE KNICKS ACT. I VOTED FOR THAT. THAT WAS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND I WOULD ALSO SAY. >>CURRENTLY, ARE THERE — PROPOSALS OUT THERE THAT YOU SUPPORT THAT YOU THINK WOULD HELP KEEP AMERICANS SAFER ON GUNS?>>THERE ARE PROPOSALS, FOR EXAMPLE, ON CRIMINAL DEFENDANTS THAT HAVE USED A WEAPON FOR MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE STIFF INCARCERATION THAT WOULD REMOVE THE INDIVIDUAL FROM SOCIETY TO COMMIT THESE CRIMES, THAT WOULD PREVENT A LOT OF GUN VIOLENCE IN OUR INNER CITIES IF PARTICULAR. I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF PSYCHOPATHIC INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE BEEN ADJUDICATED, LOSING THEIR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT THEY GET THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE SHOULD PROVIDE TO THEM TO GET THEM INTO A STABLE CONDITION.>>THAT LEGISLATIVE I’M SUPPORTIVE OF. >>EXCEPT WITHOUT RED FLAG LAWS DON’T LOSE THE ABILITY TO IDENTIFY THOSE PEOPLE?>>THAT’S WHERE WE ARE POTENTIALLY OPENED TO A CONVERSATION TO BE SINCERELY HONEST WITH YOU. IF WE ENGAGE ON THE WHO, YOU BRING MORE PEOPLE TOGETHER. THAT’S WHERE I THINK THERE IS COMMON GROUND.>>COMMON GROUND, WE HEARD THIS MORNING THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT COMPROMISE. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, CONGRESSMAN TOM REED.>>GREAT TO BE WITH YOU. >>YOU GOT IT. >>YOU GOT REPUBLICAN SUPPORT BEHIND RED FLAG LAWS, THAT HAS BEEN OPPOSED BY THE FRA AND OTHERS IN THE PAST. THAT’S NOTABLE. >>WE’LL SEE. WE’LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. THESE VOTES ARE TODAY.>>>IS A DO-OVER FROM THE 2018 MID-TERMS, IT MAY AS WELL BE 2020, MORE ON THE SPECIAL ELECTION TODAY. IT>>>ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A SPECIAL DO-OVER ELECTION IF YOU WILL. IT’S MORE THAN A U.S. HOUSE SEAT ON THE LINE, THOUGH. SOME SEE THE OUTCOME OF TODAY’S RACE BETWEEN REPUBLICAN DAN BISHOP AND DEMOCRAT DAN McCREADY AS A REFERENDUM ON THE PRESIDENT TRUMP PRESIDENCY IN HIS 2020 ELECTION BID.>>THE STAKES ARE SO HIGH, THE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT VISITED NORTH CAROLINA FOR A CAMPAIGN RALLY. JOINING US TO DISCUSS THE OBSERVE, TAYLOR BATTEN. FOR FOLKS AT HOME WHO MIGHT FORGET THIS THIS RACE WAS VOIDED, FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS TIGHT IN 2018, A DEMOCRAT LOST BY LESS THAN A THOUSAND VOTES. BUT IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE LOELT GOP COMMITTED CRIMINAL ELECTION FRAUD TO ADVANTAGE THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE. I’M CURIOUS, IS THAT FACTORING INTO THIS RACE AS YOU ARE COVERING IT THERE.>>YES, IT SURE IS. THAT WAS ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT TILTED THIS RACE TO BE MORE COMPETITIVE THAN IT MIGHT HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN. YOU KNOW, AFTER THE SCANDAL, IT WAS A FUN PLAN OF AN ELECTION IN 2018 VOTING SCANDALS AND THE DEMOCRAT DAN McCREADY WHO IS RUNNING AGAIN LOST BY 905 VOTES, BUT THERE HAS KIND OF BAN LITTLE OF A STAIN FROM THAT WHOLE EPISODE ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THEY’VE HAD TO OVERCOME THAT IN THIS RACE.