Charlamagne & Trevor Noah Ch2: Reparations, US Politics & How to Be Informed | Emerging Hollywood


(hip hop instrumental) – Hollywood is being rebuilt by artists not afraid to disrupt the status quo. Telling fresh stories and
bringing to life characters who until now have been
confined to the margins. This is Emerging Hollywood. So, you understand the whole conversation about reparations now. ‘Cause it’s really just
the acknowledgement that America did something wrong. – Right, and I think the
interesting thing is just framing. You look at Germany, Germany
goes back to Namibians. They’re like eh we gon’ pay. We’re going to pay for what we did. And we’re not paying to pay you off. You know, I’ve seen the talking point that people have gone with. They’re being like black people, you’re just going to get paid off. It’s not about paid off. It’s about somebody out
there acknowledging, hey I put you down and kept you down so that I could build
everything I have today. And as we all understand
with compound interest and with accumulations of wealth,
holding somebody else down and growing what you’ve taken from them can lead you to be in a position where they can never ever catch up to you. There’s never truly equality. So the conversations around reparations rarely have to be in and around that. It’s just studying and looking, hey, is there something
we can do in this country that can truly put black
people in a position where they are equal. Not just equal on the
surface but they are equal. And we’ve realized that
on many levels in America, Black Americans have been held back on so many different levels. Whether it’s getting higher interest rates for not just loans from
banks but also student loans, you leave school with
a higher level of debt for studying the same thing
as a student who is white. How is that equality? And I think those are
some of the conversations that Americans need to have
but it’s been spun again because people have made it seem like (in Southern American accent) hey Dan, you gon’ have to give them $50. (Charlamagne laughs) Hey Petey, you gon’ pay a 100. And that’s not what it’s going to be but I think people have managed to successfully distill it
into this simple talking point that makes it feel like it’s
an us versus them conversation when in fact it’s not. – Nah, it’s simple. America systemically did something to put black people in a bad position, now systemically do something to put them in a good position. – It’s as simple as that. I always ask people, why
wouldn’t you want that as well? I always go, why wouldn’t you want that? Why wouldn’t you want to see
black communities raised up? Why wouldn’t you want it? I don’t understand why you
wouldn’t want to see that. And America has a history of doing that. That’s another thing for me. America has a history of helping people. America has a history of going, hey farmers, we’re going
to give you subsidies, we’re going to help the corn industry. Hey, you know what? All you guys who fought in the war, you come back, we’re going to help people. They didn’t help the
black soldiers as much but what they did was they said if you were a white person who
has fought for this country, we’re going to help you. We’re going to help you buy a house, we’re going to help you go to school. And for a long time that
wasn’t frowned upon in America. It wasn’t seen as a handout,
it was seen as a boost. It was a normal thing. But now it feels like that
once that boost is going towards a certain group of people, now there’s resistance to that idea. This is not a country of handouts, this is where you work hard. It’s like yes, we all work hard but it helps when somebody
doesn’t block the path that you’re trying to work hard towards. – So what’s their answer when
you ask them that though? When you say, “Hey, why
wouldn’t you want that?”, do they pull out their
Klan hoodie (Trevor laughs) this is why I don’t want it. – No, I genuinely think it’s framing. I’ve learned most of American politics is hampered by political branding. It’s brilliant and it’s how
most of the conversations are distilled in this country. A classic example and a simple one is Obamacare versus the Affordable Care Act. They asked Americans do
you support Obamacare? – No. – The numbers were dismal. They said do you support
the Affordable Care Act? The numbers were double. Same thing.
– Same thing. – Different name. Why? ’cause the one sounds