>>SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT HISTORY HERE, A DEMOCRAT HASN’T WON THIS DISTRICT SINCE 1963. THE PRESIDENT WON IT BY 12 POINTS. WHAT — YOU KNOW BUT THIS ONE’S SO CLOSE. WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT THE DEMOCRAT RETAKES THIS SEAT AND WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU EVEN IF A DEMOCRAT COMES CLOSE ABOUT WHERE THE POLITICAL WINDS ARE SHIFTING?>>YEAH, THE REASON THE REST OF THE COUNTRY OUGHT TO BE IN THIS RACE IT IS A REFERENDUM ON PRESIDENT TRUMP AND POTENTIAL HARBORING OF WHAT’S COMING IN 2020. THIS WAS AS YOU SAID, THIS WAS A DISTRICT THAT TRUMP CARRIED VERY EASILY IN 2016 BY 12 POINTS AND NOW THE REPUBLICAN DAN BISHOP IS IN A HECK OF A FIGHT WITH DAN McCREADY. ALL THOSE INSIDE POLLS WE ARE TOLD PRIVATE POLLS SUGGEST IT IS AN EXTREMELY CLOSE RACE. THE OTHER THING ABOUT IT IS THAT THIS DISTRICT IS PARTLY URBAN, PARTLY SUBURBAN, EXURBAN AND RURAL, IT’S GOT ALL OF IT. IT GOES ACROSS NORTH CAROLINA SO IT IS GOING TO REALLY TEST WHETHER THOSE SUBURBAN VOTERS THAT WENT PRETTY HEAVILY FOR TRUMP IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE COUNTRY IN 2016, HOW THEY’RE FEELING NOW.>>WE SAW IN 2018, THE MID-TERMS, PARTICULARLY SUBURBAN WOMEN TENDED TO TURN A LOT OF THOSE SWING DISTRICTS BLUE FROM RED. FINAL QUESTION BEFORE WE GO, THE ECONOMY, SUCH A KEY FACTOR AS WE APPROACH 2020. I’M JUST CURIOUS ON THE GROUND THERE IN THAT DISTRICT WHERE YOU ARE, WHAT ARE THE FEELINGS ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF THE ECONOMY AND HOW MIGHT THAT INFLUENCE THE VOTING?>>WELL, THAT PROBABLY DIFFERS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE DISTRICT. YOU KNOW THE FAR WESTERN END OF THE DISTRICT IS HERE IN CHARLOTTE, WHERE THE ECONOMY IS BOOMING. THERE ARE DOWNTOWN IS DOTTED WITH CRANES EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK. AS YOU GO EASTWARD, OUT INTO THE RURAL PARTS OF THE DISTRICT, THE ECONOMY IS STILL STRONG BUT NOT LIKE IT IS HERE AND SO, YEAH, IF THERE IS ANY UNEASE ABOUT THAT, THAT WOULD AFFECT HOW THIS RACE PLAYS OUT.>>WELL, WE’LL KNOW ABOUT THAT WARNING. YOU WILL HAVE A BUSY NIGHT. >>WE’LL KNOW TONIGHT.>>THERE YOU GO ZBLPT UNLESS IT’S REALLY CLOSE. IT COULD GO LONGER.>>JIM IS LIKE A NIGHT OWL. TAYLOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE’LL SEE YOU SOON. >>THANK YOU.>>>SO, A NEW QUESTION THIS MORNING FROM THE OVSI . >>>HOUSE DEMOCRATS ARE PRESSING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THIS MORNING ON THEIR DECISION TO DELAY FOR MONTHS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA.>>>MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT SUBCOMMITTEE WANT TO KNOW WHY IT TOOK THAT TIME TO POSE THOSE SANCTIONS, THIS ON RUSSIA FOR THE POISONING OF EXRUSSIAN SPY SERGEI SPINOW AND HIS DAUGHTER IN THE UNITED KINGDOM. WHAT MORE ARE WE LEARNING FROM THIS DELAY?