like black medicine that’s why. (Charlamagne laughs) – What’s the role of comedy in politics? – Well, that’s an interesting question. What is the role of comedy in politics? – Especially right now. – I’ve lived in a country where, for many years, comedy wasn’t legal if it was speaking about what
was going in the country. There’s still African countries where you can’t just tell
whatever joke you want. So I think for me the most
important aspect of comedy personally is knowing that you still have the freedom of speech to
say what you want to say about what’s going on and the world. In terms of its importance, I think it changes from person to person. For me, it’s about
giving people a reprieve ’cause people get so stressed about what’s happening in the news, people get stressed out about
what’s happening in politics and I think comedy reminds you of who you’re trying to be,
who you maybe once we’re and that the world is not always ending even though it seems like it may be. – What do you think that
the most effective way to inform people about politics, like people who may not
be informed about politics any other time? They get it from the Late
Night shows it seems like. – Well, I don’t think it’s
the most effective way. I think it has become one
of the more effective ways in America because of
how bad your news is. Do you know what I mean? – Yeah, it’s so much fear mongering, they want something lighter. – Yeah, but what is news in America? It’s opinion panels, boxes of
people shouting at each other. It’s people sitting on
a couch spewing opinions whereas when you look at news
especially around the world like in South Africa what I grew up with, people in Britain, et cetera. The news is a very boring
institution but very informative. So, I grew up watching what was happening all over the world, every night as a kid. I didn’t enjoy it but I
knew and so for me I think maybe a byproduct of American news skewing towards entertainment
has meant that entertainment has started to skew towards news and so that’s why people feel like it’s one of the best
places to be informed. I don’t think it’s the
best way to be informed, I just think right now it’s how people are being best informed. – But you do try to be informative though? – Oh yeah, I think great comedy
is about informing yourself. All of the greats have
given me that advice in different ways, at different times. Everybody from Dick
Gregory to Dave Chapelle, they all go like look at
what’s happening in the world and just tell the truth and then the jokes are
going to come from that. So, as a person I try
and make The Daily Show what I’m talking about to my friends, to my writers, to my people. It’s not like I leave the building and all of a sudden I’m
thinking of other things. It’s everything that’s
going on in my world and I try and condense it
into that 30 minute show. – So what is the most effective
way to be informed nowadays? ‘Cause it’s so much different
news coming at you– – [Trevor] That’s a good question. – Every second of the day. – I’ll be honest with you,
I question everything now. I question everything
and I read everything. Everything, everywhere. So, I will read five different newspapers, I will try and get five
different versions of the story. I try and dig into a thing
over and over and over again ’cause I’ve come to realize that as much as we like to believe that there’s such a thing as objectivity, everyone has some sort of bias. – Yeah, I guess that’s the problem with having so many opinion
based sources, right? – Right, yeah that’s the thing. – ‘Cause everybody’s got some bias. – When it comes to politics, you realize there is no
definitive truth per se. I mean there are certain facts,
there are scientific facts but when it comes to everything else. I mean everyone can
argue chicken or the egg in any argument. So, you have to figure out, I guess, what you base your opinions on, which economists you trust,
which think tanks you trust, et cetera, et cetera, and that’s why I have a
big team that works here with fact checkers, with
writers, with everyone who can come together and
say okay, we agree on this being the most concrete
version of the truth that we’re going to go out with. – Do you get the final say in it? – Yeah, you have to have the final say. At some point, I’ve got
to put my neck on the line and be like yeah, this
is what I want to do ’cause again if I leave
the building, it’s me. I can’t say to you guys tomorrow, if you go Trevor, why did you say that? Well actually Charlamagne–
– One of my writers wrote it. – My writer wrote this. No, that’s why every
single joke that comes out, I either write it with the
writers or I approved the joke. I go that was funny,
I’m going to say that. – What do you say to people
who say The Daily Show can be an echo chamber? – Everything is an echo chamber. I think that’s a term that
people use to try and justify what a group of people are
saying in and amongst themselves. I think for myself, you will
always have an echo chamber because people who watch your show are people who like your show. Do you get what I’m saying? So you’ll always have that. What I think is key for me is to break out of that
bubble that you live in and acknowledge what’s
happening outside of that world. So what I do is I go, let’s
acknowledge moments or things that may make us uncomfortable
or engage in ideas that other people have, that
we may not necessarily discuss amongst ourselves and I think that’s key. So, I don’t just live in a
world where I’m like you agree, we agree, yeah we’re
good, we agree, we agree. No, no, it’s like all right,
we know what we think. That’s why I want to have
Republicans on the show, that’s why I have people
I will not agree with on any policy on the show because I want to engage
with them on an idea and I want to expose them
to my audience and be like yo, I want you to trust
your ideas of the world because if what you believe can change when you meet somebody else then it wasn’t based on anything concrete. Your belief should be strong enough that they can stand up to
the ideas of somebody else. – Have any of them ever changed your mind? When’s the last time that’s happened? – I don’t know if anyone
has changed my mind but I do know people have given
me a different perspective on how to see something. So whether it’s Chris christie
or whether it was Rand Paul. There’s always something I
garner from another human being. I think most human beings are trying to do what they think it’s right
from their point of view. There are obviously people in the world who I think are just evil. There are some human
beings who are just like no I’m trynna destroy things but I think most human beings
in the world are going, no, I’m right and I’m
trying to do what’s right. So, I try and garner even a glimpse of their world from them. It helps me understand how to
formulate a different argument or see them more as a human being and try to engage with them
and get to the same place. – Is there any good way to see
this current administration? Has any of them ever said something to you that says oh I can see why
you support the president? – Is there any good way to
see this administration? I don’t know if there’s a good way to see this administration but one thing I will
say about Donald Trump that I’ve repeatedly said is one thing that people take for
granted with Donald Trump is that he is brilliant
at acknowledging problems. – Really? – He is fantastic at
acknowledging problems. His solutions are trash. (Charlamagne laughs) He’s fantastic though. He doesn’t hide that there is a problem. So he would say, for
instance, no one liked it when he went and said, “Hey
guys, in Belgium and in France, “they’ve got something bubbling up there.” He was like look man, I’ve
noticed that there is conflict between the immigrant
community in these places and that’s going to bubble. People were like Trump
is just talking trash and then all of a sudden
you saw immigrants that were involved in attacks and people like oh we didn’t know this and people we’re like yeah this is a big thing in the community, how did we not know? And I think it’s because
a lot of the time, we choose to ignore things. His solutions are trash though because he’ll say the
same thing in America. He’ll go we have a problem with
immigration, build a wall– – [Charlamagne] Build a wall. – Come on, man, that’s not a solution. What are you going to do
about the Middle East? We’re just going to
bomb the shit out of it. These are not solutions but I
think what he’s good at doing is identifying problems and I think if you understand the problem that he’s identifying you can figure out another solution and speak to those same people. And I think some politicians
have latched onto that now. They’ve started realizing the reason Trump connects with people is because he speaks to
people that they see as real but maybe we can give
them another solution. (hip hop instrumental)