>>Reporter: THAT’S RIGHT. SO IT TOOK NINE MONTHS FROM THE TIME THE STATE DEPARTMENT SAYS THIS ACTION BY THE RUSSIANS WHEN THEY POISONED AN EXRUSSIAN SPY AND HIS DAUGHTER ON UK SOIL WERE NOT LEGALLY ACCEPTABLE BY THE U.S. IT TOOK NINE MONTHS FOR THE U.S. TO PUT SANCTION ON RUSSIA. SO THAT’S WHY THIS COMMITTEE IS ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT. WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG? THEY WANT SOME ANSWERS TO GET SOME VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. WHO ARE THE FOLKS THAT MADE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE WHITE HOUSE? WHAT DID THE RECOMMENDATIONS SAY? AND WHO SIGNED OFF ON THESE SANCTIONS? BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THIS LETTER FROM THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRMAN, WHAT ACTUALLY WENT INTO ACTION HERE WAS INSUFFICIENT ACCORDING TO U.S. GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WHO HAD LOOKED AT THESE SANCTIONS IN THE PAST. SO THEY ALSO WANT A TRANSCRIPT, ACTUALLY OF PRESIDENT TRUMP AND PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN WHEN THEY SPOKE OVER THE PHONE IN JULY. REALLY GETTING DOWN TO THE NITTY-GRITTY OF HOW THESE SANCTION CAME TO FROM YOUITION. I WANT TO READ YOU A QUOTE FROM THE LETTER FROM THE HOUSE SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRMAN SAYING, QUOTE, YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS CLAIMED ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS THAT WE CONDEMN IN THE STRONGEST POSSIBLE TERMS THE USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS ANYWHERE, BY ANYONE, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. THESE WORDS RING HOLLOW IF THEY ARE NOT ENFORCED THROUGH TIMELY, MEANINGFUL SANCTIONS AND REMEDIAL ACTION. SO, CLEARLY, THEY’RE ASKING FOR SOME VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND A STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL IS TELLING US THAT AFTER THEY RECEIVED THESE TWO LETTERS IN AUGUST, IT’S TAKEN THEM A WHILE TO GET THE ANSWERS, THEY’RE EXPECTED TO GIVE THE ANSWERS TO THE COMMITTEE TODAY.>>KYLIE, THANKS SO MUCH FOR THAT REPORTING. STILL AHEAD THIS HOUR, AS PEOPLE ACROSS THE U.S. STRUGGLE TO PAY MEDICAL COSTS,>>>I THINK IT’S FAIR TO SAY MEDICAL DEBT IS A CRISIS IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. TWO OUT OF EVERY THREE BANKRUPTCIES IN THE U.S. RIGHT NOW ARE TIED TO MEDICAL ISSUES AND THE DEBT FROM HOSPITAL STAYS, DOCTORS VISIT, ET CETERA, ACCORDING TO A STUDY PUBLISHED THIS YEAR IN THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PUBLIC HEALTH.>>A DEBT CAN SOMETIMES BE CRUSHING, SOMETIMES HOSPITALS END UP GOING AFTER PATIENT WAS DON’T PAY, BY HOUNDING THEM WITH COLLECTION CALLS, SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT ELIZABETH COHEN VISITED A HOSPITAL THAT’S GOING EVEN FARTHER.