Maurice Vega

100 Responses

  1. Okay. There is a reason you keep using "black" when that is IGNORANT as shit. I don't give a fuck about what happens in "The United States of America."

  2. trevor noah pos from across the pond couldnt make it there ran here and joined the dems and cry about shit has nothing to do with him what a total fake pos …and charla bitch …reparations fuck no no one alive today on all sides has anything to do with that so fuck off with that shit just a money grab ….

  3. Reparations is due : in addition to slavery : there are tons of reason REPARATION is due =
    Look at the men of color [ in ORDER to advance … they must conform to a bald head [ so hair will not be intimidating/ & they appear more powerful because we demand you to wear a bald head ] [ lowering their self esteem & to feel inferior ] … or in jail or going service & to keep a job / wear low cut hair styles ] … the similar to women : flooding / distribution of various chemicals to ruin hair ] [ so they would apoear more BEAUTIFUL ] …
    Illegally incarnation of the so called black men [ destruction of a so called black family and what ever financial resources they have ] ….

  4. wow LIstening to this guy Trevor Noah i just love him already.. he real.. and the accent sexy too

  5. No no no. And you know it too Noah. The reason reparations is resisted is because a large part of the population wants blacks to stay in a lower socioeconomic position. Noah although he pushes the envelope oratorically at times he still works for them and thus is under their control and unable to really call a spade a spade. Else no more Noah, no more show, no more career. Remember half the country wanted to keep slavery during the civil war, half the country voted for a known racist (Trump) today. Not much has changed. Being a black man that has achieved some level of success I feel and see 1st hand the hatred from white people when they see my success. People always want to feel superior when they are lesser and never want to give up their advantages – why would they? Whats in it for them? Frankly I'd feel the same way. It's irritating to me to see an otherwise intelligent person be so disingenuous.

  6. While useful I sometimes find these celebrity discussions frustratingly superficial…..there are huge massive incredible inequalities across the world much of it along racial and gender lines and much of it to do with hegemony, geopolitics and a very forceful type of corporate capitalism….I just wished that these things are even slightly alluded to, especially among famous people of colour…who seem to avoid it all together . The wealth disparity in south Africa is unconscionable as is the imported slavery in big chunks of the middle East as is the mass exploitation of the global south ….

  7. hey TREVOR, why don't you go join JULIUS MALEMA in fighting for equality and equity in SOUTH AFRICA?

    you used to make fun of malema's intellect in your comedy. now you cannot deny that he is very smart and very honest about what is happening in SOUTH AFRICA.

    americans can sort out their own issues by themselves. you are needed in SOUTH AFRICA.

  8. What about all the ppl who been making minimum wage all their life! When the standard of living has been above that for years! We all deserve reparations not just blacks!

  9. Two intelligent Black men, one South African and one South African. There should be more people like that.

  10. Watching this I see the danger of Trevor Noah and television on the whole….. its knowing that he deliberately dumbs down himself , playing the role of lovable buffoon..manipulating and baiting the audience in the process by their desire for feel good whimsical entertainment…
    Anyway…is Charlemagne a midget or Trevor Noah tall?

  11. I got the answers Charlemagne. Check me out and you'll see I have solved the work problem. Trevor you're the man.

  12. You mean like blackwashing white characters? That’s not new, that’s pacifying a certain group with hand me downs.

  13. Noah, how about the history where blacks sold other blacks all over the world.

    Do social programs help the poor, or do they make them dependent? Stop with the lies.

  14. Trevor shouldn't have an opinion on reparations. His ancestors owned slaves and hes not even from this country

  15. Integration was & is about keeping your enemies close so you can better see what they are doing. But black folks, that strategy goes both ways. Today you must use integration to your advantage, until blacktowns (black business towns) are recreated.

  16. Reparations is NOT "acknowledging something is owed". It is compensation for what was destroyed, and paying back what was stolen.

  17. All these ignorant fools on a deadly agenda of destroying emerging black civilization with "victim" and entitlement mentality and pushing socialist ideals.

  18. Why the hell would you call him the god he's a Democrat .and he sure as hell ain't no God that's just not right sorry just rubbed the wrong way

  19. Trevor is the most geneous guy I know, whenever I listen to him I grow! God bless you mfana ka Patricia!

  20. compound interest on reparations? How many poor white people are there? how many White Southerners died in the civil war? how many of them were slave owners? how many Yankee soldiers died fighting to free slaves? what about benefits for them? how many immigrants have come to America after 1865 – and have done well, including Africans and Asians. so many excuses for open border lib-tards who are not satisfied with their own slaves. There will always be poor and underachievers. stop complaining.

  21. Wait? Is that reparations from America or from Great Britain and Spain? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmm… I think the queen of the UK owes us ALL!!!! imo.

  22. #Trevor Howard has got his analysis down of the politicalbranding that puts and keeps Americans divided.

  23. Mitch McConnell benefited from a wealthy lifestyle from slavaery. You can't substitute a half black president whose father was from Kenya and mother from Kansas as a financial benefit to anyone for reparations.

  24. Why nobody is talking about the guy that's trying to give everybody $1000? Thats whats going to help EVERYBODY out honestly. CThaGod (SOMEBODY) pls tell me something I don't know about the Asian guy that's bad. If you can't why not?

  25. Yeah, but they failed to explain the HOW & the WAY reparation would be employed, especially in a society that has refused to acknowledge the existence of WHITE SUPREMACY.

  26. Trevor, where are the true representatives who are knowledgeable concerning "Reparation"? Speakers like Dr. Claud Anderson, Ta-Nehisi Coates, Dr. Boyce Watkins should have been present during this discussion!

  27. How come Charlemagne didn't have this approach to reparations when he asked Kamala Harris about reparations and she told him flat out no reparations for black people on his talk show and he didn't force her as a woman of color to bite that bullet…
    And Charlamagne has no business representing the black diaspora for reparations because he's not qualified he's not a historian he's not an economist did Charlemagne graduate from college and what was his major if he did…
    And he like many black faces who went to Capitol Hill to talk about reparations had no business representing black people because they had no historical documentation no facts and figures to sit before Congress…
    Like dr. Claud Anderson or Yvette Carnell or Antonio Moore who can answer reparation questions without sucking up to any sponsors who may fluence their ratings…
    Just my observation as a black American descendant of slaves

  28. I see Charlemagne as nothing more than a Boule green juice Drinker poured out from a white pitcher….
    Just my observation as a black American descendants of slaves

  29. UD HAVE TO CHANGE THE MINDSET OF WHITES. IF ANY FORM OF THE DEBT OWED TO BLACKS WILL BE GIVEN WHAT ALSO HAS TO BE GIVEN IS THE NATIONAL GUARD WOULD HAVE TO HOLD BACK , ALL THE HISTORIC ANGRY WHITE MOBS THAT WOULD WORK TO DISTROY WHATS BUILT BY BLACKS AND DOSENT INCLUED WHITES.

  30. i am glad he brought up the GERMAN NAMIBIA issue cause , NAMIBIA really made GERMANY rich and what it is

  31. This is a country of hard work. I'm certain our ancestors would have worked the 40 acres and a mule real hard. If they ever got it.

  32. Naturally gifted gift from South Africa to the World –that is Trevor Noah! So so so proud as a fellow compatriot!!!

  33. One of the key things that sets Trevor apart from his peers, is that the man READS! Aaaah!!! In a four-day week of the Daily Show he would have three authors of current bestsellers come to the show as guests on different days, and for each interview he would have completed reading each one of the books from cover to cover and you hear it in the conversation – week in week out. That is the definition of workmanship and success –without a doubt!

  34. whenever I see Noah , as like this ; I just want to sit on his lap , my back turned to his chest , like as a four year old would , as his dad talks "crap" . the only other guy I'd call Dad .

  35. for most the question isn't should their perorations, it is that why wasnt it done a long time ago should have been over 40 years BUT it is a marketing tool from the Democrats to swing votes . give it and take it as it should be but dont sleep on them Dems crafty power .

  36. Holocaust survivor, Jewish, and their families got hundreds of billions from the US. Eventhough the holocaust didn't happen in the US.

  37. Two dudes who never went to university schooled me – a man who completed s PhD!!! 🤦🏾‍♂️ what have I spent my life doing?!

  38. In Kenya we don't even want to be paid . We just want the Royal family and white people to give us back the land they still have possession of. Prince William owns hundreds of thousands of acres here and he says it's "conservation efforts" when the people who kill wild animals in Kenya are white.

    Arundhati Roy was asked about "post-colonial India" and she said, what makes you think it's "post"? We are still being colonised by the British empire and we are tired.

  39. Trevor Noah makes a lot of sense when he wants to, but he's a liberal and biased against TRUMP using the same talking points as the rest. I have no respect for such. Stand erect and speak the truth and stop all the demonic conjectures of the left.