>>Reporter: CARLSBAD, NEW MEXICO, WHERE THE PEKOS RIVER WINDS ITS WAY THROUGH THE DESERT AND THE VALLEY. STUNNING. AND REMOTE. SOME RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS AND ONE HOSPITAL. CARLSBAD MEDICAL CENTER. WHEN HAVE YOU AN EMERGENCY IN CARLSBAD, NEW MEXICO, A HEART ATTACK, A BROKEN BONE, IS THERE A CHOICE ABOUT WHERE YOU GO?>>NO.>>HOW MANY HOSPITALS ARE IN TOWN IN. >>ONE.>>PATIENTS HERE ARE AT ITS MERCY, FORCED TO PAY WHATEVER IT CHARGES. PATIENTS LIKE DONNA HERNANDEZ, WHO MANAGES A LOCAL HOTEL HERE. LAST YEAR WHENEN SHE HAD THE FLU AND WENT TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM, SHE RECEIVED A BILL FOR $6,000.>>AND IT WAS $6,000, TWO-AND-A-HALF HOURS IN THAT HOSPITAL. >>WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU GOT A $6,000 BILL FOR TWO HOURS OF CARE?>>I WAS SHOCKED.>>.>>Reporter: AND WHEN PATIENTS CAN’T PAY, THE HOSPITAL WILL SOMETIMES SUE THEM TO COLLECT THE MONEY. A CNN INVESTIGATION OF COURT RECORDS SHOWS IN THE PAST TEN YEARS, CARLSBAD MEDICAL CENTER HAS SUED MORE THAN 3,000 PEOPLE TO COLLECT DEBT. EVERYONE HERE, DONNA, VICTORIA PENA, MISTY PRICE AND HER HUSBAND A.J. PRICE HAVE ALL BEEN SUED BETY HOSPITAL. SOMETIMES AS A PART OF THE LAWSUIT, CARLSBAD MEDICAL CENTER TAKES MONEY RIGHT OUT OF THEIR PAYCHECKS. IT HAPPENED TO VICTORIA, A TEACHER’S AIDE.>>WHY WOULD THE HOSPITAL DO THAT? YOU KNOW, YOU ARE NOT JUST HURTING ME, OR MAKING ME PAY, YOU ARE HURTING MY HUSBAND AND MY KIDS AND OUR LIVELIHOOD.>>SO HOW MANY OF HAVE YOU EITHER HAD YOUR WAGES GARNISHED OR ARE ABOUT TO HAVE YOUR WAGES GARNISHED? EVERYBODY. SO THEY GO RIGHT INTO YOUR PAYCHECK? AND TAKE OUT THE MONEY. >>CONTACT YOUR EMPLOYER. >>THEY GO TROOIT STRAIGHT TO YOUR HR.>>YOU CAN’T GO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.>>>MISTY WAS A SINGLE MOM WHEN SHE WAS SUED, RAISING THREE KIDS. SHE SAVED STACKS OF BILLS AND LEGAL PAPERS WITH HER FIGHT WITH THE HOSPITAL. >>I HAD A CAR REPOSSESSED. I LOST A HOUSE. I DIDN’T KNOW HOW I WAS GOING TO SUPPORT MY KIDS. I MEAN IT MAKES YOU NOT WANT TO GET MEDICAL CARE, BECAUSE THEY’RE GOING TO COME AFTER YOU. I’VE HAD INSURANCE THE ENTIRE TIME. >>YOU WERE WORKING AT THE TIME?>>THREE JOBS. >>Reporter: CARLSBAD MEDICAL CENTER SAYS IT SUES AS A LAST RESORT. IN A STATEMENT, THE HOSPITAL CEO TOLD US, WE SUE LESS THAN ONE PER SENT OF THE PATIENTS WHO RECEIVE CARE AT OUR HOSPITAL. BEFORE INITIATING A COLLECTION SUIT AGAINST ANYONE, WE MAKE MULTIPLE ATTEMPT, USUALLY TRYING TO CONTACT OUR PATIENTS TEN TO 12 TIMES TO OFFER ADDITIONAL DISCOUNTS OFF OF ALREADY DISCOUNTED CHARGES. IN MANY CASES, PATIENTS DO NOT RESPOND TO OUR CALLS AND LETTERS. MOST OTHER HOSPITALS IN THE AREA MacA DIFFERENT CHOICE. ARTESIA GENERAL AND LINCOLN COUNTY MEDICAL CENTER AND NONE OF THEM SOUGHT DEBT COLLECTION. IT’S NOT SURE HOW MANY GARNISH WAGES LIKE CARLSBAD MEDICAL CENTER DOES. A STUDY IN VIRGINIA FOUND IN 2017, 36% OF HOSPITALS GARNISHED WAGES. DR. MARTY McCARE CARRIE IS ONE OF THE STUDY AUTHORS.>>TELL ME ABOUT CARLSBAD, NEW MEXICO.