  40. This is mind numbing to listen to.
    2 people that agree that are straw manning their opponents arguments.
    Invite Larry Elder or Thomas Sowell on there to explain why what you are asking for makes no sense what so ever if you put more than 5 minutes of thought into it.

    In your example about countries giving reparations to other countries, its super simple right. That countries treasury just transfers funds to the other country, job done.
    Who exactly will be paying and who exactly will be receiving?
    Should Black millionaires be getting money? Should white homeless people be paying?
    The reason why it makes no sense is that its impossible to actually identify exactly what was gained by whom and allocate to exactly who should receive it.

    You critics are not saying that any of your points about compound interest are incorrect, it's just that its too far gone and too complicated to enact without taking money from someone that didn't benefit or giving money to someone that hasn't suffered. So in that case you're advocating for stealing from x number of innocent people and to give to some undeserving people.
    Committing a crime to right a previous crime is not the answer

  41. Am a black woman, if you guys are best inform & intelligent, Instead of sitting down running your mouth, 2020 is open for all. Also, it's not too late to join the police or do something to bring change. OR you want to be the only set of people with money, go to a community, do a little charity, have a good name on the hollywood walk of shame, that's exactly the Dems. O Please when next are you visiting to give us some fish? But Reps says, I don't want to bring you fish every time I visit, here is the net, this is how you use it, now, go fishing to feed your family. I will choose the Reps period! Dems & blacks remember, the fake news will always use celebs & women to boost their business, they are not interested in the masses and that should stop.

  42. Wow, I just bumped into this but very interesting, informative….different. I love this! Got me really perked up and thinking.

  43. 2 millionaires talking about poor people. Your loans are higher because your credit sucks. Fix the men leaving kids behijd first numb nuts

  44. MLK stated "i dont want reperations. Ive seen what your welfare has done to my people. "

    Best way to keep a race down is to make them dependant.

  45. Trevor lied a little bit in this video because he bought the line about Michael Jackson being a pedophile hook, line, and sinker. I saw no evidence that he read multiple sources around that topic because anyone who did would understand those allegations were a complete farce. I still like the guy though. He likely had no choice because the corporate media masters were only interested in perpetuating the lie against MJ for some nefarious reason of their own. Likely to cover up real allegations of their powerful friends in media and Hollywood in general.

  46. What Trevor is actually saying is what Donald Trump says fake news.
    It's just 10 mins with everyone screaming at each other laughing and playing around.

    Americans don't have a really basis of fact.

    The view, Wendy , and other outlet of gubbrish.

  47. And if you can't see how the democratic party has purposely kept black people down for political power,you dont understand american politics at all.

  48. I love these two.I really do .I fell in love with Trevor's grandma too.Two intelligent black men so happy to see they have their platforms.

  49. it's going to be very hard to find somene to replace trevor if he steps down from TDS. In s.a we say his "isqengqe"🇿🇦 smart guy🙌🏾

  50. America will be way better for everyone when Black people are finally compensated for centuries of free labor.

  51. Problem is, the people who committed these actions aren’t the ones paying for it. It’s by Americans that are not racist for the faults of a handful that are not even 1% of the US population, that will pay the price.

  52. They never will do it willingly. Simply because look at us with nothing we are great. With something the 1 percent fear they will get swallowed up by us.

  53. Kind of funny Trevor didn't pop this dumb shit in AFRICA. You come to America and reaping some of the benefits and now you got a lot to say. And Charlamagne, try using your platform to inform the Black community that the Black politicians that's been in office since you were in grammar school (and still being voted in) has done nothing for them. Why keep this issue under the rug?

  54. REPERATIONS? Where was that word in the 2 terms your (so called) BLACK President was in office? Y'all got to come better than that. Bigger issues than that BULLSHIT. You know it and I know it.

  55. So now compensation for blacks is a hand out? Charlemagne makes it a point to say it's not about payment and that's sad.

  56. Made amends to the people we had harmed please look into Marianne Williamson she is running for president and has much to say about this subject

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