>>THIS IS A WONDERFUL SMALL TOWN OF ABOUT 28,000. KIND OF YOUR CLASSIC AMERICANA TOWN. >>Reporter: IN HIS NEW BOOK, THE PRICE WE PAY, HE HAS A NEW CHAPTER ON CARLSBAD MEDICAL CENTER. WE MET MISTY PRICE. SHE’S BEEN SUED. HER HUSBAND WAS SUED. HER SISTER WAS SUED. HER SISTER’S HUSBAND WAS SUED. HER BEST FRIEND’S HUSBAND WAS SUED.>>THAT’S A DISGRACE. HOW DOES ONE LOCAL COMMUNITY HOSPITAL CREATE ALL THIS TERROR AND FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO SO MANY PEOPLE? WE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHOSE LIVES HAVE BEEN RUINED HIM FINANCIALLY. >>BUT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SAY, LOOK, THEY INCURRED THE BILLS, THEY NEED TO PAY THEIR BILLS.>>DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS SHOULD BE PAID FAIRLY, I FOREIGN MINISTERIALLY BELIEVE THAT OFTENTIMES THESE PATIENTS ARE BEING SHAKEN DOWN WITH THE MOST AGGRESSIVE AND PREDATORY PRACTICES WE’VE EVER SEEN IN THE HISTORY OF MEDICINE. >>Reporter: IN A STATEMENT, THE CARLSBAD MEDICAL CENTER CEO TOLD US ABSOLUTELY NO PATIENT PAYS THE FULL PRICE OF OUR SERVICES. WE PROVIDE CHARITY CARE FOR ANYONE WHO QUALLS. FOR THOSE WHO STRUGGLE TO PAY THEIR HOSPITAL BILLS, WE OFFER EXTREMELY LOW PAYMENT PLANS. DONNA EVENTUALLY GOT BOUVEN THOSE DISCOUNTS. HER BILL WAS CUT IN HALF TO A LITTLE OVER $3,000. STILL STEEP SHE SAYS FOR SIMPLE VISIT TO THE FLU.>>IT MAKES ME MAD. IT ANGERS ME YOU WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY NEED MEDICAL CARE. >>DO YOU FEEL LIKE CARLSBAD MEDICAL CENTER IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT THEY ARE THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN.>>BIG TIME. >>OH, DEFINITELY. THEY ARE GOING TO GET EVERY CASE, EVERY INJURY, EVERY ACCIDENT IS GOING TO COME RIGHT HERE. AND I THINK THEY PRAY ON THAT. >>Reporter: AFTER BEING CONTACTED BE I CNN, THE HOSPITAL TOLD US IT HAS A NEW POLICY. THEY’LL STOP SUING PATIENTS WHOSE ENCOME IS BELOW A CERTAIN LEVEL. FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE PATIENT IS SINGLE, THE HOSPITAL WON’T SUE IF THEY EARN LESS THAN $119,000. FOR MANY OTHER PATIENTS, THE LAWSUITS WILL CONTINUE, LEAVING THEM HERE AT THE EDDIE COUNTY COURTHOUSE. >>THIS HOSPITAL HAS A BIG LAW FIRM WORKING FOR IT. DO YOU HAVE LAWYERS WORKING FOR YOU?>>NO.>>NO. >>COULD YOU AFFORD TO HIRE LA YOURSELF TO WORK FOR YOU?>>NO.>>NO. >>Reporter: WITHOUT LEGAL HELP, PATIENTS OFTEN LOSE THESE LAWSUITS FROM CARLSBAD MEDICAL CENTER, PUTTING THEM IN GOOD COMPANY WITH SO MANY OTHERS LIVING IN THIS VALLEY. ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN, CARLSBAD, NEW MEXICO. >>IMPORTANT REPORTING.>>

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  1. Again? CNN the same Jim Sciuto came with the same Russian Spy "extraction" story 2 years agao. When CNN is goin dow, they come with another "FAKE BOMBSHEL" wich NEVER expolde anyway. Because there is no burger there at all. See CIA refutes CNN report that spy was pulled from Russia because of Trump and CIA slams CNN as 'misguided' after report on Russian spy